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My 3 year old dachshund miniture short haired tied this weekend with my 14 month miniture short dog not related what should I exspect to in the next few weeks i.e.
Moods,signs,health,recommended foods etc please no lectures this was planned with all puppy(s) going to family
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Originally Posted by russianeddie
Okay, no lecture. Just a comment. What is going to happen to the mixed puppy's puppies? That's the old "I bred my GSD with a rott and everyone wants the puppies" argument. Unfortunately, NOBODY wants the second generation which is even more mixed because unless a dog gets really lucky, nobody cares.
Take it away experts!
As far as what you should expect? Google "dog pregnancy" and you'll have all your answers.
If it was planned then you should know what to expect because you already did your research before deciding to breed your dog. That's what a good pet owner/breeder does, the research, then they allow their dog to breed, not the other way around.
I'm sure that you did have your dog and the male genetically tested to make sure that they are good breeding stock. I'm sure you also made sure that your female is healthy and so is the male. Of course you researched what could happen during pregnancy and the risks involved. So, after all of that why didn't you research what would be required during pregnancy? It's time to call a breeder or your vet and get that information.
If you didn't do any of the above then I hate to tell you this, but you've put the life of your dog and her puppies in jeopardy. This is known as backyard breeding, and it's an epidemic. We get a lot of people coming to this site asking for help after their dog got pregnant, well, it's too late now. If you want my advice, I would never breed a dog unless you are an experienced breeder, having homes for the puppies isn't what you need to consider, the health and welfare of your dog is the most important thing.
Now that you've gone this far you'll have to go further and get professional help in order to get the best possible outcome. Talk to your vet or a breeder, that's your best bet.
I won't lecture, but I just want to say one thing. You do realize that the pet population is already out of control, right?
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Originally Posted by Altenweg
I'm beginning to really LOVE the posts that start, "Don't answer this unless ...," "Don't lecture me but ..." and "I need this right away."
I just can't believe that there are still so many people out there that don't know that millions upon millions of dogs have to die everyday because someone wants to breed more of them for "family members." They don't realise that it really doesn't end there! People think we are just trying to judge them, or be mean! Well if I need to be honest, sometimes I do! It's reckless, cruel, and abusive, to keep on breeding dogs with little or no knowledge, when other dogs have to die because they thought their dog was "sooo cute!!" Inexperienced backyard breeders should be subject to punishment under law, for overpopulation and cruelty to animals. All breeders should be reqired to have a license to breed, and have the knowledge, means, and conditions in order to be a breeder, in order to preserve the bloodlines only.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
Russianeddie, please click on this link. It may explain a little of what you may not realise.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/dogs/p...rs-285842.html
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Originally Posted by starbuck8
I'm beginning to think maybe it's the lucky ones that simply die - it's the other ones, dumped, starved, tortured, that keep me awake at night.
And I love the "I have people who are going to take the puppies" line. Of course, irresponsible people have irresponsible friends so those puppies (which are so cute and, after all, are the puppies of a friend's dog) have more puppies which aren't puppies of a friend's dog and so it goes - and so it goes.
It's a never ending cycle and only the dogs suffer, the "breeders" (and I use the term loosely) make money and everyone, but the dogs, are happy.
I really think that every person who wants to breed their dog should spend a week at a shelter, should have to hold a dog while it's put to sleep because there aren't enough homes, enough people out there to adopt a dog in need.
Many of the dogs in shelters are puppies or 1 and 2 year old dogs, they were bought by people who passed the pet store window and couldn't resist that cute little puppy. Once they brought it home it peed everywhere, chewed up everything, wouldn't stop crying, and all of a sudden it's not a cute puppy anymore but a destructive dog. Oh well, just bring it to the shelter and walk away. In the meantime, instead of getting their dog spayed or neutered, some irresponsible pet owner decides that their dog is so darn cute that they just have to have one litter, after all, each dog should have a litter. The only thing that these people are doing is keeping the shelters full to the point of overflowing. Every time a litter of pups is born, shelter dogs are killed because there simply isn't room.
It's irresponsible, cruel, inhumane and downright foolish. I can't be nice to these people anymore, why should I, they're not being nice to their dog. :(
Okay, clunk, I'm off my soap box.
But, before I jump off, here's a few pictures. These are all dogs that are in the shelter in my town, take a close look, most of them will be put to sleep.
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2 month old Siberian husky/golden retriever
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4 month old shepard mix
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1 year old lab mix
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4 year old lab
Right now there are 32 dogs in the Edmonton humane society, that's in the shelter itself, many more dogs are in foster homes waiting to find their forever home.
So, breed, but look into the eyes of the pictures I've posted, because one of them will suffer because your dog had a litter.
Amen! (Love the first puppy,)
Wait until the fun of Christmas gift puppies wears off.
I like all of them Judy, that's why I don't go to the shelter just to visit, and why I don't volunteer there, I already have 3 dogs, in order to take another I'd have to move!
If you've ever been to a shelter, well, it's the most depressing place on earth. I always go into the dog area, I can't help myself. I go because I realize that most of them have little human contact. A pat on the head, a "good dog" that's all I can do right now. There are those that run up to great you, there are those that have given up and don't even look up when you walk by. You can usually guess which ones will be put to sleep soon.
Each of those dogs is a good dog, they just had the misfortune of finding a bad owner. I really think everyone should be forced to spend time in a shelter, the world would be a better place!
And again, clunk, off my soap box. Who am I kidding? ;)
I would love to volunteer at a shelter but I would probably come home crying every time one of the little guys gets put to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
That's why I don't do it Zoe, it's way too hard, and I'd end up bringing them all home, I'm already over the allowed limit. Shhh, don't tell anyone. ;)
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Originally Posted by ZoeMarie
I volunteered for years for a local rescue. That was heart breaking because the person who really KNEW dogs would go to the shelters and point out the ones she thought we could re-home... and then leave the rest.
I work a lot of dog bite cases, have to go to the City Shelter to pick up the dog bite reports and oftentimes the local SPCA is there, picking who will live and who will die.
My smaller dog (compared to my 130# dog) was scheduled to be euthanized the following morning and we pulled strings - a lot of strings - to move her off death row because they were closing and wouldn't or couldn't complete the paperwork that night and they don't put dogs in those circumstances on "hold."
Of course, once my husband (who was a very big, soft spoken, authoritative kind of guy) announced that he would be spending the night in their waiting room they relaxed their "inflexible" policy.
The whole business is incredibly sad.
You guys have done some really good work on this thread. I commend you all, really.
But it is one of the most depressing, heartbreaking, things I've read in I don't know how long.
I don't know whether to cry or hit something. I need to find a backyard breeder around here that I can go punch out.
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Originally Posted by Akoue
Call me. I'll go with you.
I'm in NY too right now. If you know of anyone, I'll drive and we'll explain things to him/her... You know, with a bat.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
(Okay, I stole that from Woody Allen.)
It is sad Judy, and these poor dogs are the only ones that suffer. If anyone can walk into a shelter, go to the dog area and leave without shedding a tear, well, I don't want to meet that person, ever!
Our Jasper was still a puppy when we got him, already 4 months old and already so abused that he wouldn't even come to a human being, not even for a pet or a cuddle. They had to put a leash on him in order for us to get to know him, even then he couldn't be persuaded to come close, he stayed as far away as the leash allowed. Hubby was worried about bringing him home, after all, we had a 3 year old child, a 6 year old dog and a baby on the way, what if we couldn't get him to trust us, what if he became mean? He's a collie cross, not a small dog, if he wanted to he could tear us apart.
Thankfully our love and patience worked, he's such a sweetheart, a kind gentle dog, just like our Indy. I know that his sisters where euthanized, no one wanted to take a chance on them, and we weren't allowed to adopt another because 2 is the limit they'll allow (we already had Indy, so it was a no go).
A lot of people left with cute little happy go lucky pups that day, we left with a scared, troubled, abused little boy, and I wouldn't change a thing. I love that little stinker so very much.
If only people would stop their backyard breeding, if only people would stop buying puppies from these people and pet stores. Imagine it? We might actually have empty shelters! Oh, that's a dream I really wish could become a reality.
LMAO! I plan to use this line in future. (No, I won't be giving you credit. It's too good not to claim as my own.)Quote:
Count me in, I have a bat and a temper! :)
Judy, had to spread the rep, but can I catch a ride with you? Do you mind coming to Canada? We have puppy mills here too, maybe we can make a few stops here and then meet with Akoue. What do you think?
Ha, I'll just post the link in my sig, then they'll all know it's mine. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Akoue
I have to spread some rep again, but I think that as your signature is about all you'd ever need to say. It's even better than "Shut up and do what Altenweg says"--which I'm still considering for my signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
I change my sig a lot, I might just have to include that next time. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Akoue
I like to keep the sigs funny, lighthearted, something that brings a smile to your face. Me with a bat isn't funny, unless I'm playing baseball (I'm a klutz, it's not pretty!).
Maybe I should just say "Do what I say, really, do it, I dare you, double dog dare you!" Then they'll do it just to prove they can. :)
I asked a question and all I get is a bunch of very sad people giving the same reply why is it called ask me
Go get yourselves a life do you think you are a elite breed and no one else can play how do you think others learn so if you don't want to share your knowledge which I doubt you have go away
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Originally Posted by russianeddie
Then why don't you post your stastics about homeless dogs, the number of dogs euthanized every year if "our" stastics are wrong. "We" are always open to learning.
Nobody is going away. And yourselves is not a word.
If we are "sad" people, it is only because people like you show their ignorance by being yet another backyard breeder without a shred of experience, so that other dogs must die. If you are going to be angry with anyone, be angry with yourself for not knowing what you are doing before you let your pets breed recklessly. Do we have knowledge? Yes, we do! You are angry with us because we have the knowledge that you lack. You sound like a child throwing a tantrum when you told us to "go away." Educate yourself will you?! And at the same time please learn how to form a sentence and how to use punctuation and spelling correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by russianeddie
And for benefit of those of us who are making notes, when Russianeddie posts his factual info, here is what the Humane Society of the US has published and what he will be proving is wrong:
"Number of cats and dogs entering shelters each year:
6-8 million (HSUS estimate)
Number of cats and dogs euthanized by shelters each year:
3-4 million (HSUS estimate)
Number of cats and dogs adopted from shelters each year:
3-4 million (HSUS estimate)
Number of cats and dogs reclaimed by owners from shelters each year:
Between 600,000 and 750,000—30 percent of dogs and 2-5 percent of cats entering shelters (HSUS estimate)
Number of animal shelters in the United States:
Between 4,000 and 6,000 (HSUS estimate)
Percentage of dogs in shelters who are purebred:
25 percent (HSUS estimate)"
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Originally Posted by russianeddie
Yes, it's called askmehelpdesk, we are here to help people with problems, but not problem people. We do this in our free time with no pay, in other words, because we care enough to be here.
You didn't do your research, you just decided one day to breed your dog and now you have no clue what to do next. If I thought that you'd listen then I'd give you the info you requested (info that is easily obtained if you just do a little work) but my advice at the end, which is to spay your dog, would fall on deaf ears, it always does.
Do you realize how many backyard breeders come to this site asking questions? Too many, and they're only a tiny percentage of the people out there doing this.
I won't share my knowledge with you because what you are doing is wrong. If you had come here stating that you are thinking of breeding, want all the info before you do it so that your dog and her puppies have the best care possible, then I would give you the info and strongly urge you not to breed. But, you've already gone and done it, too late to ask for info now, you're on your own.
I've been thinking about this post and those haunting faces that "Alty" posted and the really sad part about his whole thread is that the OP KNEW there was a problem breeding this dog (started out with a disclaimer about no lectures), posted anyway, was able to find the AMHD site - but couldn't find information on breeding/pregnancy if for no reason other than to protect his own dog's health and welfare BEFORE he bred the dog.
I see all these unwanted puppies because people want to witness (or, worse yet, want their kids to witness) the "miracle" of birth. Well, they and their kids should go to their local shelter and witness the "miracle" of euthanasia - if the animal is lucky, as I've stated before.
I don't know if there is an answer and, if so, what is is. Certainly education isn't working. Lecturing doesn't work. I don't know.
Judy, I often feel like everything I say is falling on deaf ears here in the pet forum. Just today we got another question about dachshund breeding. Obviously these people aren't doing their research.
It takes more to breeding a dog then just getting a male and female together. If you really care about the breed, the dog, and all the other dogs out there, you have to do your research and you have to do your homework.
Why should we answer these questions? The answers are out there, you just have to do a bit of work. That's what really upsets me. They come here, asking these questions, expect us to give them the answers and then go about their merry little way breeding these dogs with absolutely no idea what they are doing and no desire to learn.
Yes, I can be mean to these people, but am I supposed to come here all cheery, a big fake smile on my face and tell them that I think it's great that all these dogs are dying because they want a liter of puppies? Not in this lifetime! :(
It's so frustrating, but I don't see a way to end it. I wish that we could get through. I really think the only way it will sink in is to force everyone to spay or neuter their pets, and to force everyone to volunteer at a shelter before they're even allowed to get a pet.
Is there a way? Can we find it, or do we keep trying to do what we're already doing, even though it's not working?
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Originally Posted by Altenweg
We keep doing what we're doing just so we can know we did our best and can sleep at night. You chip away a little at a time and maybe one little tiny shred gets through. And that's what makes it worth it.
You can't make people love you; you can't make people stop smoking; apparently you can't make people stop breeding their dogs irresponsibly.
And what's the saying? If you don't stand up for something no one will stand up for nothing.
It's just so frustrating. Why can't these people see that what they are doing is wrong? Why can't they read what we're writing with an open mind and realize that we only want what's best for their dog and all the other dogs in the world.
I just don't understand how someone who claims to love dogs, claims to love their dog, could do this. I can't wrap my brain around it, because it's unthinkable.
If I could force these people to listen, wow, would I ever do it in a hearbeat, sadly they can log off anytime and go back to doing whatever they want, regardless of the consequences.
Obviously they must know, deep down, that what they are doing is wrong, most of them write in their question "please don't lecture me", why would we unless you are doing something bad?
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Originally Posted by Altenweg
From the heart - you know, the frustration goes deeper than that. I have gone back and forth on one of the legal boards with someone who simply doesn't want to listen to me or anybody else. (It's been pulled now so it's all moot.) At any rate, I woke up this AM to a PM saying, pretty much, "Don't read this because it will only upset you." So, of course, I "ran" right over and read it.
It was a pretty bad personal attack on me, calling me "blondie," the old "You just THINK you're Judge Judy," attacks on my character, attacks on my education, the "I wouldn't hire you to clean up after my dogs," the "what you need is a REAL man" (and just to be nasty, like this guy would know what a real man is) line, every third word an obscenity. At first I was pretty much, "Wow. How can one person have so much venom stored up."
And then the very next thread contained a thank you.
You can only do what you can do. If people are going to go off, they're going to go off. With a few exceptions they're always One Hit Wonders (as I call them) anyway. The people who argue - and I realize the OP here has gone away - eventually show their true colors.
So I think you/we keep chipping away knowing that out there if we help ONE person you/we did a good job.
So don't you even THINK about calling it quits!
Group hug, group hug.
Big group hug.
No, I'm not going to quit, I just wish that there were better odds that we'll get through to these people.
I realize that we're invisible people in many ways, and that the people who come here for advice don't really know us or what we believe, or even why we believe. I just wish that they'd listen with an open mind, maybe then they'd see the logic of what we're saying, and not just the anger.
Judy dear, I know who you are, what you stand for, your heart always comes shining through, so, don't let words get you down, because for every person that writes bad things, there are 1000 that write good things. Sadly it's usually the bad that sticks in our minds.
I guess we just keep on keeping on and hope for the best. It's hard for me to be nice on these types of threads because of the sheer number of them and the lack of progress. I keep thinking that there has to be a way to stop all of this, I just can't find it. It's like a disease, and there isn't a cure. :(
Big hug, huge group hug! :)
No, we can't force the people that are full of ignorance when it comes to this. They think if they don't have to see the consequences of their actions, that it just musn't exist! They will argue with you that it's just ONE litter! Well the problem is, it is NOT just ONE LITTER! It is HUNDREDS of litters from that ONE litter!
All we can do is keep on trying to do what we're doing. Maybe one person will stop and think! We can also encourage people to BOYCOTT the pet stores like PETLAND, and others like it. If people stop buying things from these pet stores that sell puppies from puppymills and backyard breeders, the demand for more orders from the brokers to the puppymills will decrease. We can also encourage people to stop buying from adds in the paper, or from that friend of a friend who has puppies for sale. As Judy said in her data from the HSUS (which for anyone that doesn't have a clue what that is, it's stands for The Humane Society of the United States) 10% of the millions of dogs in shelters are PUREBRED! Nobody can say to me, but I want a purebred "so and so," and they don't have those in shelters. Oh hell yes they DO! You just didn't look.
And for that matter, I want a mercedes! Does it mean I'm going to get one? Well, I probably could if I went to a backyard mechanic, and paid him a ridiculous fee for something he says looks like a mercedes! Would I trust this guy just because he said it's one, and it's all bright shiny and new? I don't think so! I think I would go to a reputable car company and get my money's worth! But then I find out that there is a place where they have got an array of brand name cars! I get to choose my color, pick the amount of horse power that suits me, and find out if there are any problems under the hood. I could likely even find one that doesn't leak fluid all over my driveway!
Do I get a little nasty with the people that just don't get it? You bet I do! I try to make them see that what they are doing is being an accessory to murder, to put it very bluntly. It make me mad as hell! Some of the people doing this, are some of the same people that sat and cried their eyes out when Lassie was hurt, when Old Yeller died, or even when Bambi's mother was shot. They cry when they see it in movies! But this isn't a MOVIE! This is REAL LIFE. People need to educate themselves and try and be part of the solution, not part of the PROBLEM!
I really think we need to start a thread with more detail about backyard breeding, puppy mills, shelters etc. I know you started one Starby, and maybe we should be talking about all of this on that thread because we're kind of higjacking this one (oops).
Maybe we should be doing more research posting more statistics on your thread Starby and hopefully, hopefully, we can post the link to that thread the next time a backyard breeder comes on and they'll get it, they'll see the light.
What do you girls think?
Starby, can you post the link?
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Originally Posted by Altenweg
Absolutely, enough highjacking this link. I was thinking a new one called, "Thinking about breeding your dog?" And then things could be cross posted -
My concern is that people may not want to sort through a lot of older posts but might get into things from the beginning.
Excellent idea!
Let me know what you need researched and we'll all work together gathering info and posting.
And maybe some "true life" stories - we all seem to have rescue dogs or special needs dogs or we have in the past. Excellent.
Now if I could only figure out how to post photos.
Judy, I'll PM you with step by step instructions. They didn't work for Starby, but Startypants was posting pics in minutes after I gave her the instructions. ;)Quote:
Now if I could only figure out how to post photos.
Sorry Starby, love you! :)
I can't remember you sending me step by step instructions! Did I miss this, or has my memory ran away again? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
Didn't I? Do you want me to? I'm sure I did. Actually, no, I didn't send it in writing, I tried instructing you over the phone, I remember because my head hurt afterwards. ;)
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