What counties ban Pit Bulls in the State of Florida? Thanks for answering.:)
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What counties ban Pit Bulls in the State of Florida? Thanks for answering.:)
Miami-Dade County for sure, I don't know if there are any others.
I am going to refer you to this blog about pit bulls and Florida: http://www.city-data.com/forum/flori...l-pitbull.html
Contributors may some good points about checking with your homeowners insurance - some apparently do not insure if the owners have pit bulls.
See this about banning: Pit Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I know the city of Tamarac (in Broward) as several others requires the dog be registered and insured for $1 million. You can check on your county and city offices website.
I don't believe Miami still bans Pits and I'm happy about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKaeTrue
These breed bans really bother me, but proper tracking of incidents and the relative ratio of Pit Bulls owns, vs attacks should show that it's only a small problem, not directly tied to the breed itself, but to bad owners in general. There should be laws, but not restriction on the breed because, like a lot of us out there, my sweet pit bull is the nicest dog - better than my two chihuahuas and NOT NEARLY as mean. They're all great though : )
There's a cute article on My.Arfie.com about sweet pit bulls - check it out PIT BULLS ARE SWEET AND SMART - my.Arfie
Not a bad site if you like social stuff
This is one of my absolute favorite sites that I like the bring up on these topics.
Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull
Often dogs responsible for attacks are misidentified as pitt bulls. I'm not saying that they are not responsible part of the time, but not every time the breed is accused either. Can you find the pitt bull in one try? It's a lot harder then you may think.
It hs a lot to do with training and breeding. I do not believe any innocent creature should be held accountable for what they have not done. Far too many gentle, sweet pitt bulls suffer for crimes they have not committed. Bans go up and who abides them? The illegal dog fighters? I don't think so. They aren't going to jut turn over or get rid of their money makers any more then they do drugs because they are illegal. It's the family pets that suffer the most.
Can I just ask you why you want a pitbull?
Sorry if it's personal, I'm just always curious when someone is desperate to get a fighting breed.
If you do your research, you will find they are actually excellent family pets. Because of their fighting nature, it was bred into them to be non-human aggressive, and bite inhibition was a large part of how they were trained. Their masters would need to be able to get into the fighting ring and get their dog and not worry about being bitten, no matter how hurt or distressed the dog was. Man-biters were culled from the general population.Quote:
Originally Posted by shazamataz
When raised properly (like any dog), they are actually excellent pets. It's unfortunate that they have a stigma due to the type of people that get them for their aggressive appearance.
I just find it unfortunate that 90% of dog attacks are by pit bulls or pit bull mixes.
I've had this argument before so I'm not getting into it.
That statistic is fairly incorrect. There is also a lot more behind the attacks besides just breed. Look into the majority of them and see the background - who the owners are, how the dog was trained? You will see many similarities with most of the dog attacks - even ones with dogs such as labs, or other 'friendly' breeds.
It just bothers me, seeing as a large amount of the dogs I work with on a regular basis are Pits, and I prefer working with them over other breeds due to their nature.
When I was younger a friend of mine owned a pitbul, it was trained well and treated well... a *sweet* dog.
It jumped the fence and attacked a 8 year old boy on the street for no reason.
It's only my opinion but I don't like the breed.
To play devils advocate, I was attacked by a standard poodle at work last week for no reason. Well trained, never had issues.
Just sayin'.
Anyway, we'll agree to disagree. :)
No worries Sariss, hope you are OK?
Everyone's opinion is different :)
Thankfully he was on a leash and I got nothing more than a puncture on my hand. :)
Good to hear it wasn't too bad, still not a nice thing to have happen though :(
When I was young I was attacked by a Saint Bernard and then 3 years ago my brothers Dog (a Dalmatian in the woods) almost ripped my face off. He was on a chain and it was inches.
I have know 2 Pit Bulls (maybe Mix) that were wonderful dogs, but I also knew the owners (one owner was about 75 years old) I have also called the police on other Pits that have attempted to jump a 8 foot fence when I am walking my dogs. (and reported a chain hanging from a tree, which I'm sure was to "Train" the poor dog.)
The thing that worries me the most is that their jaws lock and there is no release. (I did hear that you can stick you finger or an object up their butt and they will release (I'm wondering if this is true?)
Either way... I will not walk my dogs alone, because I am only one person and there are not that many pick up trucks parked on the street that I can throw them into the back of .
Kind of got off the subject there, sorry.
They scare me too, but only because of the owners.
That's awful Dahlia :( Yeah I always avoid certain streets or houses because I know the dogs there are viscious, I swear some of them are going to clear the fence one day...
I've never heard of the butt thing... could be true!
That's why I asked their reasons behind wanting one :)
The problem with a Pit Bull attack is that once it crosses into the red zone and attacks, its going to be very hard to stop the attack. It would not take much of an attack for a Pit to kill or seriously injure a small child or even an adult if that was the object of the attack. Is it worth risking? I don't think so but I also don't believe in banning a dog just because it is a certain breed, or killing it because it is a certain breed. I rescued my bully from my brother who just wanted to breed her. I talked him into letting me get her fixed and taking over her care and she is a really great dog. She is so sweet and fun and playful. Very friendly dog too. She loves everyone. I think most dangerous Pits Bulls are the result of bad training.
I don't believe in putting an animal down because it has attacked someone, I believe the animal needs to possibly be rehomed and have better supervision and training.
We don't put down people because they are mentally unstable or abusive. But we do place them in a safe location away from things they can cause harm too.
It would be nice if there were a place where animals could go and not be put down. We have wild animal places why not for dogs?
Just to throw it in their - the jaw lock thing on Pitbulls is a total myth.
Nope, it's actually true :)
I wasn't sure if it was fact or fiction, I was believed it was fact as well and here's what I came up with:
According to Dr. I. Brisbin, a senior researcher with the Savannah River Ecology Laboratory, University of South Carolina, Pit Bulls do not have a "locking jaw" mechanism:[38]
“ The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of Pit Bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different from that of any breed of dog.
There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of 'locking mechanism' unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier.
I found many other links that support this.
RULING: MYTH
Fair enough, I've always been told it was true :)
Yeah, so have I and I've been around countless pitts. They are one of the most popular breeds around here. Almost every single one I have met has been a sweetheart. I always thought it was just fact, just goes to show I don't know everything either, and I am a huge supporter of the breed.
I won't deny there are some nice, sweet pitts out there, I'm just saying that so many generations of being bred to be aggressive is not something that can be easily undone.
They were originally bred to be fighting dogs as everyone knows... How do you think they became such a popular fighting breed?
The most aggressive dogs that won fights were bred to more aggressive dogs and the cycle continued...
It was done for many many many generations and some traits are still out there even if the dog does seem "sweet"
I will agree to disagree about pitts and stay out of this thread :)
I agree on that count. Bad breeding is a problem. There are still "game" bred dogs out there in abundance. Only one or two puppies in the litters are the right material for the fighters so the rest are often pawned out cheaply to unsuspecting buyers who don't have enough sense to get a dog from a reputable breeder or to check the temperament of the parents.Quote:
I won't deny there are some nice, sweet pitts out there, I'm just saying that so many generations of being bred to be aggressive is not something that can be easily undone.
As far as bans go I do not think they should be banned by breed alone. A license to own and temperament tests, sure.
A ban on the breeding and selling of them in a certain area, great idea!
Just saying no pitt bulls allowed doesn't help the real problem, just puts a band aid on it.
Like I said before, do you think dog fighters are going to give up their money making fighting dogs for a little ban? Hell no. no more then they will give up their illegal drugs or other affairs. That just means the family pets have to pay the price and there will be less pitts, yes. Less dangerous ones, no.
Education, stopping the poor breeding and cracking down on dog fighting more heavily are the keys to the solution.
Putting a ban on it is more like ignoring it and hoping it fixes iteslf.
I do agree with that Silver...
Mostly I'm just glad someone actually understood what I was trying to say! I've argued this quite a few times and you are the first one to get me lol :)
Temperament tests aren't always accurate at a young age.
Licenses to breed need to be enforced a lot more and there needs to be an active program to try to breed the more good natured dogs so they can lose their bad reputation.
I agree. There needs to be a system, not just a write off ban. Having a better system will get you a lot farther then bans. The responsible pet owners with the sweet pitt bulls will most assuredly comply. The ones that don't are more like to be the dogs you need to worry about. I have talked with people who loved their dogs so much they picked up and moved. Surely a license is cheaper then moving.
In banned areas if they find out you have a pitt bull they will likely say you have X amount of time to get rid of the dog. Well if they can do that then why not say you have x amount of time to get a license?
On top of that, what if the dog was dangerous? So it gets shuffled off onto another area for them to deal with it. Someone is going to have to face the problem soon instead of just blacking it off and going lalalalala to the overall picture. In a way the cities are just as responsible for the attacks as the owners because even though the issue is well known no one has the initiative to actually address it.
You're question annoys me.I see you have a pic of a poodle,did u know they were bred to hunt and retrieve ducks?? If you would research all breeds you would be surprised as to how many were bred for fighting or hunting.Please don't be one of those people whom judge the poor dog.I LOVE MY PIT BULL.AS does anyone whom meets him.Quote:
Originally Posted by shazamataz
This thread is old anyway...
It all depends on who raises the dog. But I think someone should have to meet a large amount of one breed to have an opinion so accusatory as many people do of a breed (pitbull) that they've rarely met in person.
When I worked in the city, about 75% of our client base at the Animal Hospital was pitbulls. So, I would see literally 10-15 a day, every day for a year and a half.
I know this is old, but I missed the end of this thread and wanted to point something out...
You are correct. But, if you research more, how they were around people was also selectively bred. They bred for gameness first, but second they bred for how they were with people. A dog who bit their handler (or anyone for that matter) in the pit was immediately removed from the breeding stock and usually shot on the spot, as aggression towards people was a highly undesirable trait in the breed, and still is. During the days of pitfighting, pitbulls were the all-american family dog. That is - until they got into the wrong hands. Dog fighting done illegally now is not regulated as much as it used to be, and the 'handlers' now don't care about anything but how good they can fight - manbiters or not. That would never fly back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by shazamataz
I have researched into pitt bulls ;)
Yes they are not people aggressive, once a fight was over and the winning dog was still attacking the now 'defeated' dead dog the handler could enter the ring in complete saftely as the dog would not turn on its owner.
My point was about dog aggression.
Retrieving and fighting are completely different subjects.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdcummings2000
My question still stands though.
I would ask the same thing to someone desperately wanting an Akita.
I would rather "annoy" someone than risk another dog fighting ring starting up.
Well then. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by shazamataz
Yeah I don't think I'd trust a Pitbull alone with another dog, that's just asking for trouble. Same for any fighting breed though.
Yeah, I totally agree with you about them being fine with people, it's just unfortunate that the 'dog fighters' are caring less and less about the overall temperament like you said, it's all about aggression these days, whether it be human or another dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sariss
Generally speaking though they are only dog aggressive and even then not all of them are, you just have to be careful who you buy a dog from.
I don't want to start another argument like I did last time this subject came up haha :), I have my opinions which are based on what I have researched, other people disagree and have come to different conclusions which is fine, but it isn't going to change mine ;)
I'll just leave this open for a little bit to see if there is any other input before I close it.
Don't take it as a shot at you, but you diiiiiiiid think they had locking jaws...
Haha yes I know, I was wrong on that one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sariss
Pretty much everyone I know has told me that they do!
We don't have Pitt Bulls here so I don't have any first hand experience with them.
Yeah, sure. Pit Bulls are evil.
10 years ago Rottweilers were evil.
20 years ago Chow Chows were evil.
30 years ago German Shepherds were evil.
40 years ago Dobermans were evil.
Tomorrow, maybe Parrots are evil.
Get with it. PT Barnum said it first: "Never underestimate the power of HUMAN stupidity."
I never said they were evil :)
Just said that you have to be careful who you buy one from because they can have a 'mean streak' with other dogs if you buy from a bad breeder who does not give a rats about temperament.
Buy from a reputable breeder who has taken the tme and effort to only breed dogs with good temperaments and you should have no problem at all.
I still think German Shepherds are evil :p
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