i would just like to add some things to the responses you received on your last post.
we don’t have enough information to know if you’re a backyard breeder or not. here are some questions that all responsible breeders would be able to answer. how did you choose who should be the mother and the father of your pups? what genetic comparisons did you do before deciding whether or not it was a good idea to breed from these two particular dogs? what genetic testing did you have done to make sure that you weren't carrying on any preventable medical issues through their heritage (preventable meaning that if they are carriers of certain genetic defects that they wouldn't have been bred from)? do the mother and the sire have papers? were the puppies granted papers? what breed club has you listed as a reputable breeder?
I hope that the following information will help you to realise that I am not a backyard breeder.
If you look below where it details a setter party 2008, the judge was a Mr Colin Waddell. He is a well known setter judge and if you go to
Irish Setters Uk & Ireland Website you will see that this chap, Mr Colin Waddell deals with the advertising of irish setter pups produced by reputable breeders. His e mail address is
[email protected] and his phone number is (England) 01206 256400. He will confirm for you that A) He is extremely fussy about whose puppies he will advertise and B) He advertised my puppies for me this time last year. I had to be vouched for and introduced by someone he knows before he would agree to put them on his site as he did not know me. This person was Miss Jilly Turner, my sires breeder and a friend and mentor. Her web site is
Dazycutter Irish Setters - A Bravenet.com Hosted Site. If you go to her main page, you will see pictures of my Jess with her babies and their Dad too. Their fathers pedigree is on the tab at the top. Their mothers grandsire is a very famous setter called Starchelle Chicago Bear who was the supreme champion of crufts in 1995. I am happy to private message you my real name in order for you to speak about me to either Colin or Jilly. Colin kept nagging me to join the Irish Setters Breed Club (isae.co.uk at the bottom of the page) but at the time I was so busy with the pups I didn't get round to it and have not bothered since either I must admit.
Both my Jessies sire and dam are hereditarily clear of C.L.A.D. therefore she cannot possibly be affected. My Rueben's sire is C.L.A.D. clear and his mum is C.L.A.D. unaffected so he cannot be affected either therefore their puppies cannot possibly have it. Both Jess and Rue have had their eyes checked (for P.R.A. -progressive retinal atrophy or night blindness, which is a condition one has to be careful of with setters). I can provide their hip scores if you require these. Both Jess and Rue and their pups are all KC registered (again, I will PM you my real name and you can check) I can also provide the telephone number of my vet who knows me well as I have so many dogs, saw all my puppies and would be happy to vouch for me. I spent thousands of pounds on raising the last litter and sold them for £500 when Colin Waddell advised me to charge £750. It was very very hard work and I did not make a profit.
I decided to pair my two because they both have fantastic temperaments and are healthy, attractive and intelligent with good teeth and the correct bite. Rue has a very long coat which can be pain for picking up the entire contents of a field but looks gorgeous and Jessie has a rather short coat which is more practical. Jessie is prone to putting on weight whereas Rue is very slim. There are other factors I took into consideration but feel I am getting carried way here and typing too much.
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with all of that said, i’m a little stuck on what you wrote about the underpopulation problem of Irish Setters in your area. it reminded me of a claim someone on this site once made about there being no chihuahuas in Alaska, which made her want to breed hers. by the way, there are enough chihuahuas in Alaska. i’m just wondering where your information came from and who might have suggested that you to solve this problem through your dog. at the bottom of this post you’ll find a number of links for people you can contact for top notch information on everything about Irish Setters in the UK.
In hindsight , that probably was a bit of a silly thing to say. The thing is, there really are hardly any setters in my town and surrounding area. Nearly every time I take my dogs out, someone or other will stop me and exclaim " its rare to see one of these " I believe its because setters have a reputation for being scatty but neither of my three or any of the litter are like that so always dispute it when people say that to me. Also, many of the people who bought my pups complained that they had ever such a job finding a setter pup.
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i know i said that we don’t know what kind of breeder you are, but from your post it sounds like you just bred your dog for the first time. from your thread in which tickle responded, it sounds like you have another dog that you’d like to breed from as well. i’m assuming that part of why you’re doing this is to continue to solve the underpopulation problem of the breed in your area? just out of curiosity, did you also encourage the new owners of the puppies to breed from them, too? if not, why? If you did, i have good news for you. we can do a little hypothetical math to show just how productive that continued breeding could really be.
No, I have Rueben, my boy who is the puppies Dad, Jessie, the puppies mum and their daughter Katy who I kept. I also have a castrated golden retiever boy of 8 years old. Im almost completely sure I dont want another litter but if I did it would be with the same parents. Of course I have not encouraged the new owners to breed, in fact quite the opposite. One of them mentioned they might like to and I said everything I could think of to put her off. I don't feel that people should breed unless they are experienced and know what they are letting themselves in for (and have no life and lots of money to spare!)
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by the way, i think it's strange that you're discouraging people from considering the effects of backyard breeding even though you've said that you don't know what backyard breeding is. you seemed almost satisfied that you don’t know or care to know what the term means. why was that? well, while you might not have heard of the term "backyard breeding," i'm guessing that you have encountered the terms "overpopulation," "animal shelters," "rescue groups," "irresponsible breeding practices," "abandoned dogs," "rehomed dogs," etc.. i will also assume that somewhere along the line, you've heard about the millions of dogs that are put down every year because of the overpopulation problem. most of those dogs come from backyard breeders. they’re all related.
I don't understand why you are saying this. How/where have I said anything that discourages people from considering the effects of backyard breeding? I feel that everybody should be aware of what goes on and its consequences. Its horrible. I felt I was fighting the cause of the reputable breeder as I misunderstood and thought that even they were being condemned. I knew of course about backyard breeding, just had not heard that particular term for it before - is it an American term? I dont understand how I came over as satisfied. Why would anyone be satisfied with their ignorance??
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there’s something else i’m caught on, too. it sounded like you were suggesting that buying dogs for others is perfectly fine. then i guess that it would only be a good thing if your children's high school girlfriends or boyfriends give them dogs for the holidays? and it would also be cool if the dogs are named after them? most teen relationships last forever, right? i'm not sure if their university dormitories will accept the dogs, but you wouldn’t have any problem keeping the dogs instead would you? remember, it would be even better if those girlfriends or boyfriends have any relatives who are vets. that might even guarantee that there won't be any problems down the road. Ana52408 obviously loves this puppy and wants nothing but the very best for her, and all of that is very, very clear. however, reading this thread from the beginning, the people who responded with their thoughts and opinions might not have been coddling, but they were saying all of the right things. they were saying the same exact things that are recommended by the experts in the world of dogs, and they were doing it with the right intentions. i'm that all of us want only the best for Ana and her (really adorable) pooch.
All I was commenting on was that people on this site are so quick to start criticising when they dont know the facts. All Ana asked for was suggestions for a name. If people wanted to lecture her about buying dogs as presents it would be better if they checked with her things like 'does your boyfriend want a dog?' first. Likewise with me, before tickle starts saying "you would be considered a backyard breeder" perhaps she could establish if I were one or not. It has been explained to me that its the experts job to answer questions not ask them but I still feel that people on here are very quick to judge. It has also been explained to me why that is -that you do gets lots of stupid questions from backyard breeder and have all seen some horrible cruelty and I sort of understand. I never suggested that buying dogs for people is OK. I didn't comment on that.
the following is a list of contacts in the UK that deal exclusively with Irish Setters. you are welcome to contact any of the following organizations to hear what they think about any potential underpopulation problem of Irish Setters in your area.
South of England Irish Setter Club:
South of England Irish Setter Club Website
It looks like there are indeed enough Irish Setters in the south of England for them to have started a club.
a link to a large UK Irish Setter Rescue group:
Irish Setter Rescue
it's hard to miss the expansive scroll of photos of absolutely stunning Irish Setters at the bottom of the page, who have each been given up and were or are still in need of new homes.
you might not want to miss the different sections of the site. here are some of them:
Irish Setter Rescue
here are some beautiful Irish Setters that are looking for homes right now.
Irish Setter Rescue
look at this enormous list of gorgeous and rehomed Irish Setters.
there are at least enough Irish Setters around for the rescue group to throw a party in their honor.
The Setter Party 2008: "Colin Waddell our judge for the Fun Classes had a wonderful entry and every class was well filled."
Irish Setter Rescue
here are some more helpful links:
Irish Setters UK and Ireland
Irish Setters Uk & Ireland Website
Reputable Irish Setter Breeders across the UK
http://www.irishsetter.org.uk/Breeders.htm
Irish Setter UK Breed Clubs
Irish Setter Breed Clubs
Irish Setter Association, England
Irish Setter Association, England Website
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