Labman, I haven't posted on this thread because I have posted on similar ones. Mowerman and I have already had a discussion on this, he knows my views, and I am a person who dislikes repeating myself. This is one of those subjects/debates that will continue until the end of time. When someone suffers a traumatic incident as a child, there is very little a person can say to change someone's position. Since the original post was made almost two years ago, is it possible for this thread to be closed now?

The only reason I haven't closed it is that somebody would just start another. I think everything there is to say has already been said several times. I am sick of the subject.

Keeping this thread open won't keep someone else from starting a new thread somewhere else on the site. It has already happened a few times. I am sick of the subject myself. Especially when people who are defending them are breeding them in their backyards and posting pictures thinking it will warm our hearts. I can't stand it. I would truly appreciate it if you would just close this thread and we take our chances on whether someone will start a new one some time in the future.