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The dog I had before my boxer was a beagle. I LOVE them. Yes, stubborn! Oh gosh. But after he turned two, the best dog ever. I would have another beagle, except I inherited the boxer and bulldog when I moved in with the boyfriend. I love them both. But I still think of my beagle baby all the time. I miss him terribly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alty
I have done that but my fiancé thinks someone is going to steal him. I say he's a little paranoid and we live in a really nice neighborhood and have fantastic neighbors. He actually got lose one night and some people we are now friends with because of it took him in all night. Their kids renamed him and wanted to keep him. The family said he was very well behaved and had no accidents, didn't jump on the kids and listened very well. So, there are plans in the future for a fence. It will be winter by the time we have one though! I know no one believes that dogs do things out of anger and here is no evidence but I believe 100 percent dogs get anxiety and do things because of it. My friends dog is fine when they are there but when they leave she has to put her shoes up. Not her kids or her boyfriends. Must hers. They have other dogs and bones and toys. But the one dog will chew her shoes up if she leaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky098
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Originally Posted by Hennali
My dogs certainly pick up on my emotions, without a doubt. I don't deny that. If I am anxious, they are anxious.
If you have the time, here's something I wrote about a dog that was absolutely 100% wrong for us, a real training problem: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/blog/a...ee-678813.html
How did Andi know anything that she knew? I don't know. How do dogs know when someone passes? I don't know.
Andi knew.
I agree. Dogs need you to be in charge. They will assume the position if you do not take it. You have to be the pack leader. I know that sounds corny, but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
That being said, the breed does matter somewhat. As each breed is different in its challenges and maintenance. The more intelligent, the more engaged they need to me. Every type of dog was breed for a purpose, when they don't get to do what is natural for them to do, they can get anxiety and it turns out as chewed shoes or soiled floors. My bulldog, he could care less about going for walks. You could not walk him for weeks, and he is just going to sit there drooling, farting and happy. The boxer, forget it, she will be running up the walls! She MUST be walked regularly. The backyard isn't good enough for her. Dogs are nomadic, and many like to go for walks and smell things, etc. I walk her regularly and she is fine.
This is why I tell people, if you are going to get a dog, learn about the breed type before you get one. Make sure it suits your lifestyle.
Breed does matter, I'm not denying that. I've had many breeds, beagle being the toughest. But, even with the beagle I managed to train to acceptable standards. Is he a perfect dog training wise? No. Is he a good dog? Yes.
The fact is, boxers really aren't hard to train if you look at breed. They're a smart breed, eager to learn, easy to train.
Like Judy said, dogs don't hold grudges, dogs don't do things out of spite. That's a human emotion, not a dog emotion. Every singe training issue I've ever encountered, including my own training issues, were due to the human, not the dog, no matter the breed.
He doesn't say haha I meant that's what it looked like. But, he does say mom. There are many boxers on YouTube that do it. I don't know if it is a boxer issue but from what my vet and what I have researched they are stubborn. He gets jealous is how I take it when I kiss and hug my fiancé IMO. I think nick, my fiancé is the leader the dog listens very well to him. He may think he is when he isn't here though. He walks real well right beside me and rarely pulls on the leash even when we run. So if it is an alpha thing when nick isn't here then I guess I need help changing that for sure. He doesn't even get on our bed with an invitation but we do try to make him feel like he's part of our family. We can't afford the training because the only trainer I found here in town is over a thousand dollars and did not get good reviews. I think he's better being trained here with us that is why I am trying to figure out how. When he got owe, I don't know if you saw that post, neighbors took him in and said he was extremely well behaved. They wanted to keep him. He had no accidents and didn't jump.. The issue I am having is when I tell him to leave the kitchen or if he isn't included. It isn't daily. So I guess if it's an aloha thing with me then I need advised on how to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
I will look at this tomorrow. Thank you if you have the time I will be back tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
My beagle was the toughest for me too! Haha.. little boogers. You got to love 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alty
Boxers are way easier. Its just a matter of time with any dog. But they are so worth it. Even this snoring bulldog next to me!
What I see.. really isn't a problem with the dog... I see a problem with the fiancé making it so everyone is comfortable.
I own althetic sporting breeds.. their energy levels are not too far away from a boxer's energy levels.. and I honestly don't think I would want to spend every waking moment looking at my dog.. Of course you're not satisfying his needs.. dogs NEED to go out and be by themselves. They enjoy taking naps in the sun and rolling in the grass. This is a very tough situation.
I think the result to solving your problems is getting that fence up. I know I wouldn't patiently wait for my hubby to "get around" to building a fence of some type while the dog was going stir crazy.
If the fenced in backyard is just not financially possible right now, look in the shop ads of newspapers, craig's list and e-bay and find a kennel run. Many people with no fences will resort to a kennel run snug up tight to the house for free access or easy access for their dog to go outside.
I do need to point out.. that the majority of people who own athletic dogs, run them until they cannot stand every day.
I think this comes down to man vs animal. The animal has no choice but to act out. Is he being vengeful? No, dogs don't act like that. Does it seem like it? Very much so. But dogs live their lives minute by minute. They do not hold grudges or act out on it. Will they remember that a specific action will give them something they don't like, via you leaving. Separation anxiety or any type of anxiety is just like a panic attack for people. But, all they know is that you are not home and they don't understand why they didn't get to come with you.
The first mistake in handling problem dogs is leading yourself into believing that the dog is acting out in anger or is vengeful. Once that idea is out of your head, you'll be able to better handle him.
As far as his pottying in the house... he's just being naughty and is getting by with it. He also may not be getting out enough.. I know you're busy and have a life to live as well, but he just might not be getting out enough or long enough. I'm going to classify your dog as an "apartment" dog... and those dogs are HARD to live with.. I love my dogs.. would do anything for them.. but even I would have a hard time living with my dog in an apartment and have to be its everything. I enjoy having "me" time, and I'm sure my dog enjoys her outside time where she can do whatever she pleases.. I do sympathize your situation, its not easy.
I also don't think this is a training problem. You claim that your neighbors had no problems.. well, because he is out of his element and away from stress.. You're home is probably very stressful because you are trying to be who you are and dealing with a high energy dog, basically by yourself... with no outlet to let him just be a dog.
Just think.. you'd be the perfect advocate on telling people why they should not own a high energy breed in an apartment. :)
Personally, if I were in your situation.. I'd go buy a cable runner and tell my hubby that if he doesn't like it, he had better fix it. You need to do what's right for you.. and you need to do what's right for the dog. Your home is very stressful right now which is why everything is just toppling onto each other.. Everything he does gets on your nerves.. he doesn't know what to do.. get what I'm saying? Will this relationship ever heal or grow? I don't know.. some people just can't handle a problem dog after things are fixed.. too many bad memories I guess.
So.. instead of blaming yourself, blaming the dog and threatening to get rid of him.. find an outlet for him to get outside so you can take a break from him. Instead of thinking you are doing everything wrong.. just take a deep breath and realize that this situation is HARD.. especially with a high energy, athletic dog. Either take it with a grain of salt and solve the main issue, which is no outdoor outlet, or suffer through it until your hubby decides its time to build a fence.
Yes, I'm attacking your hubby.. he is not thinking about either of you. I realize that money is always a problem, and having the time is an even bigger problem, but to do absolutely nothing is just as big of a problem.
Find a way to solve it.. it may not be ideal, it may not be perfect or even permanent, but to give you and the dog some time to cool off is priceless...
Once again.. don't start thinking dogs are vengeful.. Dogs will do very weird things when they are fighting for the alpha slot. This dog is wanting to call the shots.. she is not mad or upset that they left her.. she is just expressing her challenge for alpha leader.Quote:
My friends dog is fine when they are there but when they leave she has to put her shoes up. Not her kids or her boyfriends. Must hers. They have other dogs and bones and toys. But the one dog will chew her shoes up if she leaves.
I hear you. Love my beagle, but boy oh boy. Little bugger. He's the most stubborn dog I've ever known. But he's such a little lovey. Really hard to get mad at him. He's such a sweet dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
I also have a 6 month old border collie cross. The beagle is 4 years old. Of the two of, them the border collie, even with the full blown puppy energy, is better behaved. He was easy to train. Smart breed.
Having said that. The same 6 month old border collie ate one of my shoes today. Do I hate him because of it? Not at all. He's a dog. When he ate the shoe I learned that I haven't spent enough time training him to leave my shoes alone. He didn't do it out of spite. He didn't do it to get back at me for something. He didn't do it because he's upset. He ate the shoe because he's a dog, the shoe was there, and I (the human) haven't spent enough time with him teaching him to leave my shoes alone. That's not his fault. That's mine.
Your story brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
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Originally Posted by Hennali
I just wanted you to know that very difficult dogs take extra work - but it does play out in the end.
Hi -- I am an avid doggy lover and so I am reading all of the comments with some interest. I also don't understand the attitude in here. I have to agree with the original poster that for some reason when she asked for advice all she is receiving is attention to the fact that she has a love/hate relationship with her dog at the moment.
Here is what I have experienced: When I was much younger and newly married I wanted a dog. I was not equipped to deal with a dog but I thought that I was. Because I wasn't equipped with the knowledge I needed to make our relationship a good one, there were a myriad of issues and just like the poster above, I ended up having a love/hate relationship with my dog, which I eventually ended up giving to my mother who gave her what I could not at the time. I loved the dog, but the dog had been so much of a problem that there were times I really hated that dog, too. Ultimately the problem was me, but no one told me the key information I needed to get through it all, so now I am going to give the information to the poster that I never got and that I think she is asking for, and I sincerely wish her the absolute best, and I hope this helps her out :o)
Here's the thing that needs to be done right now: you need to invest in a crate. That crate is going to save your relationship and bring it back into the loving and caring type that both you and your doggie deserve. That crate is going to become your dog's house, his security, and his training tool. Even if he doesn't like the crate at first, and many dogs who haven't been initiated from the start with one have a bit of a struggle at first, but he will eventually come around, I promise, if you persist.
In the beginning you should only allow your dog out of the crate if you and the dog are going to be playing together or if he is going to receive your constant attention, for feeding, and for going to the bathroom. I would also invest in a long lead and a harness so that when you put the dog out to potty all you need to do is hook his harness to the lead line and it is almost as effective as if you had a fence as long as you don't leave him on it for more than 15 minutes at a time, where it is used for bathroom breaks and not for just "putting the dog outside". You really do need a fence, however, as a lead line is only a temporary fix. And the harness is much more humane as it doesn't pull on his neck.
So now, you have a crate. Each time you let the dog out of the crate, you should be putting it on the lead to go potty. Then you should bring him in again and play with him for at least 10-15 minutes. Have special toys that you save just for that occasion. For feeding time, let the dog out of the crate and potty him, then feed him, play for 5-10 minutes, and then potty him again, and then put him away. Make sure he has in his crate a favorite blanket, a chew toy such as a rawhide treat that he likes, and a toy to play with. Don't leave him in the crate for more than three hours at a time at first unless you work all day, at which point you should have someone coming and letting him out at midday to play for a while, get water, potty, etc.
You will find that as time goes by, you can have the times the dog is allowed outside of the crate gets longer and longer until eventually you can leave the crate door open all the time, or nearly so, and have confidence that the dog can be unsupervised for periods without having an accident since you reinforced pottying outside. You should never take that crate away because it is his security, so plan to have it for life. That is why it should be large enough for the dog to be able to turn around freely, but small enough that the dog cannot set aside a spot to go potty, because dogs will normally not potty in their houses. Also, it might be good to get on Amazon and research a good book on dog training. I would recommend 101 Dog Tricks by Kyra Sundance and Chalcy.
I hope this helps you out and I wish you a long and loving relationship with your doggie! Take care :o)
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Originally Posted by Charmlovesdog
I will attempt to say this without being offensive and without judging - you've posted twice. Alty and I alone have posted over 65,600 times. Please don't criticize anyone until you have more notches in your belt.
OP has a crate; OP did practice crate training.
I agree with your advice. I just have a problem with your opening attitude.
Did you read the entire thread? Many times I asked questions that would lead to better advice. Those questions weren't answered. I then asked the poster if she wanted help, that post wasn't answered. I then posted step by step instructions, that post was ignored.Quote:
I am an avid doggy lover and so I am reading all of the comments with some interest. I also don't understand the attitude in here. I have to agree with the original poster that for some reason when she asked for advice all she is receiving is attention to the fact that she has a love/hate relationship with her dog at the moment.
The fact that she dislikes the dog has a huge part in all of this. Any dog expert can tell you that.
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Originally Posted by Alty
I never understand why someone comes on AMHD and the very first post criticizes everyone else who has posted. In this case I believe this person has/had a lot to offer but certainly didn't start on the right foot.
Maybe she's a Vet Tech (or, I guess, a Vet) or a professional trainer (and not someone who works at PetSmart (or wherever), but he/she has no idea who else on her is licensed or trained or works in the profession. Maybe everyone on the pet forums isn't guessing and fumbling around in the dark for an answer.
And in this case criticizing without reading is not a terribly good idea.
I'm not saying that posting X times makes someone an expert or a reliable source. I am saying that I'd wait until I saw how things work, what other people post, before I'd start with criticism.
Over and out.
Thank you everyone for your help. I did feel at first that everyone was just judging from one thing I stated which was I can't stand my dog. It is a love/hate relationship. However, what I mentioned throughout the rest of the posts was all the things we do for him and how smart he is. I believe now from speaking with a trainer today and his vet is that it is stress. As I stated we had big changes in his routine because a whole family with another dog moved in. I did have a crate and weaned him out and took it down a week ago. I will now put it back up from the advice of charmlovesdog. There were some folks who came in without reading all the posts and I had to repeat myself. I was defensive because I was asking for advice and I was getting it is the owners fault (I do agree) but without any training advice. Some said he wasn't potty trained, but I made it apparent he was, for a very long time, in the first few posts. I was also very upset and didn't include much about how good of a dog he usually is and that this isn't something that has been going on all along.m something disrupted his routine and made him stress. I know some are not of the opinion that he can do things out of anger. I believe he can and does maybe not towards me but if he is upset or stressed he reacts. Both trainer and vet said it is entirely possible he is stressed or upset about the new dog more kids taking attention away from him. I will from now on put him in his crate while cooking and eating dinner because for some reason this is when it happens. I don't think dogs hold grudges because my dog loves me like crazy. I know one was under the assumption he thinks he runs my household, and after spending the whole day with him and trainer and vet then back home I definitely disagree. I was calm he was calm. Magpie mentioned the energy and perhaps cooking dinner and cleaning with all the new members in the family has me stressed to the max. So, I agree it has been me. I don't think he should be regimes, in fact I was told how wonderful of a job I am doing with him today. He sits, rolls over, lays down, speaks, says mom, you can make him sit outside (by front door inside) and he won't move till you clap your hands. I can set a treat on top of his nose and he wnt eat it tilli clap my hands. I am thankful for all the responses I got. I appreciate it. I just wish some of you would not just jump to conclusion from one thing I said. Alty, I am sincerely sorry I didn't see your post I was trying to respond but the responses came fast lol it was unintentional. I am definitely better today. I had an extremely bad day with him yesterday and I am seeking the help of others as well as researching. I already read a book and have worked with him. If you read all the posts even in the beginning you can see I was trying to explain the good of our relationship. I am not reforming him he's right where he needs to be and I will work on myself and try to breath through the bad days. Thank you all so much.
My grammar is poor I mean re home when it states regimes and reforming.. darn auto correct:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hennali
Things can move quickly here, I get that.Quote:
Alty, I am sincerely sorry I didn't see your post I was trying to respond but the responses came fast lol it was unintentional. I am definitely better today. I had an extremely bad day with him yesterday and I am seeking the help of others as well as researching. I already read a book and have worked with him. If you read all the posts even in the beginning you can see I was trying to explain the good of our relationship. I am not reforming him he's right where he needs to be and I will work on myself and try to breath through the bad days. Thank you all so much.
I wasn't upset with you. I was upset with that poster. I did do my best, and you either didn't see my posts, or didn't reply to them. No worries. The written word sucks as a form of communication.
I'm glad that you're working with him, and my offer still stands. If you want help, I'm willing to give it. I'm just a post away. I may have questions, and those questions are never because I'm a nosy person, it's because I need those answers to help you and the dog. I may not give a solution right away, not until I know what I need to know, but if you work with me, and promise to work with your dog, I'll work with you. That's my promise to you. :)
Now, let's get to a brighter note. Can we see a picture of this fur baby? If you go to the dog forum page there's a sticky (a permanent thread) on how to post pictures. If you're don't want to, that's fine. If you do and can't figure it out, post and tell me, and I'll post a link. :)
Thank you for the advice. I did crate train him but thought he didn't need it because he never has accidents. I believe he was stressed because it was within an hour of each other and his bowels just started going. I will take your advice and put it back up though that may be a contributing factor to his stress:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charmlovesdog
Will do! I have moved all photos off my device so I will get on that tomorrow... my fiancé is a little annoyed because I'm on my iPad again tonight lol! Thank you! I will take any advice! Except re homing him;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alty
I have to say, despite my reaction to this poster, I do agree with crating. Your dog is now older, so re-training to use the crate will be harder, but crate training is the best thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hennali
Think of crate training, and crating, this way. In the wild dogs live in dens. A den is a safe place, a place to hide, a place to sleep, eat, and feel safe. To a domesticated dog a crate is like a den. Just because your dog is a pet doesn't mean he doesn't still have wild instincts.
Puppies usually cry when crated not because of the crate, but because they've lost their litter mates, their mom. It's a hard adjustment. Most pet owners give up because puppy is crying, and they think that means puppy hates the crate. That's not the case.
In the wild mommy teaches the babies never to pee in the den. From the first days of their lives they go outside of the den to pee. Of course their den doesn't have a door, so they can choose to leave and pee when they need to. Fact is most dogs (except shelter dogs, and puppymill dogs) won't ever pee or poo in their crate unless they really can't hold it.
The rule for crating (during the day) is one hour/month of age. In other words, a 2 month old puppy should spend no more than 2 hours in the crate during the day without being relieved. That doesn't mean that you can leave a 2 year old dog in the crate for an entire day (being facetious here), but a puppy will need to be relieved, as an older dog (over 2 years of age) can spend a work day in the crate with no accidents (unless there's a medical condition, or other issues).
Boy oh boy, don't get me started, I'll write you a book. :(
I'm glad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hennali
I only suggested re-homing for your sake, and the dogs, because at first I felt you really didn't want the dog.
Like I said, the written word sucks. Sadly that's what we have to work with on this site, and many times we see something, read it, and that's all we can remember, that's all we care about. It can change the way we handle a question. Remember, we're all human, and we volunteer here. We answer questions on the dog forum because we love dogs. When someone says they're not fond of their dog, we go on defense mode. You'll understand when you've been here a while, when you've read some of the questions we get.
You stuck it out, you stayed around, and you're listening. That means a lot more to me than a poor choice of words in your original question. :)
Did I not say this was stress induced... Geez... Guess all my advise gets ignored... :-/
I wondered where/how OP found a trainer? I interviewed a number in my area before I found one who was a good fit. One appeared to have trained as a prison guard; another kept referring to "my babies" (I love them, but at the end of the day they are dogs).
Keep in mind, of course, that Andi and my late husband were jointly and severally banned from PetSmart (I believe both the classes and the store) for life. I believe I was allowed back in - alone.
That is incredibly funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
This is a dog that is stressed due to not being able to go outside for "dog" time and an owner that is probably micromanaging him.
I see this all the time.. the dog is neurotic and naughty. The owner is in denial that they are the reason the dog is crazy.
The dog is stressed because the owner created that environment. It is rare that a dog is stressed for no reason.
This is a high energy breed that needs to run.. A LOT! This breed, among others, rare will sit and twiddle their thumbs while you play mommy to 5 kids. He needs a schedule and he needs a strict schedule.
But this post will probably get ignored again haha..
I'm hoping he will adjust I know dogs are more adaptable then humans are. I just took it down because I didn't want it to be available for anyone to put him in there when they're stressed out. The other dog doesn't have a crate and he would be in there during dinner while they let their dog lay in the kitchen. I felt sorry for him so since he has been doing OK while we are away (not chewing anything up and no accidents) I took it down to give the dogs the same treatment. I'm hoping he will adapt rather smoothly especially since it hasn't been very long since I took it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alty
Also, since I have so many experts here do any of you suggest supplements? I am into holistic medicine and always prefer nutrition over drugs. I know boxers tent to have joint problems. I got him some fish oil because that will help with his joints and brain. I also considered getting glucosamine chroindroitin and an msm formula. Has any of you used supplements for your animals?
I am sorry I have been responding the best I can. Have you seen the number of post? I also stated I thought it was anxiety related if you did not read that early on. He gets a run four times a week with me and a walk twice a day and out in between. He also goes out to my finances parents once or twice a week to run.. I do believe as I've already stated a dozen times he needs a fence so he can exercise more. I do what I can and probably more than most. He also plays all day with my sisters dog. I am not "playing mommy" to five kids! I am a mom of two young kids and am a very active mom. My sister and her family are struggling for the moment so I welcomed them into my home. I disagree with the twiddling of the thumbs (he doesn't have thumbs) but he does rest when we rest. I have also stated he is usually a very loving and playful dog and gets tons of attention from my "five kids.". I ALSO stated his routine has recently been messed up due to all the new changes. I also have a dislocated jaw and have been under stress. I agree it is anxiety and probably because of his schedule change and my stress and the new dog. Dogs worlds aren't always perfect but I know they are adaptable and only got on here at a very weak moment for some advice. I don't think it's nice to jump in a make snotty remarks. I'm trying I just thanked everyone on here for their help. I'm a so sorry I missed your posts but I probably shouldn't even respond because I'm not here to fight I am actually here because I care about my dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky098
I never said he did on a regular basis I said he is potty trained and has been acting out. Out of character because he is potty trained. I am not going to argue this. I did find a trainer who I consulted with and went to see the vet today. He goes everyday all day out of cage in house without having an accident. He goes all night every night with me in my bed or his next to my bed without an accident. This started when my sister moved in, brought a dog in, and my jaw got dislocated, and my fiancé started a new job with long hours, and his routine ( which both vet and trainer agree is most likely his problem) added stress. They said my stress also makes him stressed. I told them both about the alpha thing and the trainer had me do a couple things standing over him and making him ay down and then saying basically down on ground on top and he flipped over. He also had me do a couple other activities with him and it went extremely well. It was just me and him and trainer though no kids running or dogs. He said he doesn't think it's an alpha issue because he clearly submits to me. He gave me some pointers and told me I could come work there with him but if anything I need work calming down because he is a good dog. So, I'm taking the advice of someone who saw me with him today. I was told not to holler at him and use a stern voice instead. I am thankful for your opinions and advice but I think we're going to be fine. Like I've stated before I will work on myself and will continue to work with him. Sorry I don't agree with everything you have posted. I did show this post to both vet and trainer today because I wanted to see what they thought. They think I just ticked a lot of dog lovers off with my opening statement and they can't really help you without seeing you with your dog and not to take it to heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
I wear my heart on my sleeve what can I say. I say what I feel at that very moment. I was on the defensive side too. I agree with the main advice given by everyone which I think if I'm correct is I need to change how I am doing things... I am going to try to get back on routine my kids are on a routine too. It has been a lot of changes in a little amount of time and it has affected the whole household.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alty
How much would a fee for something like that be...Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
[QUOTE=Hennali;3263087]I never said he did on a regular basis I said he is potty trained and has been acting out. Out of character because he is potty trained. I am not going to argue this. I did find a trainer who I consulted with and went to see the vet today. He goes everyday all day out of cage in house without having an accident. He goes all night every night with me in my bed or his next to my bed without an accident. This started when my sister moved in, brought a dog in, and my jaw got dislocated, and my fiancé started a new job with long hours, and his routine ( which both vet and trainer agree is most likely his problem) added stress. They said my stress also makes him stressed. I told them both about the alpha thing and the trainer had me do a couple things standing over him and making him ay down and then saying basically down on ground on top and he flipped over. He also had me do a couple other activities with him and it went extremely well. It was just me and him and trainer though no kids running or dogs. He said he doesn't think it's an alpha issue because he clearly submits to me. He gave me some pointers and told me I could come work there with him but if anything I need work calming down because he is a good dog. So, I'm taking the advice of someone who saw me with him today. I was told not to holler at him and use a stern voice instead. I am thankful for your opinions and advice but I think we're going to be fine. Like I've stated before I will work on myself and will continue to work with him. Sorry I don't agree with everything you have posted. I did show this post to both vet and trainer today because I wanted to see what they thought. They think I just ticked a lot of dog lovers off with my opening statement and they can't really help you without seeing you with your dog and not to take it to heart.[/QUOTE
I did not mean to imply I have not been helped hear because I believe I have. I only meant My vet believes my opening post really made people upset and that it looked like to him that people just automatically assumed I don't deserve my dog. Everything at has been said here I Have and will take into consideration and many I will use. Some I think agreeing to disagree is the best solution because we are going in circles and you haven't seen me with my dog and I think that is important before deciding my dog is running my household. He lays on me because he loves me when I say move he moves when I say off he gets off the bed. He listens. He has had some recent out of his character issues and I didn't understand it. But he is potty trained. This is a stress issue IMO. You know humans bowels sometimes go nuts when they are stressed. Some doctors think iBS and many other GI issues are because of stress. I think a dog could have this issue as well. Maybe I'm wrong but I know he is potty trained so I'm sorry I disagree.
Dogs do react to change. Dogs need a schedule, they thrive on things remaining the same. A sudden change can affect them, and their training.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hennali
So yes, you do need to change what you're doing with the dog. You also have to stop feeling the hate towards the dog. Not always easy, but it's obvious that you do love the dog, and that means a lot. Love can cure a lot.
If you're willing to put in the time, and suffer through the times that it doesn't work, accept that he won't get it instantly, and accept that he is a dog, not a human, then you'll make it work.
Go back to basics. Potty train all over again, go for walks, praise when he's good, a firm no, and nothing else when he's bad. Lots of affection, and lots of positive reinforcement. If you do that, you'll form a bond that no one can break.
Dogs are pack animals. They love to be with their pack. You are a member of your dogs pack. You can either be the dominant dog, or the outcast. It's really you choice, and it really depends on how much time and effort you're wiling to spend on this.
If you make a mistake, don't dwell on it, just move on. I can promise that your dog isn't dwelling on that mistake, he's just waiting for the here and now. Dogs live in the moment. They forgive very easily, otherwise there would be no way to rehabilitate dogs that are abused.
Today is a new day. Go and meet your dog, and start fresh. I'm sure he's ready and willing to soak up everything you're willing to teach him. :)
I really appreciate your help. I will take it. Thank you. I don't know that I will be back because of the post "I should rehome my fiancé". I have come here for advice and have tried to thank everyone and move forward. However, that statement was clearly out of line and impossible to make that conclusion with the few things I have said. I don't think she should be allowed to volunteer here because her words are very hurtful and she just doesn't back down. I attempted to say thank you and end on a good note but she just keeps going. I don't know if she is a volunteer but she is extremely judgmental and over the Internet with no reason for an outrageous remark like that. Thank you Alty!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alty
I wasn't directing this towards you at all. I may wear my heart on my sleeve but that remark by her was very insulting. I am not an overly emotional person I say what's on my mind but I would never tell someone they should rehome their fiancé from an Internet site. That is ridiculous she has no right to judge me and I haven't said enough to give any impression he is a bad guy. I have time at home and as I stated before there are normally people here if it's not me it's someone and a dog. I'm good with the advice I've been given but geesh if you aren't a therapist and haven't even met me don't make a remark like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma1999
It's a proven fact that dogs who are in stable environments with rock steady schedules, are more accepting of change.Quote:
I agree it is anxiety and probably because of his schedule change and my stress and the new dog. Dogs worlds aren't always perfect but I know they are adaptable and only got on here at a very weak moment for some advice.
You blame everyone for your dog acting out.. He is a horrible beast, yet you defend everything he does.
Bad dogs are bad dogs.. and some dogs need extra attention in a healthy way.
I own sporting dogs.. and a run 4 times a week with bad behaviors appearing is not enough. Many people think that walking a dog is enough. I believe it is healthy for a dog to just run and be free (in an enclosed area, of course).
You're dog obviously cannot handle stress very well.. and teaching him "sit" isn't going to do it.
Have you spoke to your vet about anxiety medicine? You can also give melatonin to help calm him down. 3mg three times a day should work OK. Melatonin has less side effects than the prescription drugs. If melatonin doesn't agree with your dog, it'll just make him sleepy, not aggressive.
If you do not see any changes in your home soon, I would seriously consider re-homing him. He cannot handle the home you have created for him. That is no fault of yours either. Some dogs simply cannot accept change... no matter how hard you try to make transitions easy.
That's another thing you need to accept. This dog is acting out because something is missing in your home. What that is.. no one can tell you. If you cannot figure it out, than he needs a home that can provide to him. That is called a life change and it happens to all of us. Most people own dogs and they are just that, a dog. They are loved and taken care of.. but mental health is very lacking along with socializing. Once your life changes, the dogs cannot handle it.. and they act out like yours is. Is he being mean and doing it on purpose? No! Stop thinking like that.. he is a dog... and he is acting like a dog and dogs act like this when there is something MAJOR missing in the structure of the "pack".
This is not a personal attack on you.. You are probably a great home and I'm sure you are trying your hardest to satisfy him.. but its apparent you cant. Stop taking everything as a personal attack. We respond to what you write.. and one post he is the best dog ever, the next post he is a jerk...
What I would suggest.. is for your to get him out.. Let him be a dog EVERY DAY. Increase his exercise.. He needs to be tired.. Tired dogs are happy, good dogs. Anxiety drops and they are less on edge.
You need to create a stable environment for your dog, and somewhere along the road, that left. Maybe you are going to have to start from ground zero. Maybe this is just a period where you just need to stick it out and deal with him and his annoying behaviors... Maybe he needs to live with someone else.. Maybe he needs medicine to help him out.
NOBODY said you said those words. You have been antagonistic with Judy from the beginning. I read this whole entire cry baby story, and quite frankly, it is YOU that has an attitude with the members. Judy is a well respected member on this site, and when you post on a Q A site, be prepared for all types of advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hennali
Also, I tried to find the original post I couldn't find it. By stating the statement I was insulted by I figured you would get I wasn't directing that towards you. I will be more specific next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hennali
I haven't defended what he has done that's why I'm here. I don't agree with some advice but just like everything else that advice may not be what's right for my dog. Idk if you read everything but I have tried to let it be known his positive characteristics because my main post was negative. He is a happy dog. We had an excellent day. He does run openly and free so there is one day a week maybe two that he doesn't get to run some. Some with me others t my finances land. All breeds are different. Dogs are all different. I will not give him melatonin because it's a hormone and he is too young to be deficient and I don't want to screw his hormones up when they probably work fine. I have homeopathic remedies for him. I will not give him drugs. Nutrition and exercise I think is the key to most issues. I think the changes that have occurred are what has caused stress in the entire household because as I've said it is a newly developed issue that does not happen everyday. Today I spent the day with him all day and with all that attention he is great. He doesn't just "sit" he listens he plays etc... I was defensive because I made a horrible mistake by posting in my first post I can't stand my dog. That has never left the minds of any poster. I knew the minute I received the first response I was in trouble. But no one wanted to look at any thing other than I'm a bad owner and need to re home him. I don't think you can make that decision over one post. As I stated in a few posts ago I took him to a trainer today for a consult and I took him to the vet. Both of them read this post and said my dog is doing great. My vet keeps him while I go on vacation so he knows him. The trainer had me do a few things with him to make surfeit wasn't an alpha thing and it's not. I know I need a fence I do what I can. I think if my original post would have included some nicer words and less negative ones this would have went better. But I tired to make up for it. My dog is where he needs to be. I am here as I've said so many times because I care and I want to fix this newly developed issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky098
Guys, I don't want to start a fight, but can we please get back on track?
Yes, the OP had a rocky start, she wrote a post and worded it badly, to the point were many of us saw red. We all know how ridiculous the written word is.
She was raked over the coals and then some, but came back, listened to the advice, is willing to work with her dog, and eager to learn more. I'm willing to give her more advice. If any of you aren't, that's fine, that's your prerogative, but please, stop putting a stoke in the wheel when there's someone willing to teach the person to ride.
You all know how much you mean to me, but I'm getting mad here. I'm willing to help the OP, but every time I get somewhere someone comes on and posts something about the original post, starts a spat, and everything I'm trying to do gets thrown under the bus.
If you're all upset with the OP that's your right, and I would urge you to either report the posts that made you upset, or PM the OP, but please, can we get back to the dog and how to fix this issue?
Clunk, off my soapbox. Alty is now waiting for the fit to hit the shan. :(
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