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Originally Posted by shazamataz

I know a lot of people want a purebred dog from a young age which is why they should buy them from a REGISTERED breeder.
Yes the prices are higher but that;s what you have to pay if want the health of your dog to be priority.

Both the stud dogs and b!tches have genetic testing done so that no hereditary traits are passed on the the prodginy.
Registered breeders don't simply see a dog on the street and like the look of it, they find other registered breeders who have the same knowledge of dogs that they do and are always trying to improve the breed.

I wasn't having a go at you because you didn't say the op was wrong, I was simply saying that there is a reason there is a list of registered breeders and people should either buy from a breeder or go to a shelter, not stud their dog out because someone 'liked the look of it'.

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What you are saying is absolutely true and it should be the case that you go to a registered breeder to get a healthy dog. Sadly this is not the case. It wasn't for us when we went to get our French Bulldog.
We're from the UK and we went through the kennel club to seek out what they themselves recommended as a "reputable breeder". After finding one with an available litter, we went to meet our puppy. We saw the health certificates and a vets report and paid a deposit on him - total price £2000 pounds. We were more than happy to pay such a high price because it's not wrong to assume that what you're getting is a healthy dog for such an amount right? Wrong! Our puppy came to us and was great for the first couple of weeks but afterwards I noticed that he started to sit with his back legs totally spread out in the splits position. I contacted the breeder and she said "completely normal, nothing to worry about" my husband and I weren't convinced. An x-ray at the vets then uncovered that he had a hemivertebrae defect in six of his discs. We contacted the breeder but she refused to give a refund or to acknowledge that this dog was ill, saying that we were just trying to threaten her reputation to get our money back, even when our vet sent her a letter. "Fine" we thought the Kennel Club will want to hear about this especially as this is a genetic defect and she was planning to continue breeding from her dogs. Unfortunately they were no help either. They said that French Bulldog breeders already had a bad name and they refused to take this breeders name of their register! She is registered on there still and this was 2 years ago. Unfortunately for our puppy Marmite, 9 weeks after we discovered his disability and 12 hours before he was due for surgery, he had massive fit and had to be put to sleep.
To top it off, about 9 months ago there was a documentary shown here on the BBC that uncovered the despicable practices of registered breeders and totally trashed the reputation of the British Kennel Club because there were all these terrible things going on that they knew about and had even recommended! As a result of that the Crufts dogshow was not aired on television.
So my opinion of these "registered breeders" is not good at all and not just because what happened to me. My sister also had a terrible time with a registered breeder but then there was this documentary that just blew the lid off it all... It's probably different in America but this documentary was totally shocking and interesting! It's a shame really because there are genuine breeders out there that do have the dogs / breed interest at heart and it's not about the money, we just weren't able to find them!
After all that we now have a Jack Russel mix.

I'm so sorry to hear that rhiannos... that is a genetic problem and the breeder obviously was thinking more about the money than the dogs health :(
It is true that there are a few bad eggs out there, I'm very surprised that they weren't immediately struck off the breeders list after what happened to you!
I am also unsure of the specifics in America as I am in Australia... Here if someone deliberately breeds a dog with a known defect they are banned from breeding altogether and struck off the breeders list.

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Originally Posted by shazamataz

I'm so sorry to hear that rhiannos... that is a genetic problem and the breeder obviously was thinking more about the money than the dogs health :(
It is true that there are a few bad eggs out there, I'm very surprised that they weren't immediately struck off the breeders list after what happened to you!
I am also unsure of the specifics in America as I am in Australia... Here if someone deliberately breeds a dog with a known defect they are banned from breeding altogether and struck off the breeders list.

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Sorry I thought you were American :confused:

Rightfully the breeder should have been struck off and prosecuted as far I am concerned. Unfortunately it's the dogs have been severely let down.

I've attached a link to YouTube showing a part of the BBC documentary which highlighted the cruelty behind dog breeding - UK specifically embarrssingly enough! It's only part 1 but I think there is about 5. It's very interesting but don't watch it if you easily upset it's VERY disturbing and really sad.

The link didn't show up :confused:

I'll do a YouTube search if you give me the title?

I heard that the UK breeding laws were pretty tough, I know a few people here who have imported dogs from there and they had to have all the vet certificates and pedigrees before they could be exported.
Guess a few slip through the cracks :(

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Originally Posted by shazamataz

The link didn't show up :confused:

I'll do a youtube search if you give me the title?

I heard that the UK breeding laws were pretty tough, I know a few people here who have imported dogs from there and they had to have all the vet certificates and pedigrees before they could be exported.
Guess a few slip through the cracks :(

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I am an ;) Forgot to include the link!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbvv0vBf7t8

Hehe, thanks :)

Fortunately, there's no real dog commerce in Mauritius... only the MSPCA does, and their dog are thoroughly checked before being sold.

As I said before, the only problem is for the rising number of puppy thieves who sell them for a lot of cash.

Btw, I've got a neighbour who had two females, then, the dog family grew, there're at least seven dogs there! :eek: However, it's a relief when you know that robbers cannot easily come in the neighbourhood :D

Ok well, I stopped the video when they said that one of the reasons for the problems was competitive dog showing...

I show dogs myself so I'm not getting into that argument!! :p

They did have some good points though, and some awful images (the cavalier cunvulsing on the floor in particular)
Also a good point about stud dogs being used to produce many many puppies and that a lot of the problems come from the dog...
My main point is that a responsible breeder would test for these things and not breed the dog...

To sum it up... good points but they singles out all pedigree dogs... not just dodgy breeders.

I think I'll have to watch the other videos in the series though before I dig my grave any deeper :)

Here are some of the dogs in my shelter right now;

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Do they deserve to die because someone wants to breed?

Just saying. :)

I would take the Staffy, he look gorgeous :)

I love the Golden retriever cross. I have to say, those shelter people sure do know how to take a picture. Those eyes, the faces, how can you say no to them? How can you let them die? I can't!

If I wasn't at my pet limit I'd be running down to the shelter right now!

Stupid sappy heart. ;)

I'm at my limit now with 2...
I have to apply for a kennel licence before I can own any more.

Sadly I'm one of the 'evil' people who have purebreds :p lol

My parents have been breeding great danes for over 20 years and their very first one was from a shelter. Poor thing was starved, they took her home and gave her a 10 course banquet... big mistake
They were cleaning up diarreah for the next few days...
They had her for about 8 years I think... then when I was born they got a rottweiller (had to rehome her because she was aggressive)... then they went back to great danes!

Great Danes are such lovely dogs. I couldn't love my Kane anymore then I do. Its hard to say who's more attached, him to me or me to him. It hardly feels like its only been two weeks since we adopted him, and now he is here I can't imagine life without him, or a Dane period in my home.

I'm going to throw huge hugs at shaz for that. :) If it weren't for you I may not have him. I owe you a huge debt.

Sorry, Can't fin the cord and I'm a procrastinator on getting a new one. Pics will eventually happen.

Aww *hugs back*
You deserve him, I know how much you wanted him and will love him.
Give him a big slobbery kiss from me lol

Yes.. still waiting for those pictures *taps foot* :p

He is soiled rotten excuse typos, can't see the screen through his head. He is demanding... fkjggrggrg head on keyboard.

Hahaha, yep I can picture it now!

Have you had the head on the dining table experince yet?. nothing like a bit of drool covering your roast lamb dinner :p

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Oh my god, they are all so gorgeous. I've noticed something about shelter pets, dogs or cats they all have that same look in their eyes, you know like they've given up. All it takes is for someone to come along and give them a nice home restoring their hope and that beautiful twinkle in their eyes.

Since there are no shelters around my house,(there is an spca but no shelter, so no dogs and sometimes only few cats) I got my dog from a reputable breeder. We did get our cats from a shelter though. And you know I hear people talking about all these breeds of cats. But to me it means more to know that these cats were given a second chance. Someone though they didn't deserve but they do deserve it and that's why we adopted them 4 yrs ago.

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Just Dahlia agrees: Where the heck is Mauritius?

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See there: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/lounge...ml#post1700784

Yep Rex, I'm with you... reputable breeder or shelter is the way to go...
One of my poodles (Prada) my mum bred
And my other poodle (Brody) We bought from a breeder.
Both were intended to be show dogs... Prada had some temperament issues and Brody well... he was supposed to be white and by 11 months he was still dark cream/coffee...
He is now a little over 1 year old and he is pure white... his coat lightened AFTER we clipped his show coat off... hmph!
I toyed with the idea of growing it back but he loves doing tricks so I'm teaching him obedience and agility at the moment.

One of my bunny rabbits was from a pet store (Yes, I know... naughty me)
And the other I adopted from the shelter...


And Unky... I'm so, so Jealous of you!!

Edit - forgot the fish :p They were from a pet store :p

Shaz, one of my bunnies is from a pet store too, so don't feel bad. I didn't intend to get him, we had gone to the pet store for dog food, but there he was, it was love at first site. I couldn't leave him there. That's Cotton, our little fluffy butt. ;)

Two are shelter rescues, the other, Oreo, was found by a neighbors friend wandering the street.

My oldest dog was from a friends accidental litter, very accidental. The male was supposedly neutered, but the vet screwed up, it didn't take. The female was under a year. So, he thought he had no worries.

It was right before our wedding, we had gone to visit him and up comes Nala (the female). I took one look at her, looked at my hubby and said "Do you want a puppy?" He said "One day" I said "No, do you want one of Nala's puppy's?" he said "She's not pregnant", I said "Yes she is, I wonder if our friend knows".

I told him, he didn't believe me. He rushed her to the vet and sure enough. So, when we returned from our honeymoon we drove to his place to see 7 adorable puppies (one died at birth). That's how we got our Indy.

Jasper was a shelter rescue, and abused pup, scared of his own shadow, I had to take him, he was on death watch.

Chewy is from a reputable beagle breeder, in fact, she's one of the best breeders I've ever met. I had to jump through hoops to get him, and that's how it should be. She still writes me emails at least once a month to see how Chewy is doing and asking for pictures. I adore her. She's been breeding since she was a child, her parents were breeders, taught her everything they know. She's now in her 60's, does it still because she loves the breed. I'm glad she does, because of her we have our little stinker Chewy.

Another book by Alty. Sorry. I love my fur babies.

Should I tell you about Marty our bird? Kidding. ;)

Wow... I know that neutering can be messed up but I've never known anyone who has a dog that isn't 'fully neutered'
I'd be sticking the vet for all the puppy food and vaccinations!!

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Wow... I know that neutering can be messed up but I've never known anyone who has a dog that isn't 'fully neutered'
I'd be sticking the vet for all the puppy food and vaccinations!!!

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It was a farm vet. He usually neuters horses and such.

What he did was more of a vasectomy then a neuter. He didn't remove the entire package, he just cut the "wires" but he didn't do it right.

I'm not for backyard breeding, you know I'm not, but this poor guy took all the precautions and still ended up with a litter. But, had this not happened we wouldn't have our Indy.

As soon as the pups were weaned Nala was spayed. Sadly, she got hit by a car less then a year after the pups were born. :(

Aww... sorry to hear that Alty :(

Yeah same here, poor thing :(
At least you have your little Indy as a memory.
Did your friend keep any of the puppies?

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Aww... sorry to hear that Alty :(

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It was sad but she lived longer then she should have.

She was found in a junk yard along with her brother. Our friends neighbor had gone there to dump some garbage, and low and behold he found two little black pups.

The vet guessed that they were around 4 weeks old at the time. They were starved, nearly dead. The neighbor took one, our friend took the other.

It was touch and go for a long time. He got up every 2 hours to feed her from a bottle, spent a lot of money on vet bills, and she made it, so did her brother.

She was living on borrowed time for the moment she was born. She was never completely healthy though, always sickly.

If our friend had realized that she was pregnant sooner her would have aborted the pups, it took too much out of her.

The two years she was alive was more then anyone expected and she gave us our Indy. :)

RIP Nala.

That makes me so angry!
I know that accidents happen but if your dog has puppies that you don't want or can't look after take them to the shelter not dump them in the garbage... poor thing :(

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That makes me so angry!
I know that accidents happen but if your dog has puppies that you don't want or can't look after take them to the shelter not dump them in the garbage... poor thing :(

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She was a poor thing, but she had a great life, even though it was short.

I have videos of her after the puppies were born.

Our friend had to put her and the puppies in a kennel for feeding time, otherwise she wouldn't nurse them. She was way to young for puppies.

Our friend felt so guilty that she got pregnant, but he did everything right, it was just a fluke, or fate.

He was waiting until she was at least a year old to spay her because of her poor health. The vet had recommended not even doing the procedure because she was so sickly. After the pups though, he felt he had to. She couldn't have tolerated another pregnancy, and he wasn't taking any chances.

She was such a sweetie, quite the mixture, mainly black lab but tiny. Ahh, memories.

Sasha, I don't know if you are still reading the responses to your question and admittedly haven't read this entire thread so don't know what happened with your dog but please be warned, breeding is complicated, expensive and VERY hard work. It can also be heartbreaking. Before even considering it you need to research many things such as... are there many of your breed of dog available to rescue? It would be wrong to produce more puppies if many existing of that breed are looking for homes. Do you have an experienced breeder you can use as a mentor? You WILL need this... do you have the money for the appropriate pre mating tests such as hip scores and eye tests and to feed/worm/advertise the puppies and any vets bills you may incure? When you have a litter you can't really go out for at least 9 weeks, you need to be there to keep an eye on your pups, feed them four times a day (first feed at 6 am), continually clean up their mess and wipe them down, socialise them etc. Then you have the stress of all the people who want to buy your puppies who would not make suitable owners and the heartache of letting them go to the people who would. For years afterward you will have the owners ringing or e-mailing you for advice with their various problems with their dog which can be time consuming and worrying and you may be in a position where you have to take back one of the litter because the new owner can't keep it. If you bring a puppy into the world you are responsible for it even after its sold. It can be a very rewarding experience but should be thought about very very carefully first with all the information you can get about what doing it responsibly involves.

Had to spread the rep sajjw but you are exactly right, well said :)

No worry Shaz! :)

I breed and show my dogs as well. It is a very extensive process and costs money. You should only be breeding to better the breed and to create a better conformation dog. Good breeders always keep a puppy from a litter to show. That is the purpose. I have a litter once every two years. My pups are only sold on a spay/ neuter contract unless the are going to show. Then they are put on a show contract.Why are you breeding just to breed? There are tons of dogs in shelters who were a result of what you are doing! You need to really look into the diseases that male could have and testing that if that other male doesn't have could leave your female sterile or create unhealthy pups. My sister bought an american pit bull two years ago. She looked into the breeder and visited where the puppies were and the parents. She thought she did everything she could. After coming home for only two days it was in the vet. It had hereditary mange and parvo!! The breeder is breeding dogs with mange and three of her pups were at a vet for parvo as well.
Don't breed your dogs because someone likes it! I agree with shazamataz. Good breeders spend the time and money to get great dogs. They don't breed for the money!

You're a show person greatdanelover?
Welcome to the club :D
I have pretty much the same values as you when it comes to breeding... As does my mum... but she has only ever made one post on this forum as she got too angry reading some of the questions :rolleyes:

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You're a show person greatdanelover?
Welcome to the club :D
I have pretty much the same values as you when it comes to breeding... As does my mum... but she has only ever made one post on this forum as she got too angry reading some of the questions :rolleyes:

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I hope it wasn't because of me Shaz. Oops. Me and my german temper. ;)

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I breed and show my dogs as well. It is a very extensive process and costs money. You should only be breeding to better the breed and to create a better conformation dog. Good breeders always keep a puppy from a litter to show. That is the purpose. I have a litter once every two years. My pups are only sold on a spay/ neuter contract unless the are gonna show. Then they are put on a show contract.Why are you breeding just to breed? There are tons of dogs in shelters who were a result of what you are doing!! You need to really look into the diseases that male could have and testing that if that other male doesn't have could leave your female sterile or create unhealthy pups. My sister bought an american pit bull two years ago. She looked into the breeder and visited where the puppies were and the parents. She thought she did everything she could. After coming home for only two days it was in the vet. It had hereditary mange and parvo!!! The breeder is breeding dogs with mange and three of her pups were at a vet for parvo as well.
Don't breed your dogs because someone likes it! I agree with shazamataz. Good breeders spend the time and money to get great dogs. They don't breed for the money!

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Welcome to AMHD. It's nice to have a breeder on board.

I love your post, well said and so true. This is what we've been fighting for for a very long time. None of us has a problem with a legitimate breeder breeding their dogs, but it's never about money, in fact, most breeders spend more money ensuring that they have healthy pups then the price they charge for those pups. It's all about furthering the breed and ensuring the quality of the breed.

We'd love to see pictures of your dogs, we're picture fiends.

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I hope it wasn't because of me Shaz. Oops. Me and my german temper. ;)

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Haha, no, there was a lady a while ago asking about if she should put her dog down because it was drinking a lot!!
Mum wasn't impressed, she gave her a blunt 'no, take it to the vet idiot' answer and never came back.

Yes, we LOVE pictures!

The brindle great dane is Hercules, he actually just survived parvo, a result of my breeding, The red/black german shepherd is Chocolate, he is also a result of my breeding, the black/tan shepherd his chocolates brother demon, same litter, (I kept two out of this gorgeous litter, they are both 4months here) the dachshunds is cocoa she is almost to her championship, she also has 22 champions in her 5 generation pedigree, A dabney is my Harlequin, I got her as an adult, still working in the ring with her.

My personal favourite would have to be Hercules (He is a very nice looking Dane!! ) but they are all gorgeous :)

Thank you, he is my other child lol!

I'll have a proper look at the Shepherds later... just had a bad run in with one so me and them are not on the best terms :)

While we are sharing I'll shove mine in there haha
This my mums dane... it's a fairly old photo, he was only about 8 months old there...
(I think you can see my purty car in the background haha)

LOL he is gorgoues!