I just stomped on your foot! Did you feel it? :p I'm not giving up, just taking a break! Even the dogs get a pee break right? (If they're lucky!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
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I just stomped on your foot! Did you feel it? :p I'm not giving up, just taking a break! Even the dogs get a pee break right? (If they're lucky!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
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Ouch, that was you? Bad girl, go to your corner! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by starbuck8
Okay, take a pee break, but that's it! :D
I think that cities shouldn't just give slap on the wrist rules concering breeding. You should have to get a permit to breed at all. Most places do not even reinforce the pet and breeding laws they do have. If we had more dedicated officials then progress could actually be made. If as a society we educated our children on these matters then perhaps they wouldn't grow into ingorant adults that either don't know or don't care.
Silver, had to spread the rep. I agree.
People have to get a license to fish, a license to hunt, a license to own a dog, but not a license to breed?
Anyone wanting to breed their pet should be required to take a class, pass a test and then pay a fee in order to get a license. If they breed without a license they should be fined or thrown in jail.
Ooooh, if we were running the world, what a wonderful place it would be! :)
A license test would guarantee that alteast the want to be breeder understands how its done, and a home environment check in order to get this license would keep even knowledgeable puppy millers from being able to obtain that right. I mean if bored cops can sit on a corner for 4 hours, then surely they aren't too busy to stop and ask and puppy seller they notice to show a license? No liscensce = hefty fee. It would slash down the "Breeders" tremedously, too mch trouble for most of them, and benefit the city as well as the dogs! Too bad I'm not a politician.
Run, I'll vote for you! :)Quote:
Too bad I'm not a politician.
There's got to be a way we can get this in motion. Maybe a petition, maybe a letter to the right people. Maybe a sit it, I'll bring the signs and the beer! ;)
There just has to be something we can do, but what? I know that if we all put our heads together, do our research, figure out a plan, well, we can do it. So, let's do it! You can't win if you don't try!
How about it everyone? Any plans on how to go about this?
Okay, the States are forming a new Government as we speak! There are new people, and the US Gov't are trying to make a change. I don't know who to send letters to, but maybe we could find out! Alty and I are of course in Canada, so we would need to find out the correct way to do this here. I don't think getting a lot of signatures would be a big problem (I bet even from some of the backyard breeders, that are trying to do a good deed when their peers are watching) but we would need to know where to send it, so that it gets the most attention.
I can't stand the political arena, but if that is what we have to do to lobby for these laws to be put in place, then I guess that is what needs to happen.
Any ideas?. I know it's not an easy task!
I'm going to do some research, I'm sure Judy would too, and she has a lot of experience with research, and her legal background would do us a lot of good too.
It won't be a quick fix, heck, it may not work, but, if we try, that's better than nothing, right?
If we all put our heads together, work our butts off, well, we may be able to change the world, at least for the dogs out there.
Let's do it, I'm in! :)
Lets use our BCBW!! and get er done! I know we won't save the "dog world," but we could do something more than just taking a back seat and b*tchin about it! :D WOOT WOOT!!
Yup, we have the power to do it, we just have to get off our arses!
I'm on it Starby, I'll do what I can, I know you will too, and so will everyone else here. We can do it if we try, we just have to try!
Okay, pep talk over, now it's time to act! :)
Check out this site for starters! What we can do!
What You Can Do
Wow, that's a great site Starby, very informative.
I'm signing up now, yup, this is a good first step.
If everyone that visits this thread just takes a few minutes to do just one of two of the things mentioned in the link, it will help a great deal! People are busy, but something that only takes a minute, that can help countless dogs, has got to make you feel that you have at least contributed in some fashion.
Everyone has a minute to spare!
What's sad is that I've people give me a confused look and ask me what a puppy mill was before. If there were more sites like that one, and if more people would take the time to look at the ones there are, then it could help. I find it hard to imagine the monster that can look at videos and images like that and not feel incredibly sad.
I agree! Some people look at you like you are nuts! They haven't got a clue what a puppymill is! Actually a lot of people I know didn't have a clue about dog fighting, until Vick came along... and they think puppymills (if they even know what they are) are places that they have in foreign or third world countries! :rolleyes: It's really funny how someone can sit and watch a movie like "Homeward Bound" for instance, and sit and cry because these trained dogs that are acting in Hollywood Movies, can't find their way home! There are all of these people that will bawl their eyes out when it's done by Hollywood! But when a dog can't find it's home in their "own backyard" they walk away from it. It isn't a well scripted movie anymore! It's reality! They can turn off the movie and rewind it, but they can't turn off real life!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverfoxkit
I think that dog fighters should just be thrown into a pit with each other and forced to fight for THEIR lives. The things those mosters do, it makes me sick to even think about it. It kid of frustates me, how the Vick case is the image of dog fighting. Its all people know about. It was around a long time before he got caught. It was no less of a problem, and it is still no less of a problem now. There are still thousands of dog fighters out there, hundreds of dogs probably fighting this very minute.
Exactly! It may have brought about a little more public awareness because of Vick, but it sure didn't shut them down! They make more money with their bets to stop it!
They really should be thrown in a ring, WITH the dogs that they've trained to kill! Let people bet on them! Better yet, do NOT attend these events, and give the thousands of dollars they're betting with to the shelters.
Okay, I know how much of a stupid statement that was, and that it will likely never happen. But I still think educating people is what we need to do.
I wish the "powers that be" would not just focus on Vick because of his status. It raised awareness because of his "celebrity" standing, but it didn't get into the "joe" on the corner who does this for a living! Focus on the little guys too! The guys that are doing the "backyard" fighting for profit!
I wish that in Michael Vicks sentence, they would have allowed him access only to video's of the dogs that are being abused. I wish he would have to watch that 24/7 until it was burned into his brain! Then when he actually is released, should have to do community service, and spend time in shelters, spend time with the people that try their best to save dogs everyday, and also go around to schools and tell kids what a horrible thing he has done, and what THEY can do to change it! Only then should that man be able to have his rights as a citizen back!
What really gets to me and eats at my core are the scums that still support Vick. The ones who aren't bothered by the pain and suffering, and murder because they are "just dogs". One of the best videos I ever saw was one that a firend showed me. Several guys were trying to get their pitt bull to attack a poddle and hitting and kicking it because it wouldn't attack, when suddenly the dog turned and the last thing you see is the camera man getting taken down. That was just deserts.
Here are just a couple examples.
YouTube - Illegal dogfights in Alaska
... and this next one makes me twice as mad! Pay close attention to what the "victim" says at the start of the clip! Neither parties are responsible pet owners! I don't feel sorry for this man that claims to be a victim. Does he look like a registered breeder to you? He looks like a breeder of some sort... but I'm not sure of what?!
YouTube - Pit Bull Attacks Man Walking His two leashed Huskies
Oh, dintcha know? Dogs don't feel pain! That's what the owners and trainers tell the kids so they will enjoy the exciting fighting even more!! "Yeah, that's blood all over that dog, but he doesn't feel a thing. He's just a dumb animal."Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverfoxkit
And if these people can say that about dogs, it's only a short hop to say the same thing about other people.
Now anyone that can watch this and want to leave these dogs in shelters, so they can be backyard breeders is either senseless or lying! Now tell me you can't find just about any breed you want. These were from JUST ONE shelter!
Okay, get ready to do it with me!. AWWWWWWWWWWW!! ;)
YouTube - The ABC25 News Blooper Reel: Puppy 25!
The third one looks like an Ewok from Star wars. Tooo cute!
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! :)
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Originally Posted by starbuck8
Well then get in some full breed dogs at the pet shelters and I won't buy a dog. However, some shelters want to charge 300+ bucks for a mutt. Ain't no way in hell I'm going to pay for a mutt when I can get it for FREE!
Well then, hopefully you'll get a nice free dog that costs you thousands in vet bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashabees
You have anger issues, get them under control or you won't last long here. :(
Ashabees has no anger issues.I have worked at those shelters and seen for myself the very thing she is talking about.If you have even a little bit of a heart then would be that mad and angry about it to.I have seen people come in and say " yeah well we got her when she was a puppy but in the past six years we got tired of her so you can have her cause we want a puppy now" and then leave like it was nothing. I watched that dog get put down because nobody wants a middle aged dog that somebody got rid of.so if anybody is not going to last long here it is you becase when people post these things you don't have to agree with them and you don't have to reply to them. If you don't like them then keep on looking but don't tell her to get in control of herself when that is what you need to do. This is directed to the last comment from Altenweg
And another self righteous person that thinks they know everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texie Studstill
Try following your own advice, you just told me to get control of myself while telling me I have no right to tell someone else the same thing. Hmmm, double standard.Quote:
If you don't like them then keep on looking but don't tell her to get in control of herself when that is what you need to do
Also, I've worked in animal shelters too. Do you even know what this entire discussion is about?
Maybe you should go to Ashbees other post where she yells at me because I care more about dogs then I do cows or chickens (funny, I never said a thing about cows or chickens at all).
If you worked in a shelter and saw the senseless slaughter of animals every day then why are you condoning puppy mills and backyard breeders? I would think that you'd be the first one to say that these practices should be outlawed because of the millions of unwanted dogs put to sleep each year.
I guess not. So then, I shouldn't yell at people who want to breed even though they aren't breeders. I shouldn't try to put a stop to puppymills and backyard breeders and the slaughter of millions of dogs.
I guess I've been told, but thankfully I won't listen. I only listen to people I respect.
I just realized something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texie Studstill
You think that Ashbees post was the entire thing that was quoted, don't you?
This was Ashbees only post on this thread.
Do you get it now or are you still in the dark?Quote:
Well then get in some full breed dogs at the pet shelters and I won't buy a dog. However, some shelters want to charge 300+ bucks for a mutt. Ain't no way in hell I'm going to pay for a mutt when I can get it for FREE!
It is terribly sad when the only two posts ashbee has made on this sight show blatant ignorance and complete indifference to the millions of deaths in animal shelters. People like this make me sick.
25% of dogs at shelters are pure bred and most shelters charge relatively low costs for adoption. Any fees for adoption are to go towards the medical costs spent to guarantee you are adopting a healthy animal although it may be for the best that this person keeps far away from shelters and dogs in general with the uncaring, thoughtless demeanor exhibited within the posts.
Am I angry about the number of good dogs that die every day due to people like this and backyard breeders, whom this individual also supports, most definitely, as should anyone that has even half a heart.
Wow...
All I can say is Go Alty and Silver! Right on!
You know you guys, I've alsways known that the pet population was overpopulated and that because of some owner's greed and need to breed, mnay pets die each year. I've know this but I've never actually witnessed it first hand, until the other day.
I've started a class, that allows us the students to go to any business we wish, I of course picked the vet.
The other day while I was at the vet, unexpectedly a cat had been brought in. He was in a trap. The lady had caught him wanting to bring him to the vet. He was a stray and he was TORN A PART there's no other way of saying. He was a young cat but his life had been terrible.
The vet called the lady and asked if she wanted them to start an IV and antibiotics, the lady said no that she didn't have the room for the cat anyway.
I watched them grab the bottle that said euthanasol, and inject it in the cat. At that moment my heart broke, and it took everything in my power to refrane from whisking that cat off the table and bringing him home with me and somehow getting the money to pay for vet bills.
As the cat sat there slowly fading away, there was a look in her eyes, I don't know what it was, it was kind of like she had given up a long time ago.
I NEVER want to see that look in another dog or cat's eyes again.
Wow Rex that's awful :(
I've never watched any of my pets when they get put to sleep. They put so much trust and loyalty into you, it breaks my heart to have to do it. But when there is something to prevent it, to save them, it makes it 100 times worse.
I've been in the position of being present during the death of many animals. That's why I no longer volunteer at the SPCA, I can't take it, it's too hard.
Most of the animals there are young, healthy, perfectly fine, there just isn't room or anyone willing to adopt them. There are too many cutsie wutsie puppy's being born, too many available that the shelter dogs are not even considered.
Oh if I had a farm, I'd adopt them all!
That's the only reason that I have not become a veterinarian. I would not be able to put down pets that didn't need it and I wouldn't be able to handle even the ones that did. And if I failed to save a pet, even if it was beyond my control? Boy would I meltdown. I guess you could say I'm far too sensitive.
I'm the same way Silver. There's nothing harder then watching a loved one die. These animals aren't just animals, they're a part of my family. Heck, if I make eye contact for more then 1 minute I'm in love, it's not a good idea to step inside the SPCA. It's simply too hard to watch an animal get put down.
My hubby won't even let me go to the pet store to buy dog food etc. He knows that I can't help but wander into the pet section and get hooked.
It's a disease. :(
Having to watch an animal die... Its one of the worse things in the world yet one of the best eye-openers. You will never think of it in the same way again. It becomes much more real then the written numbers you see of statistics. You can't push it away anymore. Tears are in my eyes right now from thinking about Ares. I loved him so much, I would do anything to bring him back if I could. No, you can never forget something like that. For days after we lost him I couldn't get the feeling out of my heart that he must be so lonely and scared in that box and he might be cold and he needed me. I just wanted to go get my baby and bring him back in with us where he belonged, even though I knew he was gone, my heart just couldn't believe it.
Its too bad dogpoundbrenda isn't still active on this site. She was wonderful. She was with me in a manner of speaking the whole time. She has a good soul and veterinary knowledge.
I know what you mean Silver.
I was 6 months pregnant when we had to put our 18 year old poodle down. It was way past time, we should have done it a lot sooner, how he suffered, it still haunts me.
I couldn't go to the vet that day, my mother refused to allow me, thought it would be too much for me to handle, especially because I was pregnant.
My mom went, held Silver (that was his name) while they injected the needle. She held him in her arms and felt the life drain out of him. She said it was the worst experience of her life, but also the best because she knew he was finally at peace.
We buried him in our yard, my dad made a cross, my mom planted flowers and put up pictures of him. One year later we learned that you had to have a permit to bury an animal in your yard. Never knew that. :eek:
I pity the person that tears up the yard, there's one dog, 2 rabbits, 2 budgies, a hamster and one unknown rodent that we found and tried to keep alive. :eek:
Out here where I live there aren't any restrictions on pets. Not how many you can keep or where you can bury them. I couldn't imagine living in a place with such tough pet restrictions. Breeding restrictions sure, we need 'em, but I think a person ought to be able to keep as many animals as they can afford and take care of properly.
Since this was my early childhood home, gifted to us when I got married, there are more pets buried around here then I can remember. I personally have laid seven puppies, my own Ares and the little lost souls from the pet shop of horrors I mentioned before, one cat, and four gerbils.
I'm in the burbs, in the country there are less restrictions.
The reason that they have limits is because too many people around here wouldn't stop at what they can afford to care for.
Kilal came from a home with over 200 bunny's in it. The lady just let them all roam free and breed whenever they wanted. She lived in one big house of rabbit poo.
Over 30 of the rabbits had to be put down, they were either too sick or too feral to adopt out.
Our little Kilala is a troubel child, but she's coming around. We chose her because the staff said she had issues and would probably end up being euathanized. No way!
She's my sweetie, spunky, nasty when she wants to be, just a little bundle of attitude. She's the bunny version of me. :)
My dream since I was young was to be a veteranarian, if I could help just one pet then it would all be worth it.
When they euthanized that kitten though, I kept picturing it as one of my cats.
I still hope one day I will become a veteranarian. And I will do everything in my power to save any cat or dog in that position. Abuse, or just plain neglect animals, can not speak and need us to be their voice.
I can see me being one of the people holding meetings and stuff for the importance of spaying and neutering their pets.
Rex, don't give up on that dream, the world needs good people like you to offer vet care.
So many vets get into it for the money. We found a stray cat one time, badly beaten, needed care but we really couldn't afford to pay for it, we also couldn't keep her, hubby and the kids are allergic.
We took her to a local vet because our vet was on holidays. She wouldn't care for the cat without payment. I asked her "why the heck did you get into veterninary medicine if you have no intention of helping animals?" her response "I didn't do it to save the world, just those that can pay".
I was so mad. The worst part, since it wasn't our cat and she knew it, she made the decision to euthanize, she wouldn't give the cat back. Twenty twenty hind sight, I should have taken her the humane society.
The worst part. She sent us a bill 1 month later for the cost of euthanizing the cat. Ya, right, nice try, not going to happen! :(
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