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  • Jan 30, 2010, 04:37 AM
    coa9492

    No, I wish it would be IV. He is still not eating much, when he tries he throws up before it hits his stomach.
    There may be more going on than lyme but the vet can't find it.
    He nipped my finger when I was forceing a pill down his throat. It was like I got stuck with a pin. It did bleed, is Lyme contracted by a dog bite in humans?
  • Jan 30, 2010, 06:41 AM
    Aurora_Bell

    I watched this documentary on lyme disease in humans, which is completley different from dogs. And I don't know how true it is, but they were syaing there was no cure after it has been in the body for an extended period. And that the side affects from the disease were so unpredictable. Some of the people who were diagnosed (after years of being told that there was nothing wrong with them, and it was a menatl problem) had lost all control of their bodily functions, one was a 40 year old phycology professor, and the affects of the disease had left him pretty much paralyzed almost like the affects of ALS. He couldn't feed himself, wash, talk, etc. And he had the disease for almost 3 years before they went to Canada (he was an American) and a doctor who was studying the disease told him that he was infected. The doctors he was seeing in the US had done almost every test imaginable (except the lyme disease test) and nothing had come up, so they were figuring it was something he was doing to himself. They were suggesting that the family send him to a mental facility. The scary thing about the disease (in humans) was that it was un curable, because the disease constantly mutated. So once the body would build up an anti body to fight the disease it would mutate.
    Anyway, I don't think that you can contact from the dog bite, because I know for ticks they have to be in the skin for at least 24 hours to sperad the disease. But I am not a doctor, and I am pretty un familiar with the disease it's self. I do know that it can re-accur after a few month of being cleard from it.
    But I pulled up some articloes on the disease if you want to check them out.
    Lyme disease in dogs and cats - dog - cat - pet encyclopedia

    WHAT IS LYME DISEASE IN DOGS? - General Topics - ThePetCenter.com - The Internet Animal Hospital

    Dogs in Canada Lyme disease


    I like the last article the best, it's worth a read even if you aren't in Canada.
  • Jan 30, 2010, 09:33 AM
    coa9492

    Thank You very much!
  • Jan 30, 2010, 12:24 PM
    KISS

    If he's not eating and throwing up, the IV antobiotic is in order.

    Pills can be sometimes difficult to give to a dog. Wrapping it into a treat doesn't seem like it would work.

    I had to give my dog a thyroid pill forever. Fortunately, the delivery was easy. Drop into his mouth from two feet away. He liked to catch it.

    Although dropping it into his mouth and holding it shut sometimes works.

    If he still kiles treats like a milk bone dog bisquit, take half of it. And drill a shallow hole in it.

    A pilot point drill bit and a variable speed drill would work fine. It leave a flat bottom hole.

    Then mix a little bit of flour and water to the consistancy of thick paste.

    Use the paste to glue the pill into the bisquit. Use as little as possible. Let dry.

    If the drug has to be swallowed whole then this may not work.
  • Jan 30, 2010, 05:50 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    I always use a slice or chunk of cheese.
    If you have to drop it in his mouth, you can try and rub his throat to stimulate swallowing.
  • Jan 30, 2010, 06:44 PM
    Catsmine

    After he recovers we can discuss administering pills, such as for heartworms. Right now he's dehydrated and sick. He needs to be on IV's until he can at least keep water down. You need to tell the vet about the throwing up RIGHT NOW. You can't do this, the vet has to, and almost immediately if the poor animal is to survive.
  • Jan 30, 2010, 08:41 PM
    KISS

    If you can get him to drink some pedialyte, it would be great,

    I agree with Catsmine, he needs vet care now.
  • Jan 31, 2010, 05:17 AM
    coa9492

    As soon as he tries to eat he gags just as it starts to go down causeing my dog to heave and drool and then he has a sneezing fit then back to the gagging and heaving. The food actually does not even in his stomach. I read that if the pharyngeal lymph node is enlarged it can cause this. Im wondering if anyone knows about this and could the lymph node be enlarged from the Lyme Disease.
    It also said if a forign object could have gotten in to the pharynx and Manual or endoscopic examination of the interior of the pharynx is necessary.
    My vet put my dog under and examined his throat and said everything was fine. He did not know what as causeing the gagging. Does anyone know if a visual exam would show if there was an object in the Pharynx or if an X-ray would show that. What would an Endoscope do that an ex ray would not?
  • Jan 31, 2010, 07:49 AM
    Aurora_Bell

    I am thinking that a visual exam would not show this. Endoscopes are more invasive which is good because they can get into nooks and crannies, and show things that a 1-d exray can not.
    I may be way off, but do you feel your vet is doing everything possible?
    Do you feel that your vet is taking the proper care of your dog that he shouold be? I know that my vet would have never let my dog go home if she were dehydrated, and expenses or not they would have suggestede ANYTHING that may or may not help.
    Has the vet considered Laryngeal paralysis from the Lyme disease?

    Endoscopy in Dogs

    There is some info on the endoscopic procedure. Basically says it's the next sensible solution when x-rays and exams and blood work doesn't show anything.
  • Jan 31, 2010, 06:17 PM
    coa9492

    Laryngeal paralysis did not cross the Vets mind. In fact I asked a medical doctor what he thought. He thought it could be exactly that. Lyme disease attacks the central nervous system and could cause paralysis.
    Two full days on antibiotics, he did drink a good amount of water today in the morning and a few minutes ago.
    I tried a variety of meals for him today, mashed boneless chicken and rice,mashed up pancakes, chicken breast hotdogs mashed up and canned condensed milk. He ate half of a pancake and a mashed hot dog without throwing up. YEA!
    From what I have read and not being able to walk very well it seems he is in the third stage, not good. I wish the vet thought to test him for this a month ago. I guess the symptons did not fit the disease. Thanks for all of your help and support!
  • Jan 31, 2010, 06:51 PM
    KISS

    Get him some Pedialyte too.

    I hope your dog gets better. It's a rough fight, even for humans. I knew one person who got Lyme disease. It wasn't fun.
  • Jan 31, 2010, 08:27 PM
    coa9492

    Thank you!
  • Mar 2, 2010, 01:22 PM
    coa9492

    Buck is not with us anymore.
  • Mar 2, 2010, 04:27 PM
    alibarnie

    Sounds like your dog has laryngeal paralysis! It is the main condition that leads to a change in the bark. It is common in older labradors. Other symptoms include coughing & wretching, especially after eating and drinking. Often dogs will regurgitate food into their nose which can lead to sniffing/ sneezing.
    I think kennel cough is less likely at this age, and a cough would be the major symptom. Sometimes the coughing can be followed by a wretch which can be confused with vomiting. Without being controversial, I would be worried if honey did contain bacteria! One propertly of honey is its sterilty in its medicinal use, and typcially antibiotics are not need in kennel cough. Cephalosporins have poor penentration into bronchial fluids so wouldn't be an idea choice - just for your information.
    I hope he's feeling better by now.
  • Mar 2, 2010, 04:29 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    For some reason the OP's two threads were never merged. On her other thread they explained that their dog Buck passed away from complications from the Lyme disease. And they explained that I the post right before yours.
  • Mar 2, 2010, 04:33 PM
    alibarnie

    My sincere apologies. Did not see that Buck had passed away -i am very sorry.
  • Apr 26, 2010, 01:13 PM
    coa9492
    Thank you,I kept telling the vet Buck had Laryngeral Paralysis caused from nerological problems from the Lyme Disease.The vets kept looking for something else wasting valuable time. He was on Doxycycline and was barking and eating again in 4 days,I received a call from my vet,he was changing the meds to Dexamethazone & Clindamycin. I should not have listened but I was so confused.The Vet let me know my dog had Panosteitis which I now know is not possible.I took him to another Vet questioning the steroid. She did every test and decided it was the Lyme. She cut the Steroid med in half to wean him off and now back on Doxycycline. I believe the steroids finished him off. #3 vet took the steroids away it was to late for Buck. He was aspirating water and his bones had deteriated, he was dying. It haunts me when I know he was barking,eating and walking. I didn't follow my heart and keep him on the Doxy.Steroids prevented his recovery .
  • Apr 26, 2010, 01:13 PM
    coa9492
    Thank you,I kept telling the vet Buck had Laryngeral Paralysis caused from nerological problems from the Lyme Disease.The vets kept looking for something else wasting valuable time. He was on Doxycycline and was barking and eating again in 4 days,I received a call from my vet,he was changing the meds to Dexamethazone & Clindamycin. I should not have listened but I was so confused.The Vet let me know my dog had Panosteitis which I now know is not possible.I took him to another Vet questioning the steroid. She did every test and decided it was the Lyme. She cut the Steroid med in half to wean him off and now back on Doxycycline. I believe the steroids finished him off. #3 vet took the steroids away it was to late for Buck. He was aspirating water and his bones had deteriated, he was dying. It haunts me when I know he was barking,eating and walking. I didn't follow my heart and keep him on the Doxy.Steroids prevented his recovery .
  • Apr 26, 2010, 01:17 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    I am so sorry Coa. My heart goes out to you.
  • Apr 26, 2010, 01:38 PM
    Alty

    I'm so sorry for your loss. It's always hard to lose a loved one.

    I Remember

    I stood by your bed last night, I came to have a peep.
    I could see that you were crying. You found it hard to sleep.

    I whined to you softly as you brushed away a tear,
    "It's me, I haven't left you, I'm well, I'm fine, I'm here."

    I was close to you at breakfast, I watched you pour the tea,
    You were thinking of the many times your hands reached down to me.

    I was with you at the shops today. Your arms were getting sore.
    I longed to take your parcels, I wish I could do more.

    I was with you at my grave today, You tend it with such care.
    I want to re-assure you, that I'm not lying there.

    I walked with you towards the house, as you fumbled for your key.
    I gently put my paw on you, I smiled and said "It's me."

    You looked so very tired, and sank into a chair.
    I tried so hard to let you know, that I was standing there.

    It's possible for me to be so near you everyday.
    To say to you with certainty, "I never went away."

    You sat there very quietly, then smiled, I think you knew...
    in the stillness of that evening, I was very close to you.

    The day is over... I smile and watch you yawning
    and say "Good-night, God bless, I'll see you in the morning."

    And when the time is right for you to cross the brief divide,
    I'll rush across to greet you and we'll stand, side by side.

    I have so many things to show you, there is so much for you to see.
    Be patient, live your journey out... then come home to be with me.

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