I do understand what you are saying RubyPittbull. I have spent time at the Humaine society. I however, did not have to put any to sleep, I would not... I do feel differently about animals then some people do. I feel that they do have most of the feelings that people do. Now my dog is not that old. I also have the health information that her paprents had. So as far as the parents are concerned ( of the mother) they are healthy. The only thing that is remotly wrong with my dogs, is that my male has a breathing problems, which most of this breed gets at a certain age. I do not mean to get angry at people, but it makes me a little up set that they try to make me feel bad because I am giving them a chance. I feel that making a dog go through sugury like that,I have seen a female that went through spaying and she was so depressed for a long time. I don't want my dog to go through that. I do plan on checking the backgrounds of the people that take my puppies. Yes, people all have their own opinions and think what they think is best. Thanks to all of you for your support for this. I did not know that asking about a flea problem would make me out to be a bad pet owner. Thanks.

Asking about a flea problem didn't make you out to be a bad pet owner. I consider failing to spay her, letting get her get bred, and failing to clean up the flea problem in the 2 months between breeding and whelping plenty of proof you are not meeting your responsibilities. You should get the male neutered too.

Ok you know of one spaying that went wrong. So do many whelpings, killing not only all the puppies, but the mother too.

I never used the words "bad pet owner". I am sure you love your dogs but breeding is a huge responsibility, as you are now finding out. Fallon, you need to understand that fleas just don't bite. They survive by "drinking" the blood of the animals they have managed to invade. Humans too by the way. With a very young puppy, they can quickly cause anemia, which can lead to death. In your original post you stated "they are really infested with fleas." That is what caused my initial response. This should never have occurred. So, your actions and responsibility do come into question. As labman points out, there is enough time to ensure that the household is free of infestation prior to whelping. You stated you went to the vet and was told not to give your pregnant dog a bath. A vet has other methods/products that they will suggest that are safe to apply to a pregnant dog, in addition to treatments for the home, furniture & carpet. Although the dog would have to be removed from the home when you are applying the treatment, within a few hours (after vacuuming), it is safe for the dog to be returned to the home.

Regarding your male with the breathing problems, that is considered a genetic disorder, no matter how many of the breed suffer from it. Since you still haven't mentioned the breed, one that comes immediately to my mind is a Pug. In the U.S. we have so many people that keep breeding these dogs with these issues, that it becomes the majority of the breed to have this health issue, as you stated. That isn't the way it is supposed to be. Why should these sweet animals be born into this life with a medical condition? It has only become the norm because people have made it so. And, as someone who has a family member that adopts Pugs from his local rescue, I can assure you that you would be sickened at the abuse these little dogs have suffered at the hands of humans. I am in no way suggesting that you would do these things, but you have no way of knowing what the people who buy your pups will do to them. Serious breeders have the purchasers sign a contract and they retain the right to take the dog back if the people don't want the dog or are mistreating it in any way. The very first one my family member adopted had been blinded in one eye and his private parts were severely disfigured by his previous owner who burned him with lit cigarettes.

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There are very few things that you will find to be worse in this life, than having to participate in killing a beautiful animal that has done nothing wrong except to be alive and not have the advantage of someone to care for them. If more people chose to be aware & responsible, it would result in much fewer accidental, puppy mill, and backyard breedings, and this terrible chore would not be required.

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I knew someone who worked at a shelter, and he said the worst part of the job was having to go through a litter of puppies and decide which one, or maybe two, of them they were going to try and adopt out, knowing that the rest of the litter would be euthanized. The shelter figured that if they only had room for a certain number of puppies, it was better to go for a variety rather than keep all of a couple of litters. Having to decide which one of 6 equally adorable wiggling puppies to keep alive was a terrible decision to make.

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I do understand what you are saying RubyPittbull. I have spent time at the Humaine society. I however, did not have to put any to sleep, I would not.... I do feel differently about animals then some people do. I feel that they do have most of the feelings that people do.

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Keep in mind, if you are letting your dog have puppies because it's "natural" for her to, that it is also natural for most puppies to die. Mortality rates 0f 30-60% are not uncommon. Nature compensates for this by having a lot of puppies, so that at least some of them survive. If you are going to intervene to prevent the puppy mortality, then you also need to intervene to prevent the breeding, or you wind up with more dogs than can be supported by the area. Which is what is happening in the US. There are simply too many pets for the number of people who want them. So some of them have to be killed every year. And every puppy you bring into the world may wind up with a home, but that is one more home lost to another dog.

After trying several different things with my dogs that didn't work. Someone had told me about the Dawn dish washing liquid. It worked great. We had fleas jumping off our dog everywhere. They do not like that stuff. You just have to make sure you rinse them very well. Then use conditioner cause the dawn can dry their skin out. After the dawn and getting the fleas under control I went back to the normal flea control stuff. Can't think of the name right off hand. I do also use the k9 Advantage. Now after we found out Angel our female pit bull was having pups we didn't use it anymore on her.

I would also like to state that not all information you get from vets are all good information either. I went to 3 different vets with my cousin around 5 years ago with his dog and all 3 vets couldn't find what was wrong and all 3 told him something different to try. So it's just like this site. Different information from different people!!
Hope all have a good day!

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:confused: Hello, my female gave birth to 5 beautiful puppies. I noticed that they are really infested with fleas. I really don't know what to do because of their age. I gave all the animals in my house a bath and cahnged their blankets. They still are covered. What should I do, and is it safe to put the drops on the mom since she is still nursing?

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Fallon

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Hi my name is alex and my dog also just had five puppis I did notfind any fleas on my puppies but I noticed some itching I am also worried

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:confused: Hello, my female gave birth to 5 beautiful puppies. I noticed that they are really infested with fleas. I really don't know what to do because of their age. I gave all the animals in my house a bath and cahnged their blankets. They still are covered. What should I do, and is it safe to put the drops on the mom since she is still nursing?

Thanks,
Fallon

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Well we had the same problem if you buy something called "hot shots" it's a bomb type thing that if you put the can in different parts of the house like upstairs and downstairs it would kill all the gross fleas in your house. But you have to be out of the house for about 2 hours including your pets. Kk hope it helps you!!

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.... And her little bumps are gone they were caused by bathing her with dawn liquid soap.
Ill never use that again.

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I was skeptical about using it.

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:confused: Hello, my female gave birth to 5 beautiful puppies. I noticed that they are really infested with fleas. I really don't know what to do because of their age. I gave all the animals in my house a bath and cahnged their blankets. They still are covered. What should I do, and is it safe to put the drops on the mom since she is still nursing?

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Fallon

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Um give them the mom soms flea spray and the puppies can't there to younge because they will die and just ask the vet about the puppies

labman and ruby I think you are being a bit harsh, fallon was (like me) only looking for advice and probably realises any mistakes he has made, I treated my for worms and fleas before she was due to give birth but somehow she caught them again just before she gave birth and now my puppies have fleas, I have all the necesarry things to clean my house and the puppies are in a separated area, rankrank do you know if it is only dawn dishwashing soap that is safe to use? Is there a particular chemical in other makes that are dangerous? :confused: I know if you give a whole peeled clove of garlic to an adult dog it gets rid of fleas but I'm not sure if that would be dangerous to the pups as they are still suckling.

I think all of you who think that rubi and lab are being harsh need to understand that they along with froggy have been on this site a long time helping people and sometimes it can be frustrating I'm sure to repeat themselves. That being said they are good people with great advice and sometimes the truth hurts.

That being said... for all of you having issues with fleas when I lived in California a few years there was always this season that fleas seemed to kick up and I had just had my son he was only a few weeks old and also my zu so I was scared of what to use I didn't want chemical residue left in my carpets and such. My neighbor who had lived on base for years gave me some great advice and I'm passing it down. If you are dealing with a house infestation of fleas, here's a great way to get rid of the problem. Mix together 1 1/2 pounds of diatomaceous earth, 1 1/2 pounds of natural borax and 1 cup of salt. (Don't use the earth and borax that you can purchase at a pool store, rather use the products that you can get from your local garden store.) The diatomaceous earth works because it contains very tiny particles that have sharp spines, which puncture the exoskeleton of the flea, killing it. The borax and salt work by absorbing the moisture of the flea and make all of those cracks and small areas that they might find to live in your home much more undesirable. You can use the mixture by sprinkling it throughout your home onto carpets and into those harder to reach areas. Allow the mixture to sit for a couple of days and then vacuum it up. Although these powders are not poisonous it's never a good idea for you or your pet to breathe it continually for days so if it's possible to go elsewhere ( like maybe a larger tiled or linoleum covered room with a gate to keep them there) while it sits then that's definitely an option you should use. Alternatively, if you prefer not to douse the house with the mixture, you can always pour it into your vacuum cleaner bag and vacuum everything thoroughly so that any of the sucked up fleas will die inside the bag. Keep in mind that this solution will not kill the un-hatched flea eggs and therefore the process may need to be repeated several times depending on the severity of your problem.

As far as the pups go Dawn is the best choice I've heard for washing them but I also suggest adding garlic to the moms food and vinegar to her water ask your vet how much but this is a natural deterrent it's kind of like what mosquito repelaant is for us but naturally. Good luck and sorry it's so long!

Eck, I was hoping that this thread being brought up was a 1 time thing... guess not.

Please check the dates on threads before posting people, this one is from 2007.

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