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  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:20 PM
    HotPotato2009
    Adopting Pets
    Hello!

    I need everyone's opinion or thought on this one.

    Does anyone think that its best to adopt a pet at a Humane Society or is it best to just buy one from newspaper, pet store etc??
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:23 PM
    Just Dahlia
    Humane Society/Shelter, they have plenty that need good homes and a large variety, from young to old and small to large, short hair, long hair, big teeth, little teeth, cute, ugly.:D
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:25 PM
    shazamataz

    NEVER from a newspaper.
    NEVER from a pet store.

    Adopting from a shelter or buying from a reputable breeder are the only ways to go.

    Dogs from pet stores are 90% of the time from Puppy mills, the other 10% backyard breeders.

    No responsible breeder sells their puppies through a newspaper. If you buy from a very good breeder you will actually have to go on a waiting list to get a dog, there is no need for them to advertise.

    Shelter dogs are the best if you are willing to adopt. You would not only be saving a life, but if you get an adult dog you will already know what it is going to look like as well as the temperament.

    A lot of shelters will want to know quite a few details from you.
    Your income, where the dog will be living/sleeping, do you know how to care for it etc..

    Reputable breeders are the same and check these things.

    If you buy a dog out of the newspaper or from a pet store they just go "Ok, here's your dog, give me the money, bye!"
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:28 PM
    HotPotato2009

    Yeah I was thinking about getting a puppy from the Humane Society. I am so willing to adopt, plus I think its cheaper. I went online and got some info about it. I think that's what I am going to do then now. Thanks
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:33 PM
    shazamataz

    Yep, definitely cheaper.
    Shelter dogs are from $100-$400.

    For a dog from a breeder you would be looking at around $2000.

    Just a friendly reminder though, dog's are expensive ;)

    If you want a "surprise" dog, find a puppy cross-bred. It's fun to watch them grow up and go through the different stages, you never know what they are going to end up like until they are no longer pups :)

    Just don't buy a cross-bred ;)

    Sorry, you will get a lot of that from me... I love my purebreds, but I also love anything adopted.
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:35 PM
    HotPotato2009

    What is a cross-breeded dog? Do you mean for example, a lab and a pit mixed?
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:36 PM
    HotPotato2009
    Is that what you mean when you say "surprise" dog?
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:36 PM
    HotPotato2009
    Oh never mind. I get it LOL silly me. I had to re-read your post again
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:41 PM
    Just Dahlia
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    Adopting one is good, buying one is bad. That means it's from a backyard breeder.

    I had a surprise dog, it started short haired all over and looked like a little lab w/basset markings and ended up being this.
    Attachment 22932
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:44 PM
    HotPotato2009

    That's a really nice looking dog. Awww!!
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:45 PM
    shazamataz

    I love that photo :)

    And yep, cross-bred meaning one breed of dog bred to a different breed of dog (like a labxpitt) ;)
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:49 PM
    HotPotato2009

    Yea I wouldn't mind having a cross bred dog. Can Yorkies be cross breeded with another dog? You know?
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:51 PM
    Just Dahlia
    They have been, you never know what you are going to find at a shelter.:)
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:54 PM
    HotPotato2009

    I'm very interested now you guys lol can't wait to get a little one
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:56 PM
    shazamataz

    Yorkies can be bred with any other dog, even a great dane, but the mother would have the be the larger dog.

    If two dogs are mated and the smaller dog is the female then it can often cause complications with the puppies being too large for the female to carry, resulting in problems birthing and even death.
    If it is the other way around and the larger dog is carrying smaller puppies then there would be no problems.

    Of coarse in that situation there would be a umm, 'height disadvantage' for the male ;)
    That is where AI matings come in, which... is backyard breeding because it would be intentional.

    The latest craze is "Designer Dogs"
    It is driving me mad trying to talk people out of buying them.

    They are cross-breds that people have made cute names for.
    Such as a Yorkie x Poodle = Yorkipoo
    Pug x Beagle = Puggle
    etc.

    Now where was I...

    Yorkie mixes :D

    Yes, there are many different types but basically if you are going to a shelter and buying a puppy it may look like a yorkie as a baby but grow up to look nothing like one, it's pot luck
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:58 PM
    shazamataz

    If you don't mind providing what state you live in (In a private PM) I could try and track down some Yorkie rescues in your area.

    If you don't then that is fine, just Google Your State + Yorkie Rescue.
  • Aug 4, 2009, 01:59 PM
    HotPotato2009
    Oh OK that makes sense lol. I'll just go in there and ask about it then. Wow you really know you stuff don't you :p
  • Aug 4, 2009, 02:00 PM
    artlady
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just Dahlia View Post
    Adopting one is good, buying one is bad. That means it's from a backyard breeder.

    I had a surprise dog, it started out short haired all over and looked like a little lab w/basset markings and ended up being this.
    Attachment 22932

    This is the second time I have seen this picture and the expression on this beautiful dogs face is so thoughtful.I love this picture ,the light and the mood is just so tender.
    There are so many captions I could think of to put here.
    What a sweetheart!
    Wish you were here seems so fitting!
  • Aug 4, 2009, 02:03 PM
    shazamataz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HotPotato2009 View Post
    Oh ok that makes sense lol. I'll just go in there and ask about it then. Wow you really know you stuff dont you :p

    Haha, no just get asked a lot of questions and have a good memory :D
  • Aug 4, 2009, 02:08 PM
    Just Dahlia
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shazamataz View Post
    I love that photo

    Yeah, I really need to upload some new ones, that ones been posted 3 times already!:rolleyes:
  • Aug 4, 2009, 02:16 PM
    artlady
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shazamataz View Post
    Haha, no just get asked a lot of questions and have a good memory :D

    Yes ,you know your stuff and congrats on becoming an expert ! Three cheers for Shazz!

    So I am not stealing this thread,I will add that adopting a *mutt* is also a good idea because very often a pure breed will carry the genetic coding for whatever particular problem that breed suffers from.
    I know how you feel about German Shepherd's but my pure breed had a worse case of dysplasia because of his pure breeding as opposed to my German shepherd mix.
    The good traits of the German Shepard were passed on to my mutt but the bad ones were not.
  • Aug 4, 2009, 02:24 PM
    shazamataz

    Thanks Arty :D I was very happy when Ben granted me my magical powers.

    While it is true that mutts supposedly have the "hybrid vigor" it isn't always true.

    The odds of a genetic disorder being passed on are reduced (such as things like PRA or dysplaysia) but there are a lot more physical problems.

    If say you crossed a dacshund with a pug.
    Dacshunds are well known for their back problems due to their elongated spine.
    Pugs are known for their protruding eyes and can have a lot of eyes issues.
    Mix the two together and you could not only end up with one of those problems, you could end up with both.

    It's a catch 22, both have problems. Both pure breds and mutts.

    The myth that cross-breds are healthier is purely a myth though.
    They do both have problems but I tend to find reputable breeders who do genetic testing before mating the dogs to be more reliable. It is the backyard breeders who skimp on the testing that cause the trouble.

    Not only that but a lot of the tests are relatively new, so people who owned a purebred with problems say 20 years ago, will have the mindset that they are unhealthy, when really, there were just no tests for it back then.

    Anyyyyyway... Off my little soapbox.

    Wasn't putting you down Arty, it was just that my mum and I had this conversation only a few weeks ago, so it has been playing on my mind for a while :D
  • Aug 4, 2009, 02:25 PM
    shazamataz

    Now I'm going to bed before I get myself ito trouble :)
  • Aug 4, 2009, 02:27 PM
    joyluo1999
    I agree with Just Dahlia and shazamataz, adopt one from the Humane Society.
    They usually have way more pets then pet stores.

    Good Luck!:)

    Joy
  • Aug 4, 2009, 03:01 PM
    Alty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joyluo1999 View Post
    I agree with Just Dahlia and shazamataz, adopt one from the Humane Society.
    They usually have way more pets then pet stores.

    Good Luck!:)

    Joy

    It's not the amount of animals that matters, it's where they come from.

    Pet stores are usually filled with poorly bred puppy mill dogs. Those dogs live in horrible conditions, most of the puppies will be sickly. No legitimate breeder sells their animals to a pet store, it simply isn't done.

    The dogs in the papers are usually from backyard breeders, they're just as bad as puppymills, only on a smaller scale. These people have no idea what they are doing, only the females and her pups suffer.

    Legitimate breeders breed to better the blood lines, they do genetic testing, they properly care for the dam and the pups, they have years of experience. Even when selling their pups for $2000 a pop (or pup ;)) they usually don't make a profit, most of the money goes into the proper care and breeding of these pups.

    Having said all that, I love shelter dogs. Not only are you saving a life, you're supporting a great cause and you usually end up with a dog that's your match in every way.

    The humane society here takes a lot of precautions to make sure you're not buying a dog on a whim. They also match the dog to your lifestyle as best they can.

    You may not find the right dog for you the first time, but eventually you will.

    Getting a dog is never something you should do on a whim, you have to put a lot of time and care into choosing a dog that you will be able to live with. Dogs can live 12 plus years, you need to be prepared to make that commitment. Vet checks when needed, shots once a year, more for the first year of a puppy. Neutering/spaying if it hasn't been done at the shelter. Food, collar, registration (yearly) you name it.

    It's not cheap, so check out all the costs involved before bringing home your forever fur friend.

    Of course we'll need pictures once you get him/her, that's not negotiable. ;)

    Okay, I'll post pics of mine. Twist my rubber arm. ;)

    Indy, my 14 year old lab mix. Friends dog had babies, don't normally condone getting a dog from an oops litter, but we fell in love.
    Attachment 22936

    Jasper, my 8 year old border collie mix. Shelter dog, we got him at 4months of age, he was badly beaten, thin as a rail and didn't trust anyone. Now he's a big softie, cuddly, sucky baby.
    Attachment 22937

    Chewy, my purebred beagle. We got Chewy from a reputable breeder that we found online. She still emails me once a month to see how Chewy is doing. She does it for the love of the breed. Beagles are great, because breeders have managed to keep the blood lines very clean, as a result they don't have many health defects passed down to them. Sadly, because of this, they are the dog of choice for animal testing. :(

    Attachment 22938

    That's my dog family. I'd show my other animals but I'd need 3 posts. ;)
  • Aug 4, 2009, 03:30 PM
    joyluo1999
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post
    It's not the amount of animals that matters, it's where they come from.

    Pet stores are usually filled with poorly bred puppy mill dogs. Those dogs live in horrible conditions, most of the puppies will be sickly. No legitimate breeder sells their animals to a pet store, it simply isn't done.

    The dogs in the papers are usually from backyard breeders, they're just as bad as puppymills, only on a smaller scale. These people have no idea what they are doing, only the females and her pups suffer.

    Legitimate breeders breed to better the blood lines, they do genetic testing, they properly care for the dam and the pups, they have years of experience. Even when selling their pups for $2000 a pop (or pup ;)) they usually don't make a profit, most of the money goes into the proper care and breeding of these pups.

    Having said all that, I love shelter dogs. Not only are you saving a life, you're supporting a great cause and you usually end up with a dog that's your match in every way.

    The humane society here takes a lot of precautions to make sure you're not buying a dog on a whim. They also match the dog to your lifestyle as best they can.

    You may not find the right dog for you the first time, but eventually you will.

    Getting a dog is never something you should do on a whim, you have to put a lot of time and care into choosing a dog that you will be able to live with. Dogs can live 12 plus years, you need to be prepared to make that commitment. Vet checks when needed, shots once a year, more for the first year of a puppy. Neutering/spaying if it hasn't been done at the shelter. Food, collar, registration (yearly) you name it.

    It's not cheap, so check out all the costs involved before bringing home your forever fur friend.

    Of course we'll need pictures once you get him/her, that's not negotiable. ;)

    Okay, I'll post pics of mine. Twist my rubber arm. ;)

    Indy, my 14 year old lab mix. Friends dog had babies, don't normally condone getting a dog from an oops litter, but we fell in love.
    Attachment 22936

    Jasper, my 8 year old border collie mix. Shelter dog, we got him at 4months of age, he was badly beaten, thin as a rail and didn't trust anyone. Now he's a big softie, cuddly, sucky baby.
    Attachment 22937

    Chewy, my purebred beagle. We got Chewy from a reputable breeder that we found online. She still emails me once a month to see how Chewy is doing. She does it for the love of the breed. Beagles are great, because breeders have managed to keep the blood lines very clean, as a result they don't have many health defects passed down to them. Sadly, because of this, they are the dog of choice for animal testing. :(

    Attachment 22938

    That's my dog family. I'd show my other animals but I'd need 3 posts. ;)

    Awww, your dogs are so cute.

    Joy
  • Aug 5, 2009, 06:34 AM
    HotPotato2009

    Shazamataz I sent you a message
  • Aug 5, 2009, 06:44 AM
    HotPotato2009
    Altenwig your dogs a cute :D Didn't know you had so many animals. I would love to have a puppy, a kitten, and a hampster lol.

    I am so ready for the commitment of having a dog. I call it practice before having a baby :p even though I have my niece and "almost born" nephew for practice lol. Just something I always wanted

    The Humane Society doesn't have the type of dog that I want. I went online and looked but I think that if I were to actually go in there I may see another puppy that I like.

    Could anyone tell me all the names of the small dogs that don't get big? I know that there are Yorkshire, Toy Poodles, Malteese, Chiwawa... I know I didn't spell that right lol
  • Aug 5, 2009, 06:51 AM
    HotPotato2009

    Thanks Rex! I'm sure I will
  • Aug 5, 2009, 07:20 AM
    shazamataz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HotPotato2009 View Post
    Shazamataz I sent you a message

    Seen and replied :)
    Thanks for the info, there are several rescues I found, check them out and let me know if you need any more.
  • Aug 5, 2009, 07:27 AM
    shazamataz

    There are a lot of small breeds, it really depends on what sort of dog you are after.
    Some require a lot of grooming, others are very hyperactive..
    Just take your lifestyle into account before you select one.

    Higher maintenance (grooming)
    Lhasa Apso
    Shih Tzu
    Yorkshire Terrier
    Toy and Miniature Poodle
    Peikingese


    Medium maintenance
    Australian Silky Terrier
    German Spitz
    Japanese Spitz
    Papillon
    Japanese Chin


    Low maintenance
    French Bulldog
    Bulldog
    Chihuahua
    Dacshund
    Miniature Pinscher
    Boston Terrier
    Jack Russell
    Schipperke
  • Aug 5, 2009, 07:30 AM
    shazamataz
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    These are very sweet little dogs and you don't see many around:

    The Japanese Chin
  • Aug 5, 2009, 07:43 AM
    Unknown008

    Definitely from a Shelter or Humane Society. I've looked through posts form other members, went through the links about puppy mills they provided, and you can trust me, these puppy are not being looked after properly. The more people buy them, the more puppies they'll take there. Not buying puppies from them (the people practising that awful act) is the sole way to discourage the practice.
  • Aug 5, 2009, 08:03 AM
    HotPotato2009

    I would like to get one that likes to play of course cause I am a very playful person when it comes to pets. I don't mind grooming. Of course not 24/7. Just as much as I groom myself is good. He or she can be groomed when I get groomed lol
  • Aug 5, 2009, 08:21 AM
    shazamataz

    Lol
    If you can give any dog a brush once a day that is great.
    Especially for the longer coated breeds, the less often you brush them the more work it will be in the long run because they will matt.

    My poodles just get theirs ears and tail brushed once every couple of days and a clip every 6-8 weeks.
  • Aug 5, 2009, 08:25 AM
    HotPotato2009

    Once a day before bed sounds good to me lol. I think I can handle that. I don't have kids at the moment so it should be all right.

    That pic of the Chin that you posted... is that your dog?
  • Aug 5, 2009, 08:29 AM
    Unknown008

    No HotPotato. Shazzy's got 2 Poodles, and one or two great Danes, which are from her mother if I'm not mistaken :)
  • Aug 5, 2009, 09:00 AM
    artlady
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shazamataz View Post
    Thanks Arty :D I was very happy when Ben granted me my magical powers.

    While it is true that mutts supposedly have the "hybrid vigor" it isn't always true.

    The odds of a genetic disorder being passed on are reduced (such as things like PRA or dysplaysia) but there are a lot more physical problems.

    If say you crossed a dacshund with a pug.
    Dacshunds are well known for their back problems due to their elongated spine.
    Pugs are known for their protruding eyes and can have a lot of eyes issues.
    Mix the two together and you could not only end up with one of those problems, you could end up with both.

    It's a catch 22, both have problems. Both pure breds and mutts.

    The myth that cross-breds are healthier is purely a myth though.
    They do both have problems but I tend to find reputable breeders who do genetic testing before mating the dogs to be more reliable. It is the backyard breeders who skimp on the testing that cause the trouble.

    Not only that but a lot of the tests are relatively new, so people who owned a purebred with problems say 20 years ago, will have the mindset that they are unhealthy, when really, there were just no tests for it back then.

    Anyyyyyway... Off my little soapbox.

    Wasn't putting you down Arty, it was just that my mum and I had this conversation only a few weeks ago, so it has been playing on my mind for a while :D

    I hear you hon.I trust your judgment.Years ago a vet told me this but I am sure it was before the area of genetics became more popular and now they can weed out the unwanted trait.Pretty soon we will be having Super Dogs! I stand corrected :)
  • Aug 5, 2009, 09:16 AM
    HotPotato2009

    Oh OK thanks unknown.. lol
  • Aug 5, 2009, 09:32 AM
    shazamataz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HotPotato2009 View Post
    Once a day before bed sounds good to me lol. I think I can handle that. I dont have kids at the moment so it should be alright.

    That pic of the Chin that you posted.... is that your dog??

    No, not mine, I wish he was, he's gorgeous ;)

    No problem Arty, I'm not saying mutts are unhealthy, just that the people that breed them don't realise what physical problems they could be making.
    Obviously with two breeds like say a labxshepherd there wouldn't be the physical problems, but both breeds can be prone to hip problems...

    Makes my head spin :D

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