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  • Aug 23, 2010, 01:32 PM
    Mini_Her
    Root canal... Experts please reply
    I had a root canal started today and even though the dentist numbed me with 3 or 4 different shots, I still felt HORRIBLE pain during the drilling! It literally felt like an electrical wire in my teeth! He had just begun the process, he was using some vibrating tool to open up the tooth. For the first few minutes the vibration didn't bother me. But he must have hit the nerve and I SCREAMED! I was numbed pretty well so I don't understand why I still felt pain! Any thoughts as to why this happened? Why did I still feel pain?

    Any answers would be appreciated!
  • Aug 23, 2010, 01:40 PM
    tickle

    Which tooth was he drilling ? A back molar which has four nerves? It sounds like the nerves in your tooth weren't dead yet, but then different people have reactions to pain, some low some high but just the same, the freezing should have been enough, maybe not enough. Kind of hard to answer your question not being able to see the X rays of tooth he was working on to determine just what was going on.

    Was he able to finish the root canal to prepare for a crown? Or what ? Was the pain too much for him to finish his work ?

    You couldn't have been numbed all that well.

    tick
  • Aug 23, 2010, 01:55 PM
    Mini_Her

    Hey, it was tooth number 12... so not in the back but not exact in the front, either. It has two canals and yes, the tooth is still alive.

    No he did not finish. I was screaming and moving too much. He had to stop.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 02:57 PM
    tickle

    What were you experiencing with the tooth prior to the root canal diagnosis because root canals aren't normally done if the tooth is healthy. Were you having trouble with pain in the tooth, abscessing, gum disease?

    I am sorry for all of the questions, I don't understand why they had to do a root canal ?

    Tick
  • Aug 23, 2010, 03:03 PM
    Mini_Her

    It was very painful... it reacted to hot, cold and sweet food! The tooth next to it was extracted, and therefor the tooth had a little chip or opening if that's what you'd call it.

    Feel free to ask as many questions as you need... Any help I can get would be great.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 03:48 PM
    flossie
    First question... why are you having a root canal done on a LIVE tooth??
  • Aug 23, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    First question...why are you having a root canal done on a LIVE tooth????

    It was very painful... it reacted to hot, cold and sweet food! The tooth next to it was extracted, and therefor the tooth had a little chip or opening if that's what you'd call it.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 03:57 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    First question...why are you having a root canal done on a LIVE tooth????

    Isn't that what is done? -- a living tooth is causing trouble, so the nerves are removed during a root canal, and the canals are filled with gutta percha? One the nerves are gone, the tooth should not experience any pain or other sensation.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 03:57 PM
    flossie
    Had your bite been checked? It's possible with a tooth missing that this tooth has shifted and your bite (occlusion) could have been off. This causes you to irritate the tooth, ligaments and nerve by biting or grinding on it.

    Clenching and grinding can also cause hot and cold sensitivity. Clenching and grinding is often done while we sleep, again irritating the tooth so that it becomes sensitive through the day.

    Sweet sensitivity could be a cavity or root exposure (which can also cause sensitivity to temperature).

    Erosion of the teeth can also cause these symptoms.

    Was everything ruled out prior to the root canal being started?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:01 PM
    Wondergirl

    I'm guessing (like tickle) that your mouth had not been numbed properly or with enough anesthesia or the dentist hadn't waited long enough for the numbing agent to take effect. Some of my teeth have required four shots before the dentist could work on them.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:09 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    Had your bite been checked?? It's possible with a tooth missing that this tooth has shifted and your bite (occlusion) could have been off. This causes you to irritate the tooth, ligaments and nerve by biting or grinding on it.

    Clenching and grinding can also cause hot and cold sensitivity. Clenching and grinding is often done while we sleep, again irritating the tooth so that it becomes sensitive through the day.

    Sweet sensitivity could be a cavity or root exposure (which can also cause sensitivity to temperature).

    Erosion of the teeth can also cause these symptoms.

    Was everything ruled out prior to the root canal being started?

    I am not sure if they did those things. But, I will say that approximately 5 different dentist' saw the tooth and said I needed a root canal.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:10 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I'm guessing (like tickle) that your mouth had not been numbed properly or with enough anesthesia or the dentist hadn't waited long enough for the numbing agent to take effect. Some of my teeth have required four shots before the dentist could work on them.

    He did 3 regular shots then shot me with a different type of anesthesia, can't pronounce the name of it, though.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Wondergirl

    Did he "shoot" you on both sides of the tooth?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:16 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Did he "shoot" you on both sides of the tooth?

    Yep. My mouth actually was rather numb. I just don't see what the problem was.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:22 PM
    Mini_Her

    I read somewhere online that I might have an infection and would need to be on anti-biotics for 2 weeks before having the root canal. Could that be true?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:37 PM
    Mini_Her

    Anyone know how I can kill the nerve in the tooth? I read that because the nerve is still living that might be the reason it's so painful. How can I kill the nerve?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:43 PM
    flossie
    If the tooth has a large infection (seen by a large area of darkness around the root) it can be difficult to get a good freezing. I have known dentists to drip the anaesthetic solution right in to the canal where the live nerve is to try to freeze it that way.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:45 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    If the tooth has a large infection (seen by a large area of darkness around the root) it can be difficult to get a good freezing. I have known dentists to drip the anaesthetic solution right in to the canal where the live nerve is to try to freeze it that way.

    I think that's he did. But, do you think two weeks of anti-biotics (Ibuprofen and Amoxicillian) would help ease the pain/infection?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:50 PM
    flossie
    It certainly should! It won't kill the nerve though.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:53 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    It certainly should! It won't kill the nerve though.

    Do you know how I can kill the nerve?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:54 PM
    Mini_Her

    And when I say ease the pain/infection... I mean make the root canal procedure less painful.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:55 PM
    flossie
    I'm sorry but I don't. I would think that whatever you try to do to kill the nerve is going to hurt more than what you felt at the dentist!

    Is the pain still real bad now?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 04:58 PM
    tickle

    flossie, something wrong with this discussion and this thread. I am thinking trollish. You asked the same questions I did.

    Tick
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:00 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mini_Her View Post
    It was very painful...it reacted to hot, cold and sweet food! The tooth next to it was extracted, and therefor the tooth had a little chip or opening if that's what you'd call it.

    That isn't a good reason to do a root canal on a good tooth. There are other ways to correct the discomfort on a long term basis without invasive surgery.

    Tick
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:01 PM
    Wondergirl

    That's the point of root canal, to kill the nerve. I certainly wouldn't try anything myself. Just because your mouth is numb, that doesn't mean messing with a certain tooth will be painless. He's got to really anesthetize the tissue all round the right tooth.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:01 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    That isnt a good reason to do a root canal on a good tooth. There are other ways to correct the discomfort on a long term basis without invasive surgery.

    tick

    But several dentist saw it and said I needed a root canal. UGH it's getting so fustrating.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:03 PM
    Wondergirl

    Do any dentists in your area use sedation? My son swears by it.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:03 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't. I would think that whatever you try to do to kill the nerve is going to hurt more than what you felt at the dentist!

    Is the pain still real bad now?

    Not at this very moment. I think the numbness is still in effect. He filled the open space with some white stuff. Perhaps that's stopping the pain. So, what are other possible options (besides root canal)?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:04 PM
    flossie
    I suggest you wait for a few days. Let the antibiotics and advil kick in. For better pain relief at the present you could alternate Advil and Tylenol every 2 hours. Take 2 Advil now and in 2 hours take 2 Tylenol and keep that pattern going until the pain is under control.

    Only take these if you aren't allergic to them!
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:04 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mini_Her View Post
    But several dentist saw it and said I needed a root canal. UGH it's getting so fustrating.

    Yes, this whole thread is getting out of hand, Mini because nothing can be resolved because we can't see what has been done and we don't know your oral history.

    Tick
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:05 PM
    flossie
    The white stuff is probably cotton. If the pain gets unbearable, like there is pressure building up in the tooth, remove the cotton.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:05 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Do any dentists in your area use sedation? My son swears by it.

    That's what my dentist suggested--that I find a dentist who does sedation. But would it make me stay asleep throughout the procedure? Would I wake up during the procedure? Severe pain usually wakes a person up, you know..
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:06 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    The white stuff is probably cotton. If the pain gets unbearable, like there is pressure building up in the tooth, remove the cotton.

    Don't think it's cotton. It doesn't feel like it. But if I remove the cotton, wouldn't that be dangerous, considering my tooth is open? The dentist had started drilling to open the tooth... that's why he filled it before I left.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:09 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    I suggest you wait for a few days. Let the antibiotics and advil kick in. For better pain relief at the present you could alternate Advil and Tylenol every 2 hours. Take 2 Advil now and in 2 hours take 2 Tylenol and keep that pattern going until the pain is under control.

    Only take these if you aren't allergic to them!

    Thanks... Never thought of that.. Every 2 hours? Do you know if Amoxicillian really kills infections?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:10 PM
    flossie
    If pressure builds up then removing the cotton will relieve the pain caused by the pressure.

    There are a couple of ways to have sedation. One is conscious sedation, you are awake and can respond through the whole procedure but you really don't care about what is happening. The other is general anesthetic where you are put to sleep. You will not wake up until the procedure is over. When you are put "under" you are as close to being in a comatose state as you can safely be. You WON'T be waking up because you WON'T feel ANYTHING!
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:10 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mini_Her View Post
    That's what my dentist suggested--that I find a dentist who does sedation. But would it make me stay asleep throughout the procedure? Would I wake up during the procedure? Severe pain usually wakes a person up, ya know..

    It's a sort of twilight sleep. I had it done with a colonoscopy last fall, and there's no pain or memory, quick recovery, yet I could follow directions if the doctor told me to move left or right. My son has never remembered any pain or uncomfortableness, had four procedures done at one time over 2.5 hours (mostly fillings). You shouldn't wake up, and you shouldn't experience any pain.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:11 PM
    flossie
    Yes, amoxicillin is the ideal antibiotic for oral infections.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:13 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    If pressure builds up then removing the cotton will relieve the pain caused by the pressure.

    There are a couple of ways to have sedation. One is conscious sedation, you are awake and can respond through the whole procedure but you really don't care about what is happening. The other is general anesthetic where you are put to sleep. You will not wake up until the procedure is over. When you are put "under" you are as close to being in a comatose state as you can safely be. You WON'T be waking up because you WON'T feel ANYTHING!

    OHHH OK! I guess that's what the dentist tried to explain. I didn't clearly understand him. He said one sedation calling laughing gas would make me feel "high"... I guess that's the first sedation that you mentioned? The second sedation seems better. It's better to not feel anything. But suppose I do try the laughing gas sedation, would I feel the pain? I understand you said it would take my mind away and I won't care but that doesn't seem to be less painful.
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:15 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    It's a sort of twilight sleep. I had it done with a colonoscopy last fall, and there's no pain or memory, quick recovery, yet I could follow directions if the doctor told me to move left or right. My son has never remembered any pain or uncomfortableness, had four procedures done at one time over 2.5 hours (mostly fillings). You shouldn't wake up, and you shouldn't experience any pain.

    LOL... Wow. So you were asleep but able to respond and move at the doctor's request?
  • Aug 23, 2010, 05:15 PM
    Mini_Her
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flossie View Post
    Yes, amoxicillin is the ideal antibiotic for oral infections.

    Even if the tooth has been painful for over a year?

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