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Originally Posted by faithl

>>I disagree, Men go out to hang out with each other and to have fun. Does not mean he is out to screw around

NO NO NO. I am sick and tired of men using this as a lame excuse. So men cannot hang out and have fun without looking at women taking their clothes off and writhing around pretending to have orgasms? Can men not go out for once without their genitalia being involved? Is that not just a tad pathetic? This is just an excuse to get off watching other women. Either you respect your girlfriend or you don't. Either you can keep your penis under control or you can't. If you can't, don't commit to a relationship, just go to strip joints and drool as much as you like, have one night stands, watch porn, do whatever it takes to keep Mr Penis happy. If all you care about is getting your rocks off, don't get a girlfriend. It's as simple as that.

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Oh Faithl, between hunting, fishing, golf, surfing the net, taking out the garbage and fetching pickles and ice cream, do I really need an excuse to drink beer and watch them shake it? Don't you think that twice a year I can give Mr. Penis something to holler about? Oh please let me hoot and holler twice a year with my hollering buddies. I promise to come home after I spend the lousy 10 bucks that is my allowance and tie myself to your apron strings again.:rolleyes: :eek:

As a male, who wants to be a regular at a strip club when my local tavern is more my price range? We can always hoot and holler at the bar maid.:p

Sorry to poke fun at such a serious subject, but if it's that serious, please seek help, Unless the guy goes everyday then don't take a man thing so serious. Just my opinion!! If you had to put up with Mr. Penis, you would want to hoot and holler every now and then with the boys too.

But this is what bugs me - the whole excuse of it being 'a men thing'. If you're single, fine. Do what you like, it's not going to affect anyone. If you're with someone, why the need? Why can't you see that paying to go and watch other women - other women who are arguably better toned/bigger breastsed etc than the average female - is going to offend the person you claim to love? How would you feel if it were the other way round - if your girl was paying to watch handsome, hunky men take off their underwear?

I have lots of male friends, plenty of them are what you would call hot-blooded males, none of them would even think about going to a strip club. It's nothing to do with guilt, or religious issues, it's because they have respect. If I had a partner I wouldn't dream of going to watch men take their clothes off, and I'm a hot blooded female! Admiring someone in the street isn't the same thing. I'm just so dismayed that so few people seem to understand how aggrevating this is - it's not the first post Ive read of an upset woman trying to cope with her partner going to watch strangers strip so clearly there is a problem.

And OK, you have Mr Penis, well what about... how can I put this delicately? I can't,so lets just say how about women's sexual needs? Contrary to popular belief we get as frustrated as men and between massaging our boyfriend's ego, making his dinner and fixing him drinks, maybe we'd like to let loose a bit also? ;) But then, would that be a problem for our men? I think it would, especially if he was toned and handsome and knew how to shake it! :eek:

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How would you feel if it were the other way round - if your girl was paying to watch handsome, hunky men take off their underwear?

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Not a problem, I'm not the least bit intimadated by the competition. Why should I be?

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It's not the first post Ive read of an upset woman trying to cope with her partner going to watch strangers strip so clearly there is a problem.

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I would have a problem with it being over done, but if the problem is an issue, then honest communication is what's needed. But not trusting the man is an issue also that is just as important. Some things just have to be ironed out and compromised on, and personal problems have to be personally worked on. We are all different in what we like and how we live.

faithl disagrees: Hardly an over reaction. How would you like your girlfriend to get off watching naked men writh around on stage?

First of all this women told her guy that it was okay for him to go out with his friends. She trusted him enough to go out. It is not a regular routine. Now he wants to go out a second time with his friends. What is the problem, there should be no problem there was no problem the first time. It is not a regular occurrence.

Joe

>>Jesushelper76 disagrees: Your men bashing, it is uncalled for. Women do the same thing. So you can get stuffed. You're an angry person that needs a better way to vent anger instead of bashing people.

I can 'get stuffed' for voicing my opinion? And 'man bashing' implies I am offending every single man on the planet, but every single man on the planet doesn't go to strip clubs, believe it or not. I may make a passionate argument yes, but telling me to find a better way to vent my anger after telling me to get stuffed isn't exactly eloquent or persuasive. I'm impassioned because I believe women can do better then stick with men who want to get their rocks off watching other women get naked, that's my opinion. What are YOU so angry for?

>>agrees: Amen to your answer. God help this person. Full of anger and hatred towards somebody in her life and taking it out on everybody

Oh and I've just spotted this gem, jesushelper! Contrary to your opinion I am not full of hatred or anger towards anybody - I am PASSIONATE in my arguments, yes. If I really was full of hate and anger, I'd be taking a leaf out of your book and tell people to get stuffed.

I agree with Faithl, OK, so her argument may have been a bit vitriolic sounding, but there was no need to be rude - my boyf really hurt me by going to a strip club, even thougj I asked him not to - he said the same thing, it was just boys messing about. Well no it wasn't, actually. They woud talk about the girls and some of the things they said turned my stomach, he even said when we were arguing that he wished I looked like one! So no, they aren't just places men hang out, if you want to hang out you can do so without hurting your girlfriend

I have to say - that I think that this is an individual choice. Personally, I don't care if my husband goes to a strip club. As a matter of fact, most of the time he goes - he's with me. (We are talking 2x a year - MAYBE) And when we come home, we have mind blowing sex. It is just walking into a fantasy for us. No big deal. We have been together a lot of years and going to a club together is one way that we keep a spark.
We have our 9 to 5's and a child that demands a lot of our attention. So, every once and a while - we let loose.
And yes, he has been without me. Again, no big deal. The only reason one of those girls cozies up to him is because he's holding $$. When that is gone, so are they.

If someone wants to go and let off some steam and just forget what waits outside of the doors - then they should. It really is not a big deal.

A woman will side with a woman to comfort her and that is OK. However there is not thought in what that person had said. I can see the anger if there was a brothel brought into the equation, however that is not the case. Men like to be macho and hang with there buds doesn't mean they are hanging with their puds. Someone once told me that the naked body was the most beautiful thing in the world. But that doesn't mean they were looking at the hardcore part of nudity.

What I have not understood is the fear that some females have of being compared to the strippers and feeling threatened by them. Is this not insecurity or a lack of trust? Why is it that some take this past time so personally? I know some are more liberal and secure in there thinking but is the strip club the real issue here? Or what kind of man they have?

I don't think it is necessarily always insecurity or a lack of trust... sometimes I think it can feel like a lack of respect. I know my husband would never cheat, and I know he likes my body, so I don't feel insecure about how I look or anything. And I still wouldn't want him to go. I don't think I'd get totally ticked if he did it anyway, but in a way that is difficult to explain, I guess it would be hurtful if he were openly ogling other women.