In our country, the feds have five basic responsibilities. 1. Establish Justice, 2.Insure domestic Tranquility 3.Provide for the common defense 4.Promote the general Welfare. 5.Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
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In our country, the feds have five basic responsibilities. 1. Establish Justice, 2.Insure domestic Tranquility 3.Provide for the common defense 4.Promote the general Welfare. 5.Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
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Originally Posted by Athos
Similar sentiments can be found in Wikipedia.Quote:
Originally Posted by https://www.diffen.com/difference/Left_Wing_vs_Right_Wing
Wikipedia places fascism on the Right, but I think this is a mistake on their part...lets examine the description of fascism there:
Massive changes = Left (Conservative is on the right)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Powerful State, control of economic production = Left (Communism is on the Left)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Still sounds leftish to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Loving the other leftists? Not for long (Marxists promoted internationalism, while Fascists promoted nationalism).Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Sound familiar? Go leftists!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Socialism does not work. Socialist policies seem acceptable in a capitalist society, however, the end goal of socialism is communism (Lenin)...which doesn't work at all. Capitalism, on the other hand, has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
As a matter of fact, socialist policies tend to do the opposite of what people say it does.
Higher taxation (especially the more progressive taxation) slows growth and investment, creates wage stagnation, and provides overall lower government revenue.
Healthcare regulation and policies like ObamaCare have driven healthcare costs through the roof.
An increase in federal stimulus payments has lead to the lowest labor participation rate since the 70's.
The social security program is nearly broke.
Farm subsidies keep food costs high, create billions in waste every year, and largely benefit the rich.
The public school system is a disaster (economically and educationally).
Corporate bail-outs give incentive for poorly run corporations and their leaders.
The government funding of transportation is a boondoggle wasting billions at a time on failed ideas.
And they tell us, we need more government control and more social programs!
Capitalism would work better, if we let it.
Please list three ways capitalism would work better.Quote:
Originally Posted by InfoJunkie4Life
Abolish the Federal reserve, reduce banking regulations, force banks to carry their own risk, bring back the gold standard. (FDIC might be OK, if people who wanted pay for it)
--This would nearly stop inflation. This would strengthen the US dollar. Inflation is a government tax on savings. This would be equivalent to a 2-6% raise for everyone while protecting any liquid assets from devaluation.
Eliminate all health insurance regulation, regulate cost and treatment transparency among providers, reduce the FDA footprint in the industry.
--While this would cause quite a stir, the insurance companies would no longer be able to dictate the cost of healthcare when millions drop out of the game, bring down cost among providers, reduce the need for insurance, eliminate the bureaucratic barriers the account for more than 20% of healthcare costs.
End all entitlement programs and progressive taxes and end the minimum wage.
--This would incentivize individual responsibility, allow for increased upward class mobility, reward good behavior, eliminate government debt, and increase private demands on corporations to treat their workers fairly. Regarding the poor, sick, and elderly...there would be less need overall, but that can be subsidized privately by good people as it was for 150yrs of US history.
These, combined with financial literacy training in schools would put the power in the hands of the people and capitalism would take off like a rocket.
1. Reward. Those who have the courage and innovative ideas to start new products get to reap the rewards.
2. General prosperity. There has never been a system more useful for the prosperity of the middle class than capitalism, better known, in my view, as free enterprise. As jobs increase, as they did under the Trump admin, everyone benefits.
3. Freedom. The forgotten word of our age. We have the freedom to either take our own ideas and advance them, or assist someone else in his or her economic adventure.
Please list three disadvantages of capitalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by InfoJunkie4Life
1. Corporatism often results in abuse of workers. This was prominently seen during the industrial revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
2. Pollution could greatly increase, if the top players are left unchecked.
3. Again, as seen during the industrial revolution, monopolization is often the result of unchecked capitalism.
I would like to point out though, that we have checks against these, and although lacking, I am not opposed to these things. We could strengthen worker protections, enforce the antitrust laws, and get the EPA out of the corporation's pockets.
so basically slave labour, monopolies, pollution and we should tolerate this, why? it seems both systems lead down the same road, only the propaganda differs
Slave labor? Really? Average annual wage U.S. is 46 U.S. dollars an hour. Average annual wage is Australia is 44 Aussie dollars which converts to about 33 U.S. dollars. Sounds like the slave labor is more on your side of the pond.Quote:
so basically slave labour, monopolies, pollution and we should tolerate this, why?
What monopolies are you referring to?
What pollution problem in the U.S. is worse than in China or Australia, especially considering that our population is about ten times greater than yours?
Once again, I just don't think your facts are straight.
WG, I don't know of a disadvantage of free enterprise per se other than when monopolies are allowed to run wild. Slave labor and excess pollution have nothing to do with capitalism. What disadvantages would you list?
WHo has more million/billionaires, the serious skews these figures...Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You ranted about some earlier in this thread....Quote:
What monopolies are you referring to?
These mega-corps.
As I understand those stats, salaried employees do affect hourly wage stats, but I don't think incomes from capital gains or incomes from privately owned businesses do. Would have to double check that.Quote:
WHo has more million/billionaires, the serious skews these figures...
If we go by average annual wage, which is calculated simply by dividing total income by total working population, the U.S. still has a significant advantage by 65K per year vs. 54K in Australia, but that is one that high income earners would skew some. Teachers, for instance, earn an average of 62K in the U.S. They earn 55K in U.S. dollars in Australia. My point, of course, was that any comment about "slave labor" was simply ignorant.
You mean the ones that your ranted on and on were actually NOT monopolies? Kind of selective with your views, aren't you?Quote:
You ranted about some earlier in this thread....
These mega-corps.
However once you take into account major outgoings and differences, such as health insurance and other costs of living the picture becomes alot clearer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You are comparing different fruits again.
Fine. Show us the numbers. Until then it's just pure conjecture on your part that has the ring of prejudice.Quote:
However once you take into account major outgoings and differences
Not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You are the one comparing US and Aus salaries, without addressing the obvious differences.
What's the average monthly outgoing for health insurance for a US citizen.
There's a lot to be said for universal health care.
Canada, Aus and UK pay for basic health care as part of our employment taxation, which is centrally managed by Government.
Private healthcare is available at an additional cost, but not compulsory for a decent life.
Still no numbers. All conjecture. What about the extra tax burden borne by Aussies? Did you factor that in?
Until I see the math, you have no case. But even at that, my original point was that the "slave labor" comment was just ridiculous and had no connection with reality. The comparison of teacher salaries was pretty enlightening considering that their med insurance is typically provided here as well as a generous retirement program.
I asked YOU to consider the differences in salary between USA and Aus.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Bearing in mind that Aus has universal healthcare and therefore don't have the mandatory additional outgoings from their salaries.
(The same is true for Canada and UK)
It is YOUR conjecture that Aus salaries are close to slavery, therefore it is up to you to actually give a balanced picture rather than relying on misleading headline figures.
Just to remind what YOU said:
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, you did not. You are claiming that their lower wages are made up by government programs, but you have done nothing to demonstrate that other than just asking us to take your word for it. Ain't gonna happen with me. Prove your point with data.Quote:
I asked YOU to consider the differences in salary between USA and Aus.
Again. Do the math.Quote:
Bearing in mind that Aus has universal healthcare and therefore don't have the mandatory additional outgoings from their salaries.
(The same is true for Canada and UK)
Total lie. I have never said or even implied that. You need to either show where I said it, or correct your statement. That was a statement (slave labor) made by Clete about capitalism. I have presented no conjecture at all. I have SHOWN WITH DATA that wages in the U.S. are higher than in Australia. That is no criticism of Australia or praise of the United States. It was simply to demonstrate that his "slave labor" statement was ridiculous.Quote:
It is YOUR conjecture that Aus salaries are close to slavery, therefore it is up to you to actually give a balanced picture rather than relying on misleading headline figures.
And the award for twisting whatever is posted to suit their own agenda goes to.....
Back to the thread in hand please.
nanny state ala Francese .......
Wide scale protests across France with protesters calling for the head (resignation ) of Macron , following his announcement that a digital health pass would be required in all "bars, restaurants, amusement parks, shopping centers, trains, coaches and planes."
All those silly French lacking "common sense "<sarc>
There are also protests in Greece .
Thankfully there are still those abroad who value the worth of freedom.
My characterization of CB's post as a "lie" was too harsh. My apologies. It would have been much better to have said he was mistaken in his understanding of my comment.
apparently you can, witness JL's last postQuote:
sorry can't resist
The Taliban spokesman got a question about freedom of speech and he said the question should be asked to US companies like Facebook who claim to promote it while still censoring
What is "freedom of speech"?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What answer did the Taliban spokesman get?
Spokesperson Suhail Shaheen said prior to that ..The Taliban “believes in freedom of speech” and suggested those rights will extend to women in Afghanistan During an appearance on Sky News on Tuesday, Shaheen said: “We are committed to women’s rights to education, to work and for freedom of speech.”
“We believe all citizens should be equal in the sight of law and there should not be any kind of discrimination."
The Taliban has been spreading the message of jihad on Twitter ;a forum Trump is still banned on .His complaint was that Facebook still considers the Taliban terrorists . They also vowed to honor women's rights ......within the context of Sharia law . This is the more kinder gentler Taliban
I think WG's point is that freedom of speech does not extend to the private enterprises. That's true so fair enough, but when there is a concerted effort to shut down fair and honest exchanges of ideas on these media giants, then perhaps it's time to start looking at their monopolies needing to be broken up.
Also seems strange that FB cannot be compelled to allow free and open exchanges of ideas, but bakeries can be forced to participate in gay weddings. Doesn't pass the smell test.
Funny I did not divine that in the question. Guess I have to brush up on my Socratic method .Anyway I'm sure the complaint press did not probe.Quote:
I think WG's point is that freedom of speech does not extend to the private enterprises.
My own opinion is public companies like it or not have become the public square . This is doubly true when companies like Facebook has been proven to be the mouthpiece of the government .
Not to mention most of the media proving to be cheerleaders for the Democrat party.Quote:
This is doubly true when companies like Facebook has been proven to be the mouthpiece of the government .
Gay dollar bills are just as green as cis dollar bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
There are gay dollar bills
Happy, happy money!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Freedom of conscience for straight individuals, and for that matter ALL individuals, is more important than anyone's green dollar bills. Some things, amazingly enough, are more important than money.
I'm reminded of the opening chorus from South Pacific, don't know why, maybe those were times that were really gay and happyQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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