[tomder55]

if you are really interested I gave you the primary source.

[jlisenbe]

Tom posted, "you can read the transcript here," and then posted the link.

WG replied, "No. YOU tell me what he then said." That's a rather bizarre reply from a person who was once a librarian and an author. You can't take a link and read what it says?

[jlisenbe]

At any rate, here is the relevant section. Took about five minutes to get this.

TW: There's one, there's one, though, that this one is troubling to me. And I say that because I think we need to tell the story. Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this. And the fact is, is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up. He was very clear. I mean, he lost this election, and he said he didn't. One hundred and forty police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day, some with the American flag. Several later died. And it wasn't just in there. In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in St. Paul and said we're marching to the Governor's residence and there may be casualties. The only person there was my son and his dog, who was rushed out crying by state police. That issue. And Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence. Mike Pence made the right decision. So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over and over. I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said, as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election. You shake hands and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win. That's, that's what was at stake here. Now, the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that imprisoning your political opponents already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this. And a President's words matter. A President's words matter. People hear that. So I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6, the first time in American history that a President or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power. And here we are four years later in the same boat. I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner. This has got to stop. It's tearing our country apart.
NO: Margaret.
MB: Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?
JDV: Yeah, well, look, Tim, first of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country. We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election. And of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win. But if Tim Walz is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it. But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections. Hillary Clinton in 2016 said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought, like, $500,000 worth of Facebook ads. This has been going on for a long time. And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board. But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had. I don't buy that.

The question that should be addressed is this. Which party is it that is attempting to imprison its political opponents?

[tomder55]

That question is obvious . Jack Smith has a 165 page indictment which is nothing more than a Dem talking point designed to undermine Trump's election chances . Judge Chutkan has approved it's release for the final days of the campaign.

Meanwhile the DOJ is sitting on an IG report about how many agent provocateurs they had infiltrate the Jan 6 demonstration.

[Wondergirl]

Tom posted, "you can read the transcript here," and then posted the link.

WG replied, "No. YOU tell me what he then said." That's a rather bizarre reply from a person who was once a librarian and an author. You can't take a link and read what it says?

Why didn't Tomder finish the sentence and tell us that too? Why? Because it negated tomder's slam.

[tomder55]

it negates nothing. Walz is pointing fingers at Trump while it is the Dems that have been trying to imprison their political opponent . Trump was President for 4 years . How many political opponents did he throw in jail ? The Dems have been trying since the moment Trump announced he was running in 2016 . That's almost a decade of lawfare against him.

[Wondergirl]

it negates nothing. Walz is pointing fingers at Trump while it is the Dems that have been trying to imprison their political opponent .

He was found guilty on 34 felony counts. He is a womanizer and has cheated on two wives! He uses women and said how easy it is to grab 'em by the pu--y! Most of the businesses he started have failed. He hates anyone not white (and women are men's lesser halves and must kiss their a--es). He hasn't read the Bible but hawks it to get money. Have you ever read anything he wrote? Didn't think so. And when speaking publically (and privately?), he has an annoying habit of moving his arms back and forth like he's playing a concertina.

[jlisenbe]

He is a womanizer and has cheated on two wives! He uses women and said how easy it is to grab 'em by the pu--y!

Are you talking about Bill Clinton?

Most of the businesses he started have failed.

He has been a fantastically successful businessman.

He hates anyone not white (and women are men's lesser halves and must kiss their a--es).

A completely foolish statement fed by TDS.

He hasn't read the Bible but hawks it to get money

How do you know he hasn't read the Bible? TDS at work again?

And when speaking publically (and privately?), he has an annoying habit of moving his arms back and forth like he's playing a concertina.

Oh Lawsy!! He moves his hands while he's speaking? How awful!

[tomder55]

He was found guilty on 34 felony counts.

From a DA who campaigned that he would get Trump . From a NYC jury pool that voted overwhelmingly against Trump . For alleged crimes where the alleged victims denied that he had done anything wrong. With charges inflated . With a NY prosecutor making Federal charges that the Feds chose to not pursue . With never being told what he was being charged with until the Prosecution's closing . With the judge giving improper instructions to the jury . With his due process denied a hundred times .With convictions and penalty judgements that will be overturned . 'The appeals court panel has already indicated much of the case will be overturned .

At a hearing in Manhattan, members of a five-judge panel questioned both the size of the judgment and the validity of the case, which New York’s attorney general brought against the former president and his family business two years ago.

Trump’s Huge Civil Fraud Penalty Draws Skepticism From Appeals Court - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Prior to Mr. Trump’s New York prosecution, it would have been unthinkable for a local or state prosecutor to prosecute a federal candidate predicated on whether or how his campaign reported—or failed to report—contributions or expenditures. In 2019 the FEC investigated whether Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign failed to disclose millions in contributions from an outside political action committee. The agency deadlocked, and no penalties were imposed. In 2022 the FEC levied $113,000 in civil penalties against Mrs. Clinton’s campaign for violating FECA because it improperly coded as “legal services,” rather than campaign expenditures, money paid to Christopher Steele for production of the “dossier” that fueled the Russia-collusion hoax. In neither instance did any state or local prosecutor indict Mrs. Clinton under state election law based on failure to disclose these contributions or expenditures properly.

Why Trump’s Conviction Can’t Stand - WSJ

[tomder55]

And when speaking publically (and privately?), he has an annoying habit of moving his arms back and forth like he's playing a concertina.

and Kam the Sham laughs for no apparent reason . Not good reasons to vote for or against a candidate .

[tomder55]

And Kam like Clueless Joe plagiarizes.

The Kamala Harris plagiarism row is a disaster for her campaign (telegraph.co.uk)


lol she took passages from Wiki !!!!! Or should I say her ghost writer did

[jlisenbe]

But she is in favor of abortion no matter how far into the pregnancy it occurs. That will win her many votes among the females of the land. And to be clear, I'm speaking of females with a vagina and a uterus, not the ones with male plumbing.

[tomder55]

And when speaking publically (and privately?), he has an annoying habit of moving his arms back and forth like he's playing a concertina.


Oh Lawsy!! He moves his hands while he's speaking? How awful!

[tomder55]

[tomder55]

The compliant press is running cover for the Kam plagiarism scandal. They found an "expert " to declare it aint no biggie

“This amount of plagiarism amounts to an error and not an intent to defraud,” he said, adding that Mr. Rufo had taken relatively minor citation mistakes in a large amount of text and tried to “make a big deal of it.”

Conservative Activist Seizes on Passages From Harris Book - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

[jlisenbe]

The Times headline is telling. "Conservative Activist Seizes on..." In other words, it's only the rantings of a conservative, so that fact that KH plagiarized is no big deal. After all, Trump waves his hands when he speaks!!

[Wondergirl]

But she is in favor of abortion no matter how far into the pregnancy it occurs. That will win her many votes among the females of the land. And to be clear, I'm speaking of females with a vagina and a uterus, not the ones with male plumbing.

And she is so correct! Girls and women get raped, pregnancies happen with abusive husbands (and yes, she should leave him), a female might not realize she's pregnant until the third or even fourth month and a baby will cause serious health problems or even kill her, cause serious medical problems, AND the obstetrician may determine that the fetus has life-threatening problems, like has no head or other horrible physical or interbal problems. Women don't just willy nilly say, "Ho hum, gee whiz, I don't want this baby" and will get an abortion.

And it takes about eight seconds for a male to impregnate her and then he can wash his hands of any pregnancy that comes from his sexual pleasuring.

[jlisenbe]

in favor of abortion no matter how far into the pregnancy it occurs.

To which WG replied, "And she is so correct!" So an abortion in the seventh or eighth month is just fine. That's chilling. So much for the amazing value of human lives.

Women don't just willy nilly say, "Ho hum, gee whiz, I don't want this baby" and will get an abortion.

You're living in a self-induced dream world, brought on by the need to try to defend the indefensible. Women have abortions frequently because they simply don't want the baby. The data is very clear.

Even worse, only 30% of women having abortions are white. 40% are black. Some racial motives at work here, you think? Sure looks suspicious, doesn't it?

[Wondergirl]

To which WG replied, "And she is so correct!" So an abortion in the seventh or eighth month is just fine. That's chilling. So much for the amazing value of human lives.

Yes, if that abortion has been medically determined and advised, not just a willynilly wannabe. If your wife will very probably die before the baby's birth, would you sacrifice your wife for that baby that may be a medical disaster?

You're living in a self-induced dream world, brought on by the need to try to defend the indefensible. Women have abortions frequently because they simply don't want the baby. The data is very clear.

That's not true! Where are you getting this information??? Making it up? If women are having frequent abortions, tell all the men in this country to stop having sex with them! It's the man's fault that there's a baby there in the first place. If the women get abortions, where are the men who created that baby?

Even worse, only 30% of women having abortions are white. 40% are black. Some racial motives at work here, you think? Sure looks suspicious, doesn't it?

Where did you get those figures? Even so, tell those Black etc. men to stop f--king Black etc. women!!! Masturbate instead.

[jlisenbe]

Here is where the data came from. I still think that the preponderance of black abortions sure makes all of you abortion supporters look mighty racist.

How many abortions occur in the US? (usafacts.org)

As for the rest of your post, it's all window dressing. There is only one question that's important. Is the unborn child a living human being? If it is, then the only acceptable reason for an abortion is to preserve the life of the mother, and that situation basically does not occur anymore other than ectopic pregnancies. But if the unborn child is just a useless collection of cells, then having an abortion is of no more importance than having a tooth pulled.

As to the participation of men, I have said here for years that sex should be reserved for marriage. You are the one who is unwilling to go there.