[paraclete]

Oh wonderful attitude, I'm all right Jack, and screw you, and for every one of them there are ten in the unemployment quque. Some people do need help, impoverished areas need a push to attract industry, business need finance and that includes bank loans and a cutting away of regulation and red tape

[tomder55]

business need finance and that includes bank loans and a cutting away of regulation and red tape

I would say that's the 1st step. Then when those businesses are thriving ,the additional tax revenue from the expanded tax base pays the debt obligations to do infrastructure.

It should be clear that stimulant policies have been a big bust... why we would continue with them is beyond me.

And Ex's business ? Well I bet if he did maintenance work ,it wouldn't be putting solar panels on his roof in cloudy Seattle. Maybe in Seattle his busiiness is constantly facing bureacratic hurdles that eat away at that seed corn so has neither the funds for employee retention or maintenance . Maybe he is paying an inflated tax rate to pay for public service employees who's benefits are better than he could ever hope to offer his employees . Maybe he has a business that the community leaders for some reason or another have decided they don't want in their neighborhood . Maybe he would move that business to a place that was more business friendly ;in a different state perhaps ?
Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Press Release] Gov. Perry Meets with Delegation of California Leaders to Discuss Economic Development

[paraclete]

maybe Ex would benefit from putting in wind generators instead of solar, must be some wind up there. Reality is stimulation only works for a while and if it isn't put in the right place it doesn't work at all. If an industry can't stand alone because it is what the public want, then it will eventually go. Where I live the pizza industry is a case in point. Ten years ago it flourished and it should have, university town, lots of opportunity and then it went into decline and is still declining and indian restraurants appear to have risen in its place. What happened, the GFC happened and suddenly people didn't have that little extra to spend, healthy diets happened, changed community attitude, should the government have stepped in with a stimulation package? It couldn't because like some many businesses this was small business, its gone before you realise its going. Solar is another case in point, heavily stimulated and then the winds of change blew and government stepped back, the community only wanted it because it was subsidised, not because they saw intrinsic value in the product. Another small business down the tube.

[tomder55]

Hello again, Steve:

What THIS says.

excon

http://crankytrex.blogspot.com/2012/...-julianne.html

[paraclete]

What a lovely phantasy land you live in

[tomder55]

what a lovely phantasy land you live in

You mean the dystopian vision of the President that portrays women as being completely dependent on the Leviathan nanny state to succeed ?
As Denis Miller says ;"The Left believes in cradle to the grave assistance, it's just sometimes really tricky making it to the cradle". What the President's narrative doesn't mention is that Julia may not make it to birth .

[paraclete]

you mean the dystopian vision of the President that portrays women as being completely dependent on the Leviathan nanny state to succeed ?
As Denis Miller says ;"The Left believes in cradle to the grave assistance, it's just sometimes really tricky making it to the cradle". What the President's narrative doesn't mention is that Julia may not make it to birth .

Tom just as an aside let me ask you which side of politics put in place positive discrimation?what did you call it; affirmative action? which allowed women and blacks to rise and play more important role in the economy. Shouldn't have been necessary in a fair minded place such as where you live but your republican friends hadn't thought of it and wouldn't have thought of it. It took the state in the form of democrats to do it. So he is right, women and minorities need the government to succeed, to create an environment where they can succeed, where they are lifted out of the oppression of rabid capitalism and exploitation

[cdad]

Tom just as an aside let me ask you which side of politics put in place positive discrimation?what did you call it; affirmative action?, which allowed women and blacks to rise and play more important role in the economy. Shouldn't have been necessary in a fair minded place such as where you live but your republican friends hadn't thought of it and wouldn't have thought of it. It took the state in the form of democrats to do it. So he is right, women and minorities need the government to succeed, to create an environment where they can succeed, where they are lifted out of the oppression of rabid capitalism and exploitation

You really do need to brush up before speaking Clete. It was Nixon ( Republican President) that sign much of that into law.

It was republicans that got rid of slavery while fighting the democrats that wanted to keep it.

The democats have a poor track record when it comes to what actually gets done.

[tomder55]

You completely lose me when you equate equate structural and historical discrimination that of course needed reform to rabid capitalism and exploitation (a phrase I completely reject) . If you read the tripe on the President's fictional (or composite character which we now know he loves doing for creative literary license) Julia ,he is not talking about programs targeting gender discrimination ,or race discrimination . He is speaking of programs that he believes the general population need for success.
Without Head Start ;Race to the Top she can't succeed in school. The truth is that government funding has tripled in my life time while comparative learning of math ,science and literacy has seen no comparable positive results . These government planned solutions have not succeeded in creating a better educated population.The opposite has occurred . United States spends more money on education than any other country, yet our test scores for important core curricula keep falling.
There is a plan that was working however . It is one that targets a failed school system populated largely by minorities... the DC school system .The DC Opportunity Scholarship Program gives parents the opportunity for choice in their children's education . It works.. so of course the President has tried to shut the program down in his term.

Without government assistance she can't move on to higher education, The irony being that the rise in school costs have followed the rise in government assistance to attend colleges and that they have been a key factor in the cost increases .

His site talks of Julia getting covered under Obamacare until she's 26 . That is true of all yutes age 26 . What he doesn't say is that under Obamacare ,many employers will drop healthcare coverage for their employees because it will be cheaper to pay a fine ,and transfer their employees into government exchanges. (which is the goal of those who want single payer systems anyway) . What he fails to mention is that under the system before Obamacare ;she would've been eligible to stay on her parents plan while attending college anyway.

He talks of her being free of wage discrimination when the real problem right now is access to any job. We have had 39 straight months of over 8% unemployment with no end in sight ;and the figure would be higher if so many people weren't dropping out of the labor pool altogether . The trend now is for people to file for disability so they can permanently feed off the government trough .

Her life goes on and on dependent on the government for her health and wellbeing . She has a child too (maybe those free contraceptives weren't effective... we never do learn if she is married or even who the father is... I guess he disappears from the child's life in Obama's world ) .The son is swiftly shoved into the government school system and never heard from again.
She takes a loan for a web design business . Fine ;thousands of businesses have started that way before Obama.
She is next heard from when she is eligible for Medicare and Social Security . I guess we can presume that all the necessary reforms have happened to make them solvent by the time she retires .I kind of doubt it.

Secure in her government provided retirement ;she is free to volunteer at a community garden . Her life's goals fulfilled .

[paraclete]

Tom don't you think it is time we left fiction and dealt with reality. I understand Julia and Julianne and both stories are absolute crap, pure and unadulterated phantasy. Now I note that dad wants the republicans to take credit for civil rights, etc but they might have freed the slaves but they did nothing for them not recognising that education and opportunity was also important and a hundred years on, it took an uprising to do what should have been done long ago. What ever hand the republicans had in it was pure political opportunism so let's not give tricky richard any more credit than is due

But back to the little problem you now have which is how to remove a somewhat successful if inept President out of office with a mediocre candidate. Surely the electorate knows they were fooled once in the person of Bush and will not be fooled so easily again. Overreaction gets you more nightmares than you want to know and that devil you know might just be better than the one you don't

[excon]

As Denis Miller says ;"The Left believes in.....

Hello again, tom:

And, a few years ago, when his living depended on them, he LOVED the left...

I LOVE it when you guys cite losers like Dennis Miller and Mark Furhman... It doesn't CONVINCE anybody...

excon

[tomder55]

So let me get this straight .You think Miller switched to conservatism for economic opportunism ? Yeah conservatives fare so well in the Hollywierd and celebrity culture .

It is inconceivable that he like me had a genuine conversion...

[excon]

It is inconceivable that he like me had a genuine conversion...

Hello again, tom:

When somebody totally flip flops on their politics, I for one, wouldn't have the vaguest clue what they truly believe... You think you do, huh? Okee doakee.

excon

[paraclete]

Don't worry Ex Tom will be back come the revolution

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

When somebody totally flip flops on their politics, I for one, wouldn't have the vaguest clue what they truly believe... You think you do, huh? Okee doakee.

excon

I'll keep that in mind when the President comes out of the closet and announces that his evolving position has led him to embrace gay marriage.

[paraclete]

I'll keep that in mind when the President comes out of the closet and announces that his evolving position has led him to embrace gay marriage.

Did you have some advance notice of the policy shift Tom?

[tomder55]

No and I suspect he won't . But he is walking a tightwire on the issue because one of his constituencies would be upset if he told them that in fact ;he doesn't approve a gay marriage.

So over the weekend ;he sent out VP Biden to appease the base . Biden said It's a matter of "who do you love" . During a press conference yesteday Obama's butt monkey Jay Carney was confronted because he gave the standard Obama reply that the President's position was "evolving " .
Jake Tapper: Why not just come out and say it? | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

[speechlesstx]

Not a good night for Obama and the Dems last night. The traditional marriage amendment in NC won by a wide margin, 20.8 percent of Democrats expressed "no preference" in the Democratic presidential primary where Obama ran unopposed.

In Wisconsin Tom Barrett crushed his heavily union backed opponent 58/34 and will face Scott Walker who already beat him once and received more votes than both Democrats.

The biggest insult? A prison inmate came within 20 points of beating Obama in West Virginia. Obama doesn't stand a chance in WV anyway, but how embarrassing.

[tomder55]

In Wisconsin Tom Barrett crushed his heavily union backed opponent 58/34 and will face Scott Walker who already beat him once and received more votes than both Democrats.

Barrett is Mayor of Milwaukee. It is said that his town benefitted greatly by Walker's reforms .

Whereas Falk ,the unions preferred candidate ,would've restored collective bargaining for public sector unions by fiat ;Barrett says he would introduce it in a special legislative session. That means that even if he wins ;there is no guarantee of a return to the days before Walker .

Exit polling also shows that the general population is no wheres near as worked up over the issue that brought the recall ,as the mob that occupied the state capitol. Issues in the election will more resemble the boiler plate issues ,like jobs and unemployment, the environment,education spending and the phony war on women that will probably dominate the fall campaign. (good luck to Barrett on that war on women issues. He has a bunch of skeltons in his closet on that issue) .

[excon]

Exit polling also shows that the general population is no wheres near as worked up over the issue that brought the recall ,as the mob that occupied the state capitol..

Hello again, tom:

Down goes Walker.. I'll betcha $10,000.

excon