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    #161

    Dec 20, 2010, 05:52 AM

    I don't need to be there . I am relying on the testimony revealed and the judgement of the very liberal progressive Swedish justice system.
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    #162

    Dec 20, 2010, 05:57 AM
    There is no testimony. Where did you get transcripts of a court case when it hasn't gone to court?
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    #163

    Dec 20, 2010, 06:11 AM

    Right... not testimony... allegations revealed .
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    #164

    Dec 20, 2010, 07:24 AM
    I accept your apology.
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    #165

    Dec 21, 2010, 11:02 AM

    Wikileak will probably help condemn the main opposition leader in Malaysia to death.

    I don't want to hear anymore that these leaks are not causing severe damage.

    The reformist opposition leader ,Anwar Ibrahim, has been accused of having sex with a male political aide. The punishment for this is 20 years to death in Malaysia .

    Ibrahim has denied the charge and has called them politically motivated.
    But Wikileaks released a stolen document dated to 2008 . In the cable ,a Singapore intelligence official is quoted as saying to an Australian intel official that Ibrahim “did indeed commit the acts for which he is currently indicted” .

    The Malaysian press has been quick to pick up the leak and headlined that Singapore's spy agency verified the sodomy .
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    #166

    Dec 21, 2010, 11:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't want to hear anymore that these leaks are not causing severe damage.
    The leaks are not causing severe damage.

    I don't know where you live but in most places you cannot be convicted on hearsay. Look it up.
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    #167

    Dec 21, 2010, 11:44 AM

    In the conservative Muslim nation of Malaysia you can.
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    #168

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:00 PM
    We really should get a conservative muslim to offer their opinion on this versus someone who hates them.
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    #169

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:20 PM

    Assange seems to be angry with everyone now. Not a good thing to have an angry man with that kind of information.
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    #170

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:22 PM
    I would be too if I were held on trumped up charges and people I don't know were calling for my assassination.
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    #171

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:29 PM

    Some dipstick leaking secrets is upset that the someone leaked things about him. Cry me a river, did he expect people to play nice after holding the world hostage? I don't think so, karma's a b*tch as they say.
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    #172

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Some dipstick leaking secrets is upset that the someone leaked things about him. Cry me a river, did he expect people to play nice after holding the world hostage? I don't think so, karma's a b*tch as they say.
    Darth Vader: "The hate is strong with this one."
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    #173

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:34 PM

    He also falsely claimed that he leaked the Climategate emails. The man is delusional .
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    #174

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:35 PM

    There is nothing trumped up about the Stolen Classified Documents...

    Wonder how you would feel if he was stealing and selling medical records and credit card numbers that might include YOUR personal information?

    And Nobody yet has presented any evidence the Rape charges are trumped up either... other than a scumbag on the run internationally who has committed other high profile crimes claiming otherwise.

    I'll bet more than a few rape victims would take serious offense to insinuations that the women making the allegations are lying about it.

    After all, I haven't seen anything Assange has said or done yet that wants to make me believe he is anything but a lowlife scumbag.

    After all, his actions thus far make John Gotti seem like a legitimate businessman.

    I'd like to see Assange steal and post Obamas Colllege Transcripts and Birth Certificate. If he was as good as he claims lets see him pull that one off.
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    #175

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:39 PM

    You know the left and misogyny .
    While they try to carry the mantle of women's rights they defend the likes of Assange and Roman Polanski... and they remain mum about the abuse of women by jihadistan.
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    #176

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you know the left and misogyny .
    While they try to carry the mantle of women's rights they defend the likes of Assange and Roman Polanski ...and they remain mum about the abuse of women by jihadistan.
    You forgot defending the cases brought against Bill Clinton as well.
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    #177

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Nobody yet has presented any evidence the Rape charges are trumped up either....
    Actually there has been no evidence of rape provided at all, just an allegation.
    That's the nature of this type of case. The woman had previously agreed to have sex with him and is suggesting that the issue is that he initiated more sex while she was asleep. Which would be a crime under Swedish law, but would not be something where evidence could be collected. Of course you know the charges were brought at an earlier time and dismissed.
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    #178

    Dec 21, 2010, 12:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Actually there has been no evidence of rape provided at all, just an allegation.
    That's the nature of this type of case. The woman had previously agreed to have sex with him and is suggesting that the issue is that he initiated more sex while she was asleep. Which would be a crime under Swedish law, but would not be something where evidence could be collected. Of course you know the charges were brought at an earlier time and dismissed.
    We only know WHAT certain elements have wanted us to know about that case... and most of them were friendly to Assange. Obviously there WILL be a lot of evidence that is NOT released to the public by the prosecution... and certainly not before the actual trial. There was clearly enough evidence to not only get an arrest warrant issued, but to go through the trouble to pursue an extradition.

    That's a whole lot of trouble to go through for someone "that didn't do anything" as claimed by his supporters.

    Sweden isn't exactly known as the land of kangaroo courts... if he was innocent as his supporters claim... that should be easy for him to prove and legally put to rest, IN SWEDEN in the courts there. After all its hard to find a more lefty friendly place than that in the world.

    The right to an American style of presumption of innocense doesn't exist in every part of the Western Europe much less the entire world. And he certainly is neither American nor on US territory.
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    #179

    Dec 21, 2010, 04:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you know the left and misogyny .
    While they try to carry the mantle of women's rights they defend the likes of Assange and Roman Polanski ...and they remain mum about the abuse of women by jihadistan.
    Hi Tom,

    Is the above a dictionary definition of, 'misogyny?'
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    #180

    Dec 22, 2010, 03:58 AM

    Yes . There are many examples of this . We just finished an election here where the guy who is Governor-elect of California's staff was caught calling his opponent a 'whore'. Had that been a conservative the lefty's here would've made it a major news story for weeks. Instead it was brushed off as no big thing.

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