[speechlesstx]

Forgot to engage the sarcasm font.

[excon]

Forgot to engage the sarcasm font.

Hello again, Steve:

Oh, I understood the sarcasm.. What else can you do? Once a government VIOLATES a citizens rights, the discussion about how FAR they should go in VIOLATING a citizens rights begins to take on a Kafkaesque flavor. It's a discussion you'd expect the Mad Hatter to have.

excon

[tomder55]

The funny thing is that I have flown periodically my whole adult life. (metal detectors, X-ray machines and checks by private security officials). These were put in place to stop hijackings that were prevalent in the late 60's early 70's . Later DB Cooper introduced the idea that a passenger could bring a bomb on board .
I don't recall such outrage about the security screening that was routine and in place in the 3 decades prior to 9-11.

When exactly did it become an intrusive Constitutional violation ? Oh yeah ,when it involved the Bush Administration.

[excon]

When exactly did it become an intrusive Constitutional violation ? Oh yeah ,when it involved the Bush Administration.

Hello again, tom:

Not really. Putting my briefcase on the exray machine was a Constitutional violation too. I kind of like to move around freely WITHOUT being subject to search, like the Constitution says I can.

We've ALWAYS had crime. I think we should go after the criminals and NOT you and me, like the Constitution says. But, that isn't what we do. Call me a Constitutional purist. I'll live with it.

excon

[tomder55]

Well I'm convinced the biggest gripe is that airport security was nationalized . Therefore my solution is to privatize it again.

[Just_Another_Lemming]

Well, it looks like we are getting our lives back. We now have the option to purchase nifty underwear that will allow us to go through the screening process without getting groped in our special places! Afraid of the TSA body scanners? Try this new underwear - AfterDawn

Inventor Jeff Buske has said he has created new clothing products that should protect flyers from TSA body scanner radiation.
Additionally, the new bras and underwear should help flyers who want to keep their private parts a mystery.

Dubbed "Rocky Flats Gear," Buske says he does not care about the politics of the situation, but instead wants to protect citizens from unwanted radiation.

Isn't that nice of him? He doesn't care about the politics.



I sure hope he invents the underwear hat soon.

[NeedKarma]

Isn't that nice of him? He doesn't care about the politics.

Actually this is the interesting part of all this: I think constituents from both political sides are fed up with the TSA.

[paraclete]

oh I agree with the profiling and aggressive prosecution of the war . Quess we'll have to wait until Quatas is attacked to see how the Aussies respond.

I don't know anyone who wants to be blown out of the sky . When questioned the vast majority of Americans approve of the "inconvenience " . Then again ;most Americans don't fly.

Outside of Lockabe I don't think there have been many americans blown out of the sky, particularly when departing america.

There are many more airlines fly in and out of Australia than Qantas, Tom, each one has a risk of being attacked because of its destination, so far component manufacturers have caused more damage and disruption than terrorists. We have security measures at our airports but they are less intrusive than yours, but I have seen the nonsense of bottles of water confiscated and tubes of toothpaste searched even in my own luggage. All this searching is to be able to say we have a deterrent

[Wondergirl]

94% of U.S. T'giving travelers are going somewhere by car. Amtrak (train) use is up.

[paraclete]

Well I'm convinced the biggest gripe is that airport security was nationalized . Therefore my solution is to privatize it again.

So you think it would be a good idea to privatise it how would that solve this problem?
Airport pat-down leaves traveller covered in urine | News.com.au

[Just_Another_Lemming]

Actually this is the interesting part of all this: I think constituents from both political sides are fed up with the TSA.

LOL! I wasn't thinking about that. I thought his choice of words was funny. This isn't about politics. It is about the guy's bank account. He is going to bamboozle some people into thinking they are going to be safe from radiation and the groping hands of the TSA. How much area does that little fig leaf cover? Ovaries, testes, colon, liver, kidneys, brain,. are all still being bombarded with radiation. Not to mention after walking through the screener, the TSA worker bees will still grope you because they need to verify nothing is left uninspected.


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Paraclete, I saw that guy being interviewed this morning. Very disturbing incident. I really felt for the guy.

[Wondergirl]

Well I'm convinced the biggest gripe is that airport security was nationalized . Therefore my solution is to privatize it again.

Like Mayor Daley did the parking meters in Chicago?

Parking Meter Bill Passes, Bid Adieu to Free Sundays and Holidays - Chicagoist

[tomder55]

Easy . Travellers would have a choice since it is doubtful that all Airlines would adopt the same approach. Why not allow the airlines the responsibility ? They have the most to lose if a plane goes down .They have the biggest investment in ensuring a safe passage.

Also passengers can't sue the TSA for their ham-handed brutish behavior . But they could sue private security for these initimate probes that go beyond what most localities have determined are sexual assaults.

I'm not saying that the TSA has done a terrible job with security .But they are unaccountable as demonstrated by their harsh punitive reaction to people daring to opt out of the new x-ray spec devices.

The TSA was just another bad Democrat idea.

Yeah I said it!

A massive new airline security bureaucracy was a Democrat idea after 9-11 . The Republicans under D*ck (administrators... it's ridiculous I can't write a persons name because sometimes people use it as an obscenity!! ) Armey and Jim DeMint initially opposed it. The idea of a new federal work force manning the airport security was not something the Republicans believed in. But they lost that battle.

Everyone here thinks they don't make anything safer . So why not eliminate the TSA ? It would be a great first step in the government downsizing needed to eliminate the national debt.

[tomder55]

WG ;NYC meters are not privatized .Still Nanny state Mayor Bloomberg is jacking up meter rates as a way to close the budget gap.

Look . Liberal States and municipalities have over-spent for as long as I can remember . Now they are paying the piper because you can't always rely on a robust economy where tax revenues flow.

[NeedKarma]

The TSA was just another bad Democrat idea.

Yeah I said it!

A massive new airline security bureaucracy was a Democrat idea after 9-11

Transportation Security Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is an agency of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security responsible for security in all modes of transportation in the U.S.[1]

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act passed by the U.S. Congress, and signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 19, 2001. Originally organized in the U.S. Department of Transportation, the TSA was moved to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 25, 2003.

[excon]

The idea of a new federal work force manning the airport security was not something the Republicans believed in. But they lost that battle.

Hello again, tom:

How is it that the Republicans lost battles when they were in charge, but seem to win 'em all now that they're not? Are you telling me, that the Democrats STOOD UP to the Republicans?? Yeah, right...

excon

[tomder55]

No kidding .
I am aware that Bush signed it into law. I gave you the Congress opponents .It wasn't Dems .They were all on board . Note I did not mention the President or any Dem. As opponents ( even though they later made a big political issue about the Patriot Act ) .

Wiki is not giving you the whole story. TSA was a Democrat idea.

[tomder55]

Ex Republicans were in charge of the House only before 2002 . As you surely recall Jeffords switched parties and gave the Dems the majority in the Senate until the midterm elections .

[Wondergirl]

Why didn't Bush veto it?

[NeedKarma]

Interesting article: Who is behind the push for the body scanners?

The US media has had a field day, reporting the pros and cons of body scanning machines and pat-downs in the name of security. But one question they failed to ask is: who is behind the push for the body scanners?

As it turns out, former Secretary for the Department of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, now runs a security and risk management firm and one of his clients is Rapiscan, one of the biggest manufacturers of body scanning machines in the country. While the media continues to interview Chertoff about the value of body scanning machines, they fail to point out that he will benefit financially from the implementation of the machines.

"He's abusing his relationship with the public by pretending to be a public servant and talking about how these body scanners are going to make us safer… He stands to benefit because he's getting paid by the manufacturing companies to go all over the television networks saying that these scanners are the solution to security," said Kate Hanni, the director of Flyersrights.org, a non-profit dedicated to passengers rights.