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RickJ · Aug 17, 2010, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You know there are strip joints and stores selling X-rated DVD's in that same 2 block periphery.

I'm sure that's true. I've got the same thing just 3 miles from my house. I don't like it but I'd certainly understand if a bunch of terrorist strippers blew up my downdown area, this thread would be about whether a new strip club could be built or not.

NeedKarma · Aug 17, 2010, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That's no surprise, but fortunately for them we weren't attacked by porn stars on 9/11.

So you approve of strip joints at the hallowed Ground Zero then?

RickJ · Aug 17, 2010, 06:52 AM

Remember, folks that sometimes new laws are made for new circumstances.

I, for one, would support the City in requiring that the financiers of new construction at a site where terrorists have attacked should disclose their funding sources.

I don't know what the language should be, but that's why I'm not a city planner or code enforcement officer.

I'm just a humble parent, taxpayer and forumaholic.

NeedKarma · Aug 17, 2010, 06:54 AM

So what should go up at Ground Zero? It's been 10 years!

excon · Aug 17, 2010, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by RickJ

I don't like it but I'd certainly understand if a bunch of terrorist strippers blew up my downdown area, this thread would be about whether a new strip club could be built or not.

Hello again, to both Rick Steve:

Here's the DISTINCTION we need to make. We were NOT attacked by Muslims. We were attacked by terrorists who HAPPEN to BE Muslim. If we were attacked by MUSLIMS, they'd ALL be attacking us, and they're NOT.

Tiller, the abortion doctor, was killed by a fanatic CHRISTIAN BECAUSE of his CHRISTIAN views. Does that mean that ALL Christians are our enemy??

We are NOT at war with Islam. But, stuff like THIS sure makes it look like we are. I didn't hear a SOLE say the Greek Orthodox church shouldn't be built, because Christians are terrorists... But, the mosque shouldn't be built because Muslims are WHAT??

excon

RickJ · Aug 17, 2010, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So what should go up at Ground Zero? It's been 10 years!

My first thought would be to put up what was destroyed.

RickJ · Aug 17, 2010, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, to both Rick Steve:

Here's the DISTINCTION we need to make. We were NOT attacked by Muslims. We were attacked by terrorists who HAPPEN to BE Muslim.

Absolutely correct.

But if the attack were by the KKK, most of whom claim to be Baptists, and some Baptists wanted to build a church on the site, then I'd support making those Baptists disclose their funding sources.

I'd wonder why they wouldn't WANT to disclose their funding sources.

NeedKarma · Aug 17, 2010, 06:59 AM

That's makes sense. Any idea why nothing has been done?

RickJ · Aug 17, 2010, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That's makes sense. Any idea why nothing has been done?

Done about what?

NeedKarma · Aug 17, 2010, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by RickJ

But if the attack were by the KKK, most of whom claim to be Baptists, and some Baptists wanted to build a church on the site, then I'd support making those Baptists disclose their funding sources.

The analogy is correct - the US should not allow a building built by terrorists. I'm pretty sure you guys will prevent that properly.

NeedKarma · Aug 17, 2010, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by RickJ

Done about what?

Rebuilding on the site where the buildings were destroyed.

RickJ · Aug 17, 2010, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

The analogy is correct - the US should not allow a building built by terrorists. I'm pretty sure you guys will prevent that properly.

Amen. If I were sure of who was building it, I'd even send them a donation.

speechlesstx · Aug 17, 2010, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So you approve of strip joints at the hallowed Ground Zero then?

My guess is they were there before the attack. But where's your sense of humor, that was funny.

For the record, I've already said they have the right to build there, but I don't think it's right. Also for the record, Harry Reid -the same guy who proposed ending birthright citizenship in 1993 - has decided opposing the mosque is the politically expedient thing to do.

NeedKarma · Aug 17, 2010, 07:10 AM

Perhaps we'll see speech and Harry stripping/doing porn for donations to ban the mosque.

excon · Aug 17, 2010, 07:13 AM

Hello again:

I've always thought that THIS image captured our feelings on 9/11. I'd LOVE to see a monument that looks like those three pieces of building.

excon

speechlesstx · Aug 17, 2010, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Here's the DISTINCTION we need to make. We were NOT attacked by Muslims. We were attacked by terrorists who HAPPEN to BE Muslim.

I've made the distinction many times thank you, but funny that would you make the distinction you did about Tiller's killer but not the 9/11 terrorists. It wasn't just that they happened to be Muslims, we were attacked by Muslims in the name of Islam and Allah.

I think it more accurate that Tiller's killer happened to be a Christian, because there is no sect of Christianity murdering and terrorizing innocents for the cause of Christ.

RickJ · Aug 17, 2010, 07:16 AM

I think there is a cultural issue going here. I don't know how to explain it, but I'll share my own experience.

I have a close friend and neighbor who is a local Muslim leader. His son plays with my sons. I love them. They are wonderful and loving people.

But the few discussions I've had about what they think about the 911 attack, they sort of clam up. I've never heard them say (despite my trying on many occasions to hear them say it) "Those people are not true Muslims".

I know well that there are several Muslim leaders in the US who have condemned the attacks - but I'm aware too that there are many others who are silent.

I don't get it.

I'm a Christian and I recognize that the KKK (for example) also claim to be Christian. Christian leaders throughout the US are loud and clear in saying [I paraphrase] "Even though these people claim to be Christian, they are NOT. They are terrorists and they should be rooted out and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law".

Again, I think it comes down to some cultural or religious differences that we need to learn how to deal with - and learn how to get them to open up a bit more.

I think I could write a book, so I'll stop rambling for now...

NeedKarma · Aug 17, 2010, 07:18 AM

Looks like it's become an archeological dig now: 18th-Century Ship Found at Trade Center Site - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com

RickJ · Aug 17, 2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I've made the distinction many times thank you,

Me too. If anyone searches this site for the term Muslim posted by me, they'll find that I am fully supportive.

In fact, I have a website of my own that is dedicated to Ecumenism, especially between Jews, Muslims and Christians - since we have so much in common as to the founding of our faiths.

speechlesstx · Aug 17, 2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Perhaps we'll see speech and Harry stripping/doing porn for donations to ban the mosque.

Um, I haven't said anything about banning the mosque. But if Gutfeld would build it I just might donate to help build the gay bar next door as an outreach to gay Muslims. I hear there's been plenty of suggestions for naming the place.