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Two Cali teachers are suspended from teaching, not because they lied, but because they REFUSED to lie. Their District has instituted a policy preventing teachers from discussing student gender issues, even with the parents of the students.

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The policy stipulates that "any district employee to whom a student's transgender or gender-nonconforming status is disclosed shall keep the student's information confidential." According to the suit, the teachers were told to use students' preferred names and pronouns in school, but to use their given names when speaking with their parents.
Mirabelli claimed that she discovered from the school counselor that the name and gender of some students were being changed in official school records without parental knowledge or consent, according to Fox News Digital.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/t...t-charges.html

Parents don't know?

(That article seems to be leapfrogging over some details.)

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According to the suit, the teachers were told to use students' preferred names and pronouns in school, but to use their given names when speaking with their parents.

Let's be careful not to leapfrog over the plain and clear issue.

The alarming part to me is that only two teachers chose to make a stand about this. It should have been the entire staff.

We are not lower evolved creatures. We are upright with opposable thumbs that can reach across our hands We have advanced brains (well most of us) . We have advanced speech in multiple languages . We have longer childhoods than less advanced animals and we do not die off after children are born
We were building civilizations centuries ago. Other primates still forage for their food. Other animals use tools found in nature. We make and modify our tools and pass that knowledge on to future generations. We are rational .We pursue knowledge for it's own sake.

AND We have only two genders .

Well said, and the gender comment is true of the entire world of vertebrate animals. I would add that of all creatures, only man is made in the image of God and thus of incalculable and eternal value. When that claim is denied, then man loses all ability to appeal to any special status among living creatures other than purely subjective qualities.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

AND We have only two genders .

Nope, nor do any other of God's creatures. Chromosomes are thrilled with the gift of free will.

chromosomes have free will An amazing observation Of course it flies in the face of reality . Transformer men do not become women, nor do transformer women become men. They become feminized men or masculinized women in a modern version of 'The Emperor's New Clothes ' .

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Nope, nor do any other of God's creatures

A ridiculous assertion and completely untrue. Tom's reply is correct. An individual's gender is determined at the very first moment of conception. To suggest that chromosomes have free will is flatly wrong.

If you want to stand by that statement, then perhaps you could offer up an explanation of how that happens. And please don't give a link to one of the silly articles about trees that produce both male and female flowers.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

A ridiculous assertion and completely untrue. Tom's reply is correct. An individual's gender is determined at the very first moment of conception. To suggest that chromosomes have free will is flatly wrong.

Please read up on transgenders and what actually happens before birth. (I'd post some articles etc. but you'd spit on them as per usual.)

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If you want to stand by that statement, then perhaps you could offer up an explanation of how that happens. And please don't give a link to one of the silly articles about trees that produce both male and female flowers.

The fetus's brain doesn't always agree with what's between its legs.

Oh gee, stop spitting!!!

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Please read up on transgenders and what actually happens before birth. (I'd post some articles etc. but you'd spit on them as per usual.)

You've already tried that avenue and it didn't work. It was the ole fairy tale about "brains washed with estrogen" and women taking hormone shots story that had no support in science whatsoever.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...24#post3889924

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The fetus's brain doesn't always agree with what's between its legs.

And this is what passes for an explanation of how chromosomes exercise free will? Do you see why I know that you don't know what you're talking about???

And stop whining about "spitting". If you want to be taken seriously, then post something serious and not silliness about a brain not agreeing with what's between the legs.

Please do honest research. Talk with several transgenders. Read up on gender dysphoria.

My post in response to your ridiculous contention that chromosomes can "have free will" was this. "If you want to stand by that statement, then perhaps you could offer up an explanation of how that happens. (emphasis added) And please don't give a link to one of the silly articles about trees that produce both male and female flowers."

Your completely absurd reply. "The fetus's brain doesn't always agree with what's between its legs."

And you think someone else needs to do honest research? I'm going to be very honest with you. If you want to be taken seriously, then stop with the garbage posts and try something serious for a change. It has gotten very, very tiring.

I double dare you to chat with a few trans women and hear from the sources about the bumpy road they have walked.

Fix an identity crisis with mutilating procedures . The Hippocratic oath gone for good.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Fix an identity crisis with mutilating procedures . The Hippocratic oath gone for good.

There is at least one trans or someone in the LGBTQ+ community among your relatives.

So much for a rational explanation about those “free will chromosomes.”

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There is at least one trans or someone in the LGBTQ+ community among your relatives.

probably it is the latest fad after all The difference was that the medical community used to warn about the harm from swallowing Tide pods.

Somehow we got off track. This, at its core, is not really a trans issue but rather a parental one. The district's policy is pointing 180 degrees in the wrong direction. The prohibition should be against lying to parents, and not against telling them the truth.

The parents, their children, the teachers, the principals, the school boards, and the districts should all be on the same page.

And that can't happen if parents are having information withheld from them and, in fact, are being lied to. Schools must understand that they don't have final authority over those kids. That's the role of the parents.

Why wouldn't the kids tell their parents?

You say you're a counselor, and yet you don't know that children frequently hide important things from their parents? Kids withhold this kind of information from their parents because they know the parents won't let them go merrily along with their nonsense.

At any rate, the post was about a school district compelling teachers to withhold information from, and even to lie to, parents. Surely you don't support that, do you?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You say you're a counselor, and yet you don't know

There ya go again with the putdowns! My question was rhetorical. And it gave you the opportunity to fall back on your experience as a parent.

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that children frequently hide important things from their parents? Kids withhold this kind of information from their parents because they know the parents won't let them go merrily along with their nonsense.

And why would they instead confide in teachers? Oh, yeah, some parents may be a parent like you, calling it "nonsense".

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At any rate, the post was about a school district compelling teachers to withhold information from, and even to lie to, parents. Surely you don't support that, do you?

As a CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR, I would meet with the students and teachers and parents separately and together AND in good order to help everyone be together in one loving, caring mind.

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There ya go again with the putdowns!

Don't be so sensitive.

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And why would they instead confide in teachers?

I don't know that the children have confided in teachers. It might simply be more on the lines of what the teacher has observed. At any rate, the first level of authority is the parents, and you seem to be condoning the teachers lying to them.

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Oh, yeah, some parents may be a parent like you, calling it "nonsense".

Funny how you are opposed to the use of putdowns unless, of course, it's being done by you to someone else. I would suggest you first concentrate on setting a good example. Your use of putdowns doesn't bother me, but the incessant moralizing about it, and your excepting your own use of it, does.

Christian counselor? Not too sure about that.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I don't know that the children have confided in teachers. It might simply be more on the lines of what the teacher has observed.

What the teacher has observed has nothing to do with it. Except as discussion with the hopefully open-minded school counselor.

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At any rate, the first level of authority is the parents, and you seem to be condoning the teachers lying to them.

Nope. You don't understand.

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Funny how you are opposed to the use of putdowns unless, of course, it's being done by you to someone else. I would suggest you first concentrate on setting a good example. Your use of putdowns doesn't bother me, but the incessant moralizing about it, and your excepting your own use of it, does.

Am just trying to keep up with you.

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Christian counselor? Not too sure about that.

There ya go again. Just can't hold back, can ya.

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Nope. You don't understand.

I know. You want the government school to be the ultimate authority in every child's life. That's how they do it in China.

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Am just trying to keep up with you.

It's so funny. You always want to blame your problem on someone else. It's what children do. "Mom, I only did it because Johnny did it first!" I would encourage you to take some responsibility for your own actions. If put-downs are wrong, then it's wrong for you to do it and you should stop.

As to the rest, it wasn't a put-down but just an honest inquiry. A Christian counselor, in order to be genuinely Christian, would have to point people to Jesus and to His Word. I have never seen you do either. Perhaps you can point to places where you have? Or perhaps you can point us to all those places where Jesus endorsed boys becoming girls. I must have missed that one.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I know. You want the government school to be the ultimate authority in every child's life. That's how they do it in China.{/quote}
Nope, you're wrong.
[quote[It's so funny. You always want to blame your problem on someone else. It's what children do. "Mom, I only did it because Johnny did it first!" I would encourage you to take some responsibility for your own actions. If put-downs are wrong, then it's wrong for you to do it and you should stop.

But but but I wanna be just as mature as you are -- but NOT with your unkind criticisms!

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As to the rest, it wasn't a put-down but just an honest inquiry. A Christian counselor, in order to be genuinely Christian, would have to point people to Jesus and to His Word. I have never seen you do either. Perhaps you can point to places where you have? Or perhaps you can point us to all those places where Jesus endorsed boys becoming girls. I must have missed that one.

You must have been hiding in a closet all your life! How little you understand about Jesus. And I'm beginning to wonder if you're struggling with gender dysphoria.

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But but but I wanna be just as mature as you are -- but NOT with your unkind criticisms!

I didn't realize you are so convinced that I have the power to govern your behavior.

I asked for places where you point people to Jesus and His Word, and I get this? "You must have been hiding in a closet all your life! How little you understand about Jesus. And I'm beginning to wonder if you're struggling with gender dysphoria." Oh well. It is what it is.

Remember, the Adam and Eve story is an allegory.

So now Australia is going woke. No more "brother " and "sister " the correct woke word is "sibling" .

Ridiculous push to ban the phrase 'brother' and 'sister' - as 'woke' equality group reveals the new 'inclusive' term we should be calling our loved ones | Daily Mail Online

I'm worried . My name is traditionally a name given to a male. Will that too be outlawed ? Is naming a baby by male or female names discriminatory ? Regressive ? Will we only have non-binary androgynous ·names ? Or even worse . Shall we refrain from naming a baby until that person decides which gender they are ?
But it is Australia .......a nation that was once a penal colony.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I asked for places where you point people to Jesus and His Word

I do when I am counseling someone. I don't counsel here on AMHD.

So you can only mention Jesus in a professional setting? Interesting.

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So you can only mention Jesus in a professional setting? Interesting.

Too bad we're not cyber friends. You'd be in awe.

In awe that you claim you only mention Jesus in a counseling setting? Kind of doubt that...seriously. VERY seriously. But I guess you are certainly impressed with yourself???

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

In awe that you claim you only mention Jesus in a counseling setting?

I "only" mention Jesus in a counseling setting? Who said that? Oh, YOU did....

As appropriate on Facebook Messenger and in email and when on the phone and in person.

You said you mention Him in a counseling setting. Now you seem to be expanding on that. I would hope you would point people to Him on every occasion possible, be it AMHD or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You said you mention Him in a counseling setting. Now you seem to be expanding on that. I would hope you would point people to Him on every occasion possible, be it AMHD or otherwise.

I don't brag about my mission work.

No. You just claim we should be in awe.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

No. You just claim we should be in awe.

I was being sarcastic.

Justice will, perhaps, be served here. The district was ordered to reinstate the teachers involved. I don't know if that order is permanent or not. It certainly should be.

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A federal judge ordered a California middle school to allow two school teachers suing district administrators and the California Board of Education over gender identity policies back into the classroom, months after the duo were placed on paid administrative leave last May.
"I’m shocked! I’m still processing. I cannot believe it," Lori Ann West, one of the teachers behind the lawsuit, told San Diego's FOX 5 last Wednesday.
Elizabeth Mirabelli, the other teacher involved in the case, will also be allowed to return to the classroom.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/califo...policy-lawsuit