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  • Dec 6, 2023, 05:01 AM
    tomder55
    TDS on overdrive this campaign
    The compliant press recently have been playing the "dictator card " ;warning about a possible Trump 2nd term



    Cheney: U.S. 'sleepwalking into dictatorship' if Trump wins (ny1.com)

    Is Trump running for dictator? | TPR

    Trump’s Recipe for a Shockingly Raw Power Grab - POLITICO

    Neocon Robert Kagan of the Compost writes

    "Will his presidency turn into a dictatorship? The odds are, again, pretty good."

    Opinion | Would Trump be a dictator? And can he be stopped? - The Washington Post
    This in the wake of a Clueless Joe presidency who has used executive action more than any before him.

    The Atlantic (subscription required ) took this trend to new levels . Their new issue released yesterday devotes the entire issue to a Trump dictatorship.

    Quote:

    Trump and Trumpism pose an existential threat to America and to the ideas that animate it. With each writer focusing on their subject area of expertise, the issue argues that assuming a second term would mirror the first is a mistake: The threats to democracy will be greater, as will the danger of authoritarianism and corruption. A second Trump presidency, the opening essay states, would mark the turn onto a dark path, one of those rips between “before” and “after” that a society can never reverse.
    The Atlantic's Jan/Feb issue: Next Trump presidency - The Atlantic

    David Frum (former speech writer for GW Bush) argues that "A second Trump term would instantly plunge the country into a constitutional crisis more terrible than anything seen since the Civil War.”

    The Danger Ahead - The Atlantic


    I will be interested to see who in tonight's Repub debate will challenge this narrative . Besides perhaps Vivek I do not think they will . Christie agrees with it . Nikki couches it in terms like 'chaos ' . DeSantis ? maybe.

    I think it would be wise for any Repub candidate to take on the compliant press corruption . The 4th Estate has become the 5th Column ,They have become the propaganda tool of the deep state ;a role that should never be condoned in a free society
  • Dec 6, 2023, 08:09 AM
    tomder55
    Here is another one of the brilliant essays in 'Atlantic ' courtesy of MSN

    The Truth Won’t Matter (msn.com)


    and another one from 'Salon'

    Trump is hiding his fascist plans in plain sight | Salon.com

    The Economist

    Donald Trump poses the biggest danger to the world in 2024 | Nov 18th 2023 | The Economist

    The Guardian

    A second Trump term will be far more autocratic than the first. He’s telling us | Jan-Werner Müller | The Guardian

    Vanity Fair

    Donald Trump Isn’t Even Trying to Hide His Authoritarian Second-Term Plans | Vanity Fair

    Politico

    Trump Is an Authoritarian. So Are Millions of Americans - POLITICO
  • Dec 6, 2023, 08:48 AM
    jlisenbe
    Strange how The Atlantic could title an article, "The Truth Won't Matter," but then include material that is not true.

    Quote:

    The president’s gut would go on to inform him that climate change is partisan propaganda (Well, is it?); that COVID-19 might be cured through the injection of bleach (Except that Trump did not allege that was true); that any election that fails to produce a Trump victory must be rigged (He has never suggested that). Trump gut-trusted the nation into political crisis. (What political crisis are they referring to? Perhaps the one where the HC campaign falsely claimed a Russian election interference had taken place?)
  • Dec 6, 2023, 10:43 AM
    Wondergirl
    Trump wants power. He wants to be Putin the Second, even Hitler the Second.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 11:16 AM
    jlisenbe
    He was in office for four years. He did not become Putin or Hitler. Case closed, is it not?
  • Dec 6, 2023, 12:11 PM
    Wondergirl
    Nope. He was on his way. (Remember, he didn't want to give up the office to someone else.) Plus now he's determined to RULE, had interacted with powerful world leaders and dictators while he was president. He wants to be president again and actually make it happen, become a powerful dictator!
  • Dec 6, 2023, 12:23 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Nope. He was on his way. (Remember, he didn't want to give up the office to someone else.)
    So that's it? He didn't WANT to give up the office, but he did and did so peacefully. So while he didn't authorize the feds breaking into his opponent's house and seizing documents, or used the power of the federal government to spread a wild rumor about supposed Russian interference in the election, or have his spouse meet with the sitting attorney general to make sure charges would not be brought against him, or met with "powerful world leaders and dictators" (which all presidents have done), you still know he was "on his way" because he did something, but he didn't WANT to do it?

    Well...OK. Perhaps Webster should use your response as an example of TDS?
  • Dec 6, 2023, 01:07 PM
    Wondergirl
    PEACEFULLY??? All we've heard from him is yowling about how he was cheated when he was deprived of continuing as president. Woe to us if he is elected again.

    TDS!!! Ha! You worship him more devotedly than you do your Creator.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 01:28 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    All we've heard from him is yowling about how he was cheated when he was deprived of continuing as president. Woe to us if he is elected again.
    About the only yowling I'm hearing is from you. You get mad when your posts are questioned.
    Quote:

    TDS!!! Ha! You worship him more devotedly than you do your Creator.
    That comment comes from the one who claims to believe in civility here. At any rate, I've stated many times that I despise his big mouth and his lack of preparation for debates. I would much prefer DeSantis, Haley, Carson, or any one of several others, but I'm not going to start lying about his record.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 02:40 PM
    Wondergirl
    He's a joke!!! He can't even speak understandably, coherently.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 02:56 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    He's a joke!!! He can't even speak understandably, coherently.
    Wait, now. We're not talking about Biden. This thread is about Trump. I'll grant you, it's an easy mistake to make.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_wlQZ5N_2k
  • Dec 6, 2023, 03:03 PM
    Wondergirl
    And Trump is fat, ugly, has a greasy orange face and neck. Don't even ask me about his hair.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 07:20 PM
    jlisenbe
    I never cease to be amazed at the vitriolic hatred tossed towards Trump by liberal dems who supposedly believe in civility, tolerance and inclusion. It's not enough merely to disagree with his policies. It has to become personal and include, "fat, ugly...greasy orange face and neck...hair...can't even speak understandably, coherently." And of course he is trying to become a Putin or a Hitler. It really borders on hysteria.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 07:34 PM
    Wondergirl
    I've been a registered Republican for 60 years. I see the candidates (ALL of them), listen to them, and vote for the ones I agree with and who have a good chance to make improvements.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 08:14 PM
    jlisenbe
    A liberal dem wolf in republican sheep's clothing. You seem to love tossing hateful comments towards Trump. I would suggest you adopt a more civil approach and simply discuss the man's policies.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 09:00 PM
    Wondergirl
    Trump has no policies except to become the first U.S. king.

    You watch that debate tonight? *giggle*
  • Dec 6, 2023, 09:13 PM
    jlisenbe
    Just more unhinged vitriol coming from someone who claims to be in favor of civility. I guess the truth comes out after all.
  • Dec 6, 2023, 09:54 PM
    Wondergirl
    He said so himself!!!!
  • Dec 7, 2023, 05:08 AM
    jlisenbe
    He said he wants to be king? Yeah. Right.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 05:15 AM
    tomder55
    He made a joke on Hannity that the TDS crowd took seriously.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/video/tr...250334512.html

    Every grown man hyperventilating about this clip needs to find a sense of humor" Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio)
  • Dec 7, 2023, 05:47 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    You watch that debate tonight? *giggle*
    It was 2 on 1 Vivek and DeSantis attacking Haley . The elephant in the room devoted his time attacking the elephant not in the room .

    If there is any other Repub debate in the pursuit of 2nd place then it should be DeSantis and Haley in a round table discussion . Vivek could be a serious candidate if he was a serious candidate . But he is a clown and a troll.



    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAtXBRlX...g&name=900x900

    Christie is a 1 trick pony with a grievance against Trump for snubbing him for a position in his cabinet in 2016 .
  • Dec 7, 2023, 06:50 AM
    jlisenbe
    Christie has no chance and VR has allowed himself to degenerate into a complainer and grumbler rather than proposing solutions. Trump should be there.

    The liberal dems have a hatred of Trump such as I've not seen before. When vitriol runs short, then the lies begin. They have such a fear of the man. And this goes on while Biden has been unmasked as a corrupt seller of government influence to foreign government officials. Nothing is said about that.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 09:39 AM
    Wondergirl
    When vitriol runs short, then the lies begin. They have such a fear of the man.

    No one has to lie about Trump. He lays it all out right in front of everyone. Fear him? Hardly! Actually, I miss the Trump who existed during the early "Apprentice" days. He's now a genuine example of how mental illness can affect and destroy someone.

    In this morning's Chicago Tribune, a column by Steve Chapman included this:

    ***The former president has always admired ruthless tyrants, including Vladimir Putin (“genius”), China’s Xi Jinping (“a strong guy, tough guy”) and North Korea’s Kim Jong Un (“We fell in love”). He likes autocrats not in spite of their despotic nature but because of it.

    Lately, he has also gone out of his way to emulate them — referring to his political opponents as “vermin,” declaring that Milley deserved to be executed and vowing to shoot shoplifters. In a pitch-perfect echo of Adolf Hitler, he accused migrants of “poisoning the blood of our country.”

    Such remarks may be dismissed as nothing more than colorful language from a candidate unbound by stuffy political norms. But his vitriol is meant to create a sense of apocalyptic danger that requires draconian measures.***
  • Dec 7, 2023, 01:54 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    No one has to lie about Trump.
    Oh? Then why did you? "Trump has no policies except to become the first U.S. king." He has said no such thing and has no such ambition.

    The column from the Tribune amounted to little more than picking out isolated, out of context remarks by Trump and then making far too much of them. But it's better than the personal insults you had been engaging in. I'm glad to see you have corrected that.

    Your criticisms of Trump would carry more weight if you were an equal-opportunity criticizer. The crime and bribery exploits by Biden go unnoticed by you, so it makes your attacks seem to be solidly partisan.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 02:52 PM
    Wondergirl
    Oh? Then why did you? "Trump has no policies except to become the first U.S. king." He has said no such thing and has no such ambition.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4SdwYFe8qVk


    The crime and bribery exploits by Biden go unnoticed by you, so it makes your attacks seem to be solidly partisan.

    Not at all. But Trump's arrogance and desire for total power are the topics on the table right now.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 03:08 PM
    tomder55
    Vivek is all over the news for challenging Nikki to name the 3 " provinces " or "regions "[FONT=TwitterChirp, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#0f1419]that she wants to send America’s sons & daughters to die fighting for. (the correct word is "Oblasts " the ones in Novorossiya are [/COLOR][/FONT]Donetsk, Luhansk, and Kharkiv)

    Turn around seems to be fair play . So in light of his giving 'Jeopardy ' questions for his fellow candidates to choke on , I would like to ask him in light of the fact that he would end birthright citizenship ;if a son of a man immigrated here and who chose to NOT become an American citizen should be considered a "natural born " citizen ?

    He was born here to Indian immigrants who at the time were not American citizens . He has already admitted that his father never became one. So his claim to eligibilty appears to be his status as a birthright citizen , . He's a statutory citizen but not an Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen.
    But why quibble ?
  • Dec 7, 2023, 03:22 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Oh? Then why did you? "Trump has no policies except to become the first U.S. king." He has said no such thing and has no such ambition.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4SdwYFe8qVk


    The crime and bribery exploits by Biden go unnoticed by you, so it makes your attacks seem to be solidly partisan.

    Not at all. But Trump's arrogance and desire for total power are the topics on the table right now.

    At no place in your link did Trump say he had no policies but to become the king. You would be much better served to learn to be a little honest and simply admit you were wrong. As to what Trump actually DID say, Tom has already dealt with that. Please learn to keep up.

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...94#post3894794

    Not at all??? Well, it will be easy enough for you to provide links to where you have leveled those criticisms here. I will wait patiently. If the past is any indicator, I will still be waiting a year from now.

    Quote:

    He was born here to Indian immigrants who at the time were not American citizens . He has already admitted that his father never became one. So his claim to eligibilty appears to be his status as a birthright citizen , . He's a statutory citizen but not an Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen.
    Hmm. I wonder just who that guy might be.

    VR at one time seemed to be a serious candidate. Lately, he has become desperate and wants to launch his attacks on primarily Haley.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 03:35 PM
    Wondergirl
    Trump said he will be a dictator on Day One. I'm guessing that will continue on Day Two, Day Three, and thereafter.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 04:24 PM
    jlisenbe
    Good ole guesswork.

    Like I said earlier, a simple admission that your statement was WRONG would go far towards giving you at least some minimal level of credibility. As it stands, this statement was ridiculous. "Trump has no policies except to become the first U.S. king."

    And again. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...94#post3894794

    Still waiting to see all those places where you took the Biden admin to task.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 05:00 PM
    tomder55
    DeSantis won the debate IMO when he said men in Iraq wear "man dresses"

    Ron Desantis Says People Wore Man Dresses in Iraq and Threatens Violence at The Border #politics - YouTube
  • Dec 7, 2023, 05:09 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Good ole guesswork.

    Like I said earlier, a simple admission that your statement was WRONG would go far towards giving you at least some minimal level of credibility. As it stands, this statement was ridiculous. "Trump has no policies except to become the first U.S. king."

    No guesswork is needed. His very presence, gestures, facial expressions, and rambling verbiage say it.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 05:43 PM
    jlisenbe
    WG. Thank goodness you don’t go in for subjective judgements!!

    Tom. I liked the “man dresses” remark too. Nice to see someone not eaten up with wokeness.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 06:04 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    WG. Thank goodness you don’t go in for subjective judgements!!

    Tom. I liked the “man dresses” remark too. Nice to see someone not eaten up with wokeness.

    JL. Thank goodness you don’t go in for subjective judgments!! Especially about the clothing men of other nationalities wear. (Psssst, Jesus and His disciples wore "man dresses" too.)
  • Dec 7, 2023, 06:19 PM
    jlisenbe
    What subjective judgment did I make?
  • Dec 7, 2023, 07:26 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    What subjective judgment did I make?

    About Iraqi men.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 07:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    I said nothing about Iraqi men.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 07:46 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I said nothing about Iraqi men.

    You said: Tom. I liked the “man dresses” remark too.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 08:20 PM
    jlisenbe
    And why did I say I liked it??? Where did I mention Iraqi men???
  • Dec 7, 2023, 08:36 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And why did I say I liked it??? Where did I mention Iraqi men???

    Post #32. Tom's was Post #30.
  • Dec 7, 2023, 08:39 PM
    jlisenbe
    Please stop making it up as you go along. I am not responsible for what Tom or anyone else says, but even Tom's comment was a simple, objective comment about a statement from the debate.

    Post 32 below. There is no mention of Iraqi men at all. And in case someone is reading impaired, I underlined my reasoning for liking the comment. I have no concern at all about how Iraqi men dress.

    Quote:

    WG. Thank goodness you don’t go in for subjective judgements!!

    Tom. I liked the “man dresses” remark too. Nice to see someone not eaten up with wokeness.
    You do this all the time. You get caught red-handed violating your own moralizing, in this case making mean-spirited, hateful comments and subjective judgments, and then rather than simply admit it and move on, you want to falsely accuse others of doing it. It really gets old.

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