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Students at Clemson are protesting because the university has decided to remove tampon dispensers from the men's restrooms. Pan (note the creative first name)Tankersley declared, "Today, we are marching for the reinstatement of the menstrual products in the men’s restrooms in Cooper Library and throughout campus." It seems strange to have to explain to COLLEGE students that men don't use tampons. If you need a tampon, then you are not a man and thus should not be in the men's restroom. Perhaps sixth graders would need to have that explained to them, but at the age of twenty, people generally know that MEN don't use tampons. It's like the idea that men don't wear bras, or that men don't have babies. Do we now have to explain to COLLEGE students that these things are true??? And if a young adult cannot understand such a basic concept, then does that person really need to be in college? "Yes, I want to get my degree in physics, but first I need to run down to the men's restroom and get a tampon." Huh?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/studen...mens-bathrooms

The university is incorrect in its reasoning.

https://www.self.com/story/male-peri...el-kenny-jones

Uhm...it is necessary to have a vagina in order to use a tampon, and in that situation, the individual is a...WOMAN, even if she is pretending to be a man. The university's reasoning is so correct that it's overwhelming. In the case of this Kenny Jones, he/she would not need to get a tampon to begin with, so the whole point of you linking this story is to demonstrate what?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Uhm...it is necessary to have a vagina in order to use a tampon, and in that situation, the individual is a...WOMAN, even if she is pretending to be a man. The university's reasoning is so correct that it's overwhelming.

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No pretending is going on. She IS anatomically (but not chromosomally) a woman who is transitioning to be her real self: a man. Please read the article I posted.

Read the story after this subheading:

"I knew I was meant to be a boy since I was 14. At 15 years old, I started menstruating."

They are not fooling me . This is college age people. They live for the high . Now if you soak a tampon in 190 proof ethyl alcohol or vodka and shove it where the sun don't shine ;the body absorbs the alcohol quickly. It is a dangerous practice .
Some kids mistakenly think doing this will prevent breathalyzer failure .

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No pretending is going on. She IS anatomically (but not chromosomally) a woman who is transitioning to be her real self: a man. Please read the article I posted.

Read the story after this subheading:

"I knew I was meant to be a boy since I was 14. At 15 years old, I started menstruating."

Even if I agreed with all of this, what does it have to do with a person with no vagina thinking he/she needs to find a tampon in a men's restroom? Why wouldn't a person with a vagina simply go into the women's restroom, or better yet, if that is perceived as being a problem, buy these articles at Walmart? Why should a college have to waste money on such a childish undertaking as putting tampon machines in men's restrooms?

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They are not fooling me . This is college age people. They live for the high . Now if you soak a tampon in 190 proof ethyl alcohol or vodka and shove it where the sun don't shine ;the body absorbs the alcohol quickly. It is a dangerous practice .
Some kids mistakenly think doing this will prevent breathalyzer failure .

Tom's statement is a far more likely explanation. At any rate, only fifty deluded souls were in the protest march, so it would seem that sanity is, for once, prevailing on a college campus.

She DOES have a vagina and a uterus (and will get periods) until she's allowed to and can afford to have surgery. She doesn't go into the women's restroom because she must live her authentic life as a male. That will be done gradually to promote the highest standards of care (WPATH) over the next years --

***Hormone therapy (to create masculine characteristics such as a deeper voice, facial hair growth, redistribution of body fat away from hips and breasts, and not getting a period.

Male chest reconstruction, or “top surgery” (to remove the breasts and breast tissue)

Hysterectomy and salpingo-oophorectomy (to remove female reproductive organs such as the uterus and ovaries/fallopian tubes)

Phalloplasty or “bottom surgery” (construction of a penis using skin from other parts of the body). Metoidioplasty is a type of “bottom surgery” that causes the clitoris to work more like a penis, which is accompanied by hormone treatment to make the clitoris grow larger.***
https://www.center4research.org/what...emale-to-male/

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She DOES have a vagina and a uterus (and will get periods) until she's allowed to and can afford to have surgery. She doesn't go into the women's restroom because she must live her authentic life as a male

So you are basically arguing that everyone else must accept this insanity of putting tampons in the men's restrooms because people like KS don't have enough sense to go to Walmart and pick up what she needs? That doesn't sound very compelling.

But even at that, if you had read your own article, you would have noticed this. "Now I am 24 years old, and I haven't bled since I was 19." So this person, as it turns out, does not need tampons. How about that?

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So this person, as it turns out, does not need tampons. How about that?

She isn't the only trans at Clemson (28,000+ students). Women's washrooms should have a condom dispenser too.

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She isn't the only trans at Clemson. Women's washrooms should have a condom dispenser too.

Yes, and they should spend millions to put urinals into the women's restrooms as well.

If a person has a working, menstruating vagina, which this person does NOT have, a fact you missed since you didn't even read your own article, then rather than inconvenience everyone else, that person could simply step into the women's restroom and get a tampon, or better yet, they could use even a little bit of common sense and get them at Walgreens. But that wouldn't serve the purpose of making everyone else bow at the altar of TG.

I have nothing at all against these people, but I absolutely will not participate in this lunacy with them.

Why is the term "leading he/she/zie/their authentic life/self" trawled out for these cases.
Mother Nature has already made that determination, so anything else is basically against nature.
Has humanity finally decided that they are above mere natural selection and biology.

Bottom line, once you're an adult, do as you please, but don't expect everyone else to buy into your delusion...

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Bottom line, once you're an adult, do as you please, but don't expect everyone else to buy into your delusion...

Well said. I can and must love all sorts of people, but I dare not encourage them in their sad, mistaken delusions.

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Why is the term "leading he/she/zie/their authentic life/self" trawled out for these cases.
Mother Nature has already made that determination,

Nope. Mother Nature screwed up. Messed up the chromosomes and hormones and slapped the opposite sex organs onto the baby's exterior.

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Well said. I can and must love all sorts of people, but I dare not encourage them in their sad, mistaken delusions.

I'm sure you have family members and/or relatives who are in the LGBTQ+ community.

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Has humanity finally decided that they are above mere natural selection and biology.

Thank you . It is the humans created God complex if only they just dream it

When you wish upon a star
Makes no difference who you are
Anything your heart desires
Will come to you
If your heart is in your dream
No request is too extreme

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Yes, and they should spend millions to put urinals into the women's restrooms as well.

Great idea! And only one per bathroom would be needed.

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If a person has a working, menstruating vagina, which this person does NOT have, a fact you missed since you didn't even read your own article, then rather than inconvenience everyone else, that person could simply step into the women's restroom and get a tampon, or better yet, they could use even a little bit of common sense and get them at Walgreens. But that wouldn't serve the purpose of making everyone else bow at the altar of TG.

Apparently, YOU didn't read the article.

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I have nothing at all against these people, but I absolutely will not participate in this lunacy with them.

Bwahahahahaha!! Tell me another lie!!!

Just the usual nonsensical reply. I read the article enough to find what you didn’t. Nuff said. And as usual, WG, who loves to lecture to everyone else about not being judgmental, makes a stupid judgment about someone supposedly lying. Pretty bad. It’s what people do when they know the battle is lost.

And what did I lie about?

I didn't say you lied.

What was my "stupid judgment"?

"Bwahahahahaha!! Tell me another lie!!!"

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"Bwahahahahaha!! Tell me another lie!!!"

Lunacy??? Battle lost? Hardly!!! Apparently your head is buried deep in the sand.

So sad. You just can't admit to being wrong, can you? Instead, we get the intellectual equivalent of a fifth grader with "Bwahahahaha" and "Apparently your head is buried deep in the sand." Oh well, it's as I said. This is what people do when they know the battle is lost and can do no better than link to an article describing a person who (unknown to you) does not use tampons to argue for the need for tampons in men's restrooms. You'd be far better served to simply admit, "OK, I didn't realize my link was a non-starter, and I accused you of lying when I had no way of knowing if you were or not." I would suggest you copy and paste that statement.

You apparently read others' links with blinders on. The cherry picker hard at work.

(And no I'm not a lib Dem, but am a registered Repub.)

LGBTQ+ people (especially trans) are everywhere. They have library cards and might be standing near you at the 973s, behind you in the grocery store check-out line, or sitting in the row behind you at the movie theater. They are on TV every day -- contestants on "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune" and discuss human rights on talk shows. Several of my best friends are Tgirls, as they sometimes call themselves.

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You apparently read others' links with blinders on. The cherry picker hard at work.

Completely absurd response. I read the link you provided and QUOTED the article where the person said he/she did not have periods. Please stop acting like a fifth grader. It gets very tiresome having to constantly correct you.

The fact that LGBTQ people are in existence is not at all in debate. So are thieves, child abusers, adulterers, liars, hypocrites, drug addicts (I know many), alcoholics (know many of them as well),and retired librarians who don't know what they're talking about. It doesn't mean we should accept any of it, so stop trying to change the subject.

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You'd be far better served to simply admit, "OK, I didn't realize my link was a non-starter, and I accused you of lying when I had no way of knowing if you were or not." I would suggest you copy and paste that statement.

You're the biggest lib dem I know of, and also the most obstinate.

JL said "the article where the person said he/she did not have periods."

Please read more carefully.

She said in that article --

"At 15 years old, I started menstruating.

When I was 16 years old, I began the process of medical transition and started hormone therapy, which eliminated my monthly period."

Yes, she had periods but stopped them with hormone therapy.

So he/she currently does not have them? And hasn’t in years just like I said and quoted? Well how about that???

Fifth graders. They require much patience.

But other trans girls and women, pre-hormone therapy, who use women's public washrooms have periods.

And if they use women's public washrooms, then why would we need to have tampon machines in the men's rooms?

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And if they use women's public washrooms, then why would we need to have tampon machines in the men's rooms?

Becaaaaaaause....other trans girls and women, who are receiving hormone therapy, use men's washrooms, yet still may have periods.

And they, rather than expecting the other 99.5% of the population to join in with their delusion, can simply purchase tampons at Walmart. It's not really complicated.

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And they, rather than expecting the other 99.5% of the population to join in with their delusion, can simply purchase tampons at Walmart. It's not really complicated.

You expect them to carry (how many???) tampons around 24/7??? How stupid do you think they are? Periods don't begin (like clockwork?) when women think they will, aren't the same amount of blood each hour/day/month. Tampon dispensers in public washrooms are there for emergencies anyway.

I expect people to take care of themselves. Keep a few in the purse at all times. Not real complicated. A college student can’t handle that?

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I expect people to take care of themselves. Keep a few in the purse at all times. Not real complicated. A college student can’t handle that?

Sounds stupid. At all times???? Give it a rest! No way. Have you ever seen one, held one, put one into your pocket???

And no condoms in men's washrooms either. And no urinals either. I've had to clean them. Gag!

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Sounds stupid. At all times???? Give it a rest! No way. Have you ever seen one, held one, put one into your pocket???

I've taken care of myself all of my adult life. I don't think it's asking much for a woman to carry personal articles in her purse. They seem to have no trouble carrying around enough makeup for a small army. I'll bet they can handle this as well.

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And no urinals either. I've had to clean them. Gag!

You really think that makes sense? By that "thinking", there can be no toilets either. After all, it's a nasty business cleaning them. For that matter, there can be no floors or sinks because they all can be a pain to clean as well. You can start a new movement. LIBERAL DEMS WHO WANT TO DO AWAY WITH RESTROOMS!! They are too much trouble to clean!

The great majority of men's restrooms that I've been in don't have condom machines. Wife and I just returned from an eight hundred mile, three day trip. I didn't see a single one. Sorry to disappoint you.

Not restrooms. Urinals. Men spray all over them and on the wall and floor.

And those tampons in restrooms are expensive!

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Not restrooms. Urinals. Men spray all over them and on the wall and floor.

Think a little. You are arguing that urinals are nasty to clean and so must go. But you just asserted that the same is true of the walls and floors, so by your thinking, the whole room has to go.

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And those tampons in restrooms are expensive!

Another reason to get rid of the tampon machines.

I'll give you the last word on this. It has become a ridiculous exchange.

I didn't say anything has to go. The aim has to improve.

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Mother Nature screwed up

I think what you mean to say is: Human Nature is screwing up Mother Nature. Will Human nature triumph over mother nature?
I worry about you WG. Do you know why "the earth cries out with pain"? God is the potter and we are the clay that He shapes to His own purposes, making us into worthy vessels to be filled with His Holy Spirit. When we submit and surrender our will to our Heavenly Father, He will shape and mold us according to His will.

Of course, everybody has the right to choose their own will (fixing - as if God makes mistakes) over God's will. Mother Nature is not the source of life...although It might be for others. Life is not what it seems. Get out of your head and into the Body of Christ Jesus.

There is only One GOD, One Body, One Kingdom. One Death, and One Life. Go your own way (choosing life over death) and you will be Without a GOD. Without a Body. Without a King. Without a kingdom and Without a life.

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I think what you mean to say is: Human Nature is screwing up Mother Nature. Will Human nature triumph over mother nature?

Then why are animals and birds and insects and plants in the LGBTQ+ community? God gave the universe (and Mother Nature) free will.

What religious studies have so confused you, waltero?

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Then why are animals and birds and insects and plants in the LGBTQ+ community?

Really, you're not going to get away without definitive sources for that statement.....