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30 years ago, if a public library had brought in drag queens for a reading time for children, the library would have been in trouble with the law. Now, when a public library in Canada does that, the guy who protests is arrested. How far we have fallen.
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Not true about your "30 years ago"! People weren't as uptight and "the law" was more open-minded.
Public libraries have always loved to put on all sorts of presentations that appeal to their patrons' ranges of interests and introduce them and the public to new experiences.
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Public libraries have always loved to put on all sorts of presentations that appeal to their patrons' ranges of interests and introduce them and the public to new experiences.
Not in the town I lived in ;and not in the town I live now.
Then they aren't true public libraries. Probably not members of ALA (the national library organization) either.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It wasn't true in anyone's town 30 years ago. That anyone would present a bunch of men dressing up as women to young children and consider that normal is criminal in my view. At the least, they should lose their jobs. Instead, the protestor is arrested. Incredible.
I was employed by a public library back then. No problem with drag queens. You shudda seen how some of our patrons and visitors were dressed!
Why on earth would drag queens reading to kids in a public library be criminal?
I don't believe the public library you worked in was bringing in drag queens to read to children. Not thirty years ago.
Because it is portraying that which is obscene and improper as being normal, and doing that to impressionable young children.
The world is sick and getting sicker
We definitely would have allowed drag queens to have storytime in the YP department. We would have even welcomed Flip Wilson as Geraldine Jones and Robin Williams as Mrs. Doubtfire.
When I worked evenings, I sometimes chatted a bit with an older woman who often came in to do research. "She" was a male college professor in a nearby town.
I remember another younger, nicely dressed woman who came into the ladies' washroom as I was putting in new rolls of t.p. and paper towels. "Her" deep male voice alerted me. We debated whether the t.p. should flow over the top of the roll or hang behind it. We agreed on the latter.
What about it is obscene and improper?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"Impressionable children"??? You don't realize how much children love to pretend and dress up?
Children play all sorts of games. Boys play shoot-em-up, but we don't bring convicted murderers in to read to them.
Obscene? Yeah, I'd say so. It's hardly an image we want our children being encouraged to emulate.
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Convicted murderers??? By your rules, boys should only be reading their Bible story book.Quote:
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Please find and choose the most obscene, scary, most ridiculous photo possible.Quote:
Obscene? Yeah, I'd say so. It's hardly an image we want our children being encouraged to emulate.
Too bad you haven't had much experience being around children. They love scary stuff -- stories, people, adventures like going through the haunted house during Halloween. Of course, responsible adults warn them and talk about it beforehand.
Another of your incredibly off-base misreadings.Quote:
Convicted murderers??? By your rules, boys should only be reading their Bible story book.
Yeah. Only 34 years as a teacher and principal, most of them with K-6 kids. So your comment is absurd.Quote:
Too bad you haven't had much experience being around children.
Leave it to you to bury your head in the sand. Leave it to you to defend this madness.
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Somebody has to call you on your ridiculous posts.Quote:
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I've had more years of experience with children plus in a variety of locations.Quote:
Yeah. Only 34 years as a teacher and principal, most of them with K-6 kids. So your comment is absurd.
There is no madness. I wonder how you have fun -- maybe stacking empty pop cans or shooting defenseless birds and squirrels?Quote:
Leave it to you to bury your head in the sand. Leave it to you to defend this madness.
Unsurprisingly, a completely inaccurate comment. I'd have several hundred children every day.Quote:
I've had more years of experience with children plus in a variety of locations.
Not in your mind, I suppose. For everyone else...Quote:
There is no madness.
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Not like you. You can be sure of that. Martin Luther would disown you.Quote:
I wonder how you have fun
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I just wonder what idiot came up with this idea. Was he/she just sitting around one day and thought, "Wouldn't it be a wholesome, productive activity to bring in a man garishly and obscenely dressed like a woman and let him read to the kiddos?"
I still want to know why you deleted your post.
Women dress like men. Does your wife wear pants and a t-shirt or do you forbid it?
Did you not look at those photos for even two seconds? And you really want to compare that to women wearing pants and t-shirts designed and made for women? Good grief.
Why did you delete your post? Why are you afraid to answer that simple question?
That's NOT how drag queens look when they go to public libraries.
Why are you obsessing over a post I deleted?
This is what you are so enthusiastically defending. Perhaps you need to do some research on what a drag queen is? These pics are all over the internet.
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Just wondering why you would delete a fairly harmless post. You are, as usual, reluctant to answer, so we move on.
Those poor kids!!! Running away, crying, screaming!!! How dare the library be so cruel!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
First you tried this. "That's NOT how drag queens look when they go to public libraries." Having failed utterly in that attempt, now you are suggesting that as long as people don't run away crying and screaming, then everything is fine. Well, young boys don't run away crying and screaming when exposed to hard porn, but that is hardly acceptable. They don't run away crying and screaming when exposed to racism, but that's not acceptable either. Your thinking is not logical on this issue, especially considering that no one suggested these people are scary. I said they were, "garishly and obscenely dressed like a woman."
But I do understand why you are grasping at straws. When straws are all you have, then you grasp them.
The children know what will be presented and have seen photos of drag queens. And at libraries, it's a sign-up presentation with no surprises.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I see. So as long as the parents agree to it, then it's OK?
What's the harm anyway??? The kids and parents all thoroughly enjoy the presentations.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Are people who dress up as a rabbit (Bugs Bunny) or pirate or cowboy on Halloween, e.g., scary and trying to attract children into their lair?
So you would be fine with libraries presenting "reading times" involving the Christian faith, or hard core porn, or pro-life materials, or the greatness of drug abuse? Since these never seem to occur, why do you suppose so many libraries have seized upon these obscene people?
Please learn to read. No one has suggested these strange people are "scary" or are trying to "attract children into their lair".
What is obscene about them?
You've mentioned the children are being "groomed".Quote:
Please learn to read. No one has suggested these strange people are "scary" or are trying to "attract children into their lair".
What is obscene? Look at the pictures.
Nope. I've done no such thing. Your reading skills fail you yet again.Quote:
You've mentioned the children are being "groomed".
And again. "So you would be fine with libraries presenting "reading times" involving the Christian faith, or hard core porn, or pro-life materials, or the greatness of drug abuse? Since these never seem to occur, why do you suppose so many libraries have seized upon these obscene people?"
Obscene? How?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Please read up on and get clear about the mission and purpose of public libraries. You have a very strange notion of what public libraries are.Quote:
And again. "So you would be fine with libraries presenting "reading times" involving the Christian faith, or hard core porn, or pro-life materials, or the greatness of drug abuse? Since these never seem to occur, why do you suppose so many libraries have seized upon these obscene people?"
Words cannot convey how glad I am that I'm not the one defending this.
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And again. "So you would be fine with libraries presenting "reading times" involving the Christian faith, or hard core porn, or pro-life materials, or the greatness of drug abuse? Since these never seem to occur, why do you suppose so many libraries have seized upon these obscene people?"
You are so funny. Why is it you are so reluctant to address difficult questions?
So the purpose of libraries is to popularize the behavior of sick people amongst children?
That's not obscene. Tell me what's obscene about it?
And I answered that question: "Please read up on and get clear about the mission and purpose of public libraries. You have a very strange notion of what public libraries are."
Why are you having such trouble reading my replies? I suspect you are eager for a fight and doing what you can to make it happen.
What's obscene? I guess for someone like you who reads and enjoys porn, the definition of "obscene" is pretty diluted.
Telling someone else to do research is not answering a question. Please stop lying. You did not answer the question as you fully well know. "So you would be fine with libraries presenting "reading times" involving the Christian faith, or hard core porn, or pro-life materials, or the greatness of drug abuse? Since these never seem to occur, why do you suppose so many libraries have seized upon these obscene people?"
I've never told you what I think, "public libraries are", so how would you know if my "notion" is strange or not?Quote:
You have a very strange notion of what public libraries are."
I'm not interested in a fight at all. We can drop it if you want to, but I get irritated with someone like you who runs from meaningful questions and then, shall we say, "fibs" about having answered it. A little serious honesty on your part would be welcome.
I'm finished here. You have gone totally off into weirdness and meanness. Jesus is frowning.
That's fine. However, some periods of honesty do not equate to meanness.
Watched three videos this morning. One was of a Cambodian couple who came to the U.S. with nothing and became successful making donuts. Another was about a Vietnam vet. The third was of a milkman who would not cut off customers with children who could not pay their bills. There are thousands of people out there like that, but instead of bringing them in to read to children, libraries go out and find men with sick minds who want to dress up like women in the most gaudy, lurid manner possible.
Libraries do, plus offer special programs for adults and for children that identify and promote such people as movers and doers in our communities.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
When you bring in men garishly dressed as women, you miss a golden opportunity to bring in someone who is actually worthy of emulation and who can inspire kids to live great lives.
The kids love that "garish" parade, will laugh and clap and wave their arms in glee, then listen quietly as they are read to. Drag queens inspire us to have fun dressing up and pretending to be something we're not -- like both boys and girls dressing up as Louise or Daniel Tiger.Quote:
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