This is happening in Washington .This is happening in Albany. This is coming to your home .

Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)member Richard Trumka wants gas stoves banned . He called the gas stove a 'hidden hazard' .and that "any option is on the table" to regulate them.


In October he proposed this at a meeting of the CPSC He told reporters that given enough public pressure,there “could get a regulation on the books before this time next year.”

Consumer safety board to weigh regulations on gas stoves | The Hill

News of this filtered down this week and it created a bit of a backlash . Clueless mouthpiece KJP deflected the issue back to the CPSC and said he does not support a ban . Trumka also backed down .

The concern is not accidental burns . There is allegedly a danger of indoor pollution.That runs against the EPA's recommendations.

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What about gas or propane stoves? Are they EPA-certified?
Gas stoves (and gas fireplace inserts) do not require EPA certification. Whether designed to burn natural gas or propane, they burn very cleanly, emitting very little pollution.

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Burn Wise - Frequently Asked Questions | Burn Wise | US EPA

Any concern could be dealt with by installing exhaust fans .

WH denials and Trumka back tracking doesn't change the fact that banning is on their mind.

All you need to do is look at NY to see that the move to ban gas appliances is on the way.

N.Y. Gov. Hochul proposes ban on new gas hookups, to fight climate change (yahoo.com)

Kathy Hochul’s Latest Brainstorm - WSJ

Come 2030, New Yorkers won’t be allowed to replace their gas stoves with new ones if they break down. “As you begin making a transition, everyone will have to switch out appliances,” a state official explained.

Come 2035, New Yorkers and Californians won’t be able to buy new gasoline-powered cars either.

You don't like government banning anything. Should we reverse the government ban on child labor?

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Come 2030, New Yorkers won’t be allowed to replace their gas stoves with new ones if they break down. “As you begin making a transition, everyone will have to switch out appliances,” a state official explained.

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Aside from the utter stupidity of the decision, it will, as often happens with new government regs, hurt the poor the most. To replace a gas stove will require running 240 volt wiring to the wall behind the stove. Depending on the situation, that could easily run several hundred dollars if not more.

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You don't like government banning anything. Should we reverse the government ban on child labor?

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Do you have a serious question ?

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Aside from the utter stupidity of the decision, it will, as often happens with new government regs, hurt the poor the most. To replace a gas stove will require running 240 volt wiring to the wall behind the stove. Depending on the situation, that could easily run several hundred dollars if not more.

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good thing I don't live in NY anymore . My home was 1930s Sears mail order delivered home that had oil burner steam heat . I spent a fortune converting it to natural gas that included putting in a new efficient boiler ;replacing most of the cast iron pipes throughout the home with copper pipes ;and replacing all the old radiators (not including replacing sections of the hard wood floor that had rotted under the radiators . And yes also upgraded the electric panel .

Hochul's plan calls for NO new gas heating systems in new construction and the conversion of old homes and the eventual conversion of all homes and buildings in the state .


Clueless is all on board with supporting local initiatives to ban gas . His administration filed an amicus brief of a 9th Circus Court case supporting a Berkley Ca. ban

They want us all to cook on electric induction ranges . They may very well prove the superior technology . But whatever health harm that gas ranges do can be addressed with a warning about the dangers . Then they should treat us like adults who are free people capable of making decisions by ourselves .

Hochul backs eventual ban on gas furnaces and stoves in new buildings - POLITICO

As I understand it, the issue is not so much the supposed danger of indoor pollution as it is CO2 contributing to the supposed climate change. But natural gas/propane are among the cleanest burning of all fossil fuels and should be favored as opposed to banned. It makes no sense.

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Let me put it this way: you consistently criticize any government actions because they are government actions.That is the right-wing position on government. Whether the action is good doesn't matter. You want the "market" to correct bad situations.

That is naive in the extreme, not to mention that it supports unbridled Capitalism which only reacts far later, if ever, than government would.

Child labor was an example to get your attention. So, yes, it was a serious question.

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As I understand it, the issue is not so much the supposed danger of indoor pollution as it is CO2 contributing to the supposed climate change

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Yes that is the REAL reason . But the CPSC 's Richard Trumka used indoor pollution as his justification .

asking me if I support child labor is an absurd question not worthy of a reply.

I criticize needless and unconstitutional government action.

I would not know about "unbridled "capitalism as it has never been practiced Government regulation has always been a part of doing business .

Capitalists thrive because they identify and cater to other people's needs and desires along with their own self interest . Customer interest must be prioritized for a company to succeed in the long run .Companies that fail to understand and respect what consumers want will lose market share and eventually disappear

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asking me if I support child labor is an absurd question not worthy of a reply.

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Yet, you replied.

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I criticize needless and unconstitutional government action.

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Nobody wants needless and unconstitutional government.

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I would not know about "unbridled "capitalism as it has never been practiced Government regulation has always been a part of doing business

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Unbridled capitalism is practiced whenever it is not properly regulated. As an historian, I'm sure you're familiar with the oil industry, the tobacco industry, the automotive industry, and so many of those late night TV ads promising shoddy products because it can get away with it for a year or so until the regulators catch up and then it changes names and goes off again.

How about Bernie Madoff and the financial schemes that pop up regularly? All these are unbridled capitalism. There are plenty more where these came from.

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I would not know about "unbridled "capitalism as it has never been practiced Government regulation has always been a part of doing business .

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l think the term for which you are advocating is "free enterprise". It's the golden key of prosperity. Some government regulation is necessary, but what is being done in NY and Cali is just the pursuit of wrong-headed ideology.

The false and ridiculous charge is the absolutist contention that

You don't like government banning anything.

I am not a nihilist and there is a big line between that and believing in the limited government the framers envisioned.

https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...eg&oe=63ED1A4B

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I am not a nihilist and there is a big line between that and believing in the limited government the framers envisioned.

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The framers in 1789 are a far cry from today's ideas in 2023. A lot changes in 234 years.

so you do want to abolish our form of government then

The 2nd amendment refers to muskets.

the rights in the bill of rights are ageless

We have an ageless right to keep and bear muskets.

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No, the only Americans I know that want to abolish our form of government are Donald Trump and his followers.

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The 2nd amendment refers to muskets.

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No, it doesn't. But even at that, you have to remember that muskets were the pinnacle of firearms technology in the eighteenth century, so you really should say that the second amendment refers to the peak of firearms technology, whatever that is for this day.

The Bee does it again

Biden Calls For Two Weeks Of Not Cooking On Gas Stoves To Flatten The Curve | Babylon Bee

Stacy Abrams new grift is that she is joining the fight to ban gas stoves.

Stacey Abrams — Rewiring America

The group is funded by non-profit ' Windward Fund ' which is financed by dark money donations. Rewiring America does not file taxes itself which makes it a perfect place to pocket line .

The group is forefront in the campaign to ban gas stoves . They were featured prominently in the White House Inflation Reduction Act efforts ;and at the WH Electrifcation summit in December .

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Alex Laskey, Founder and Executive Chair of Rewiring America, highlighted the role of household and business energy choices in addressing climate, cited estimates of cost savings and job creation, and argued that electrification fundamentally changes the paradigm regarding climate action – lowering emissions while getting better service at lower cost.
“From our count, 42% of all emissions [result from] decisions that are made at kitchen tables. That includes the cars we drive as well as how we heat our homes, heat the water in our homes, cook our food, and dry our clothing. … [Electrification creates] an opportunity for financial savings on the order of $1800 a year on average across the U.S. per household in a country where more than half of Americans don’t have $1000 to meet an emergency need. … [With the Inflation Reduction Act], the average American household has an electric bank account … it’s got $10,600 on average in it to help people electrify their homes. The challenge is that nobody knows about it yet. [We] have to let people know they have this money waiting for them to help them save.”

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Readout of the White House Electrification Summit: Achieving Our Climate and Equity Goals | OSTP | The White House

The group is big in promoting the use of convection stoves. Abrams is going to do legal work for them.

Her announcement comes as her Georgia voting grift is coming under scrutiny . Her ' New Georgia Project' disclosed a $533,000 consulting payment in 2021 to the 'Black Males Initiative', which claims it did not receive any funding from the organization .

Stacey Abrams Charity Has a $500,000 Problem In Its Latest Tax Filing (freebeacon.com)

Abrams does all of this between writing porn novels. I just wonder why we Americans put up with people like her and Biden telling us what kind of stove we can have. Just amazing. And in the meantime, we're overlooking the agricultural benefits of the increased CO2.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...and-hurt-crops

If you grow an abundance of food ,it kills their Malthusian delusions about the planet not being able to sustain the human population. Eat bugs

I am not opposed to having a debate about climate change and the effect of increased atmospheric CO2. I am opposed to this ideologically driven, government takeover based upon pretty thin evidence.

It's a "consensus " of the "experts "Thou shall not dispute consensus conclusions of the church of climate change where the woke are the Pope.

Speaking of consensus thinking ... how did that get us in the run up to the Iraq war (20 years ago) where the consensus of the national security and intelligence establishment were sure that Saddam was stock piling massive amounts of chemical and biological weapons ?

There is a stunning illogic in this move to ban gas stoves ...New York being the next state considering this insanity .

The proposal is to replace them with electric stoves. But almost half of NY electricity is the result of gas generation. The gas fires up the generators to make electrictiy . Then it gets transmitted to the home. 66% of the primary energy used to create electricity is wasted by the time the electricity arrives at the customer meter. Almost 10% of the electricity is lost in the transmission alone.

How Much Primary Energy Is Wasted Before Consumers See Value from Electricity? - Enerdynamics


It takes three times as much energy to deliver electricity to your stove than gas.

Gas vs. Electric Stoves: Which is really more efficient? | HowStuffWorks

The simple solution to preventing harmful emissions from affecting your health is to make sure that the fumes get properly vented.

It seems to me that it is far more efficient to burn the gas at the source.

now they want to take away your ceiling fan.

Proposed in the summer ;the plan would impose energy standards on ceiling fans. Critics say it would have a negative impact on small businesses.

Regulations.gov

(there will be separate regulations regarding the lights in a ceiling fan)

To the household it would save a whopping $39 over the life of the fan. To the manufacturers ? The cost will be $86.6 million per year .


"The House Committee on Small Business writes to inquire about the recent proposed rule change to the energy conservation standards for ceiling fans. This proposed rule would decrease the maximum estimated energy consumption permissible for large diameter and belt driven ceiling fans. This rule would require numerous small business fan manufacturers to redesign their products and may put between 10 and 30 percent of small business ceiling fan manufacturers out of business. It appears that the Department of Energy (DOE) may not have properly considered small entities during this rulemaking process.
“It is important for agencies to examine small businesses interests—which make up 99.9 percent of all businesses in the United States—when passing any new rule. America’s small businesses deserve to have their voices heard and considered.”


Committee Republicans Pen Letter to Biden’s Energy Department for their Attack on Ceiling Fan Manufacturers | House Committee on Small Business

Congressman Josh Brecheen has introduced legislation to stop the madness. It will go nowhere.

Oklahoma Congressman Josh Brecheen Introduces Small Business Ceiling Fan Manufacturer Protection Act | Business & Energy | citynewsokc.com

It's one of the negative consequences of electing a bunch of relatively ignorant busy-bodies to Congress. Lacking the courage to tackle real problems like deficit spending or the southern border, they instead want to appear to be important with legislation affecting areas that are of no real importance.

and electing those who would rule by the administrative leviathan ;executive decree fiat

Stacy Abrams is back in the news . Lee Zeldin at EPA has uncovered a scheme by Clueless Joe to stash away $2 billion unspent EPA funds; allocated in the Inflation Reduction Act ,and launder it through a fake NGO she set up .

Zeldin EPA discovers $2 billion Biden admin stashed away for Stacey Abrams-linked climate group


This was part of $20 billion he found that was "squirrelled" away that they wanted to give away to radical left wing groups aligned with Joe (10% for the big guy) to prevent both Trump clawing the money back and oversight of where the money would be distributed .

That all of those kinds of actions were occurring during a time of alarming deficit spending just illustrates the general corruption present in D.C. Time for them to go. They have disgraced themselves.