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A man attacked Congressman and gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldin with a weapon yesterday. He wasn't able to do much harm because several good Samaritans tackled him and took the knife-like weapon away from him. You might would think that would be a pretty serious crime, but evidently not. As Zeldin described it on Twitter, "His words as he tried to stab me a few hours ago were “you’re done”, but several attendees, including (Allison Esposito), quickly jumped into action & tackled the guy. Law enforcement was on the scene within minutes. The attacker will likely be instantly released under NY’s laws."

The attacker was indeed released the same day. Incredible.

He would not have been released if his target was Kathy Hochul

Prior to the attach Hochel published Zeldin's campaign agenda with the dates and times of campaign events. One could call that incitement. .

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Prior to the attach Hochel published Zeldin's campaign agenda with the dates and times of campaign events. One could call that incitement. .

Oh my!!! How "inciteful" you are! No politician has ever done that before -- published their agenda!!! The attacker would have walked had Kathy Hochul been his target.

I lived in that area for almost 15 years. New York now has a cashless bail law. Attempted assault is a felony in New York, but criminal justice reform legislation passed in 2019 bars judges from setting bail because the charge is "nonviolent." (His words during the attack sound like he was testing something from the oven.) The unemployed attacker, who was having major emotional and psychological problems, is an Iraq war vet and was drunk. He was arraigned in Perinton Town Court in Monroe County and released on his own recognizance.

nonviolent ? If Zeldin had not grabbed the attacker's wrist he would've been stabbed in the throat or neck . The guy attacked a Congressional Rep and he was released ? Come on ! You can't believe that is good justice .

Hundreds of Jan 6 rioters who did not attack Reps and only took selfies are still detained unconstitutionally . Yet here we have a case where only the swift reaction of the Congressman and his team prevented tragedy .

"Your done " as in he was going to stick a fork in him ?

It's OK as long as the attacker, "was having major emotional and psychological problems," was drunk, and most importantly, was attacking a republican. So it all goes down like this. Attack a major political figure with intent to do bodily harm or worse, get taken down by spectators, get arrested and taken to jail, get processed in a few hours, and then get released on your own recognizance (meaning you really, really promise to behave yourself and show up for court) so you can then go out and attack someone else. Just bear in mind that if a person is engaged in truly serious criminal activity such as protesting in front of an abortion clinic, then the rules become much stricter.

I am SO glad I don't live in a goof-ball state like New York.

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Hundreds of Jan 6 rioters who did not attack Reps and only took selfies are still detained unconstitutionally .

That was different. They did not attack repubs; they WERE repubs, and even worse were Trump supporters. Tom, you must learn the nuances of the current political environment.

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Oh my!!! How "inciteful" you are! No politician has ever done that before -- published their agenda!!!

Uhm...perhaps you missed the point? She didn't post her own agenda; she posted her opponent's agenda. Why do you suppose she would have done that? "Hey, everybody! Go out and listen to the republican guy. Vote for him!"

No, stab that opponent with a fork to see if he/she is done.

She had sent out email about his agenda, not "posted" or "published" it. The email, which was a spoof to an original email sent by the Zeldin campaign about the upcoming events, was only sent to members of the press, according to a Hochul campaign source.

Plus, the attacker was on people's mental watch list. His wife had died, his kids had been taken away by his brother, and he was still dealing with mental fallout from the Iraq War. Inebriation was his bandage.

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Plus, the attacker was on people's mental watch list. His wife had died, his kids had been taken away by his brother, and he was still dealing with mental fallout from the Iraq War. Inebriation was his bandage.

Yeah. He's just the kind of guy that you can be assured will show up for his trial and not hurt anyone while he's out on his "own recognizance". It's just incredible. That's all I know to say.

I agree. He should have been detained and gotten a mental health examination (his life is a mess) -- plus jail time for his offense.

So once again it's one of those seemingly rare moments when we agree.

Scary, isn't it.

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I am SO glad I don't live in a goof-ball state like New York.

This is what I did about it .

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It's a wonderful, beautiful state -- Letchworth State Park (Grand Canyon of the East), the Hudson River Valley, the Catskills and Adirondacks, Lake Ontario, Niagara Falls (the Maid of the Mist!!!), Seabreeze Amusement Park in Rochester, the Finger Lakes, and so much more!

https://villageofperry.com/site/asse...letchworth.jpg

I of course spent many days exploring the natural beauty of the state . I spent my childhood on Long Island and much of my adult life in the Hudson Valley .That does not negate the fact that the state is still controlled by the Tammany Hall crime organization called the NY Democrats . But at least the Dems in my youth understood that law and order made for a civil society . Instead of posting picturesque photos of places MOST NYers don't go to maybe you should show pictures of the decerped unlivable areas of Rochester,Newburg ,Buffalo ,Albany ,Syracuse

and NYC .
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/resiz...nderbread.jpeg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...20070828014222

Here is what should be a preserved historical monument .... the Erie Canal
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Major crime skyrockets 37% in NYC, NYPD data shows (nypost.com)

So you are saying that just releasing criminals willy-nilly could lead to an increase in crime? Velllyyy interesting.

I lived NW of Rochester and crossed the Erie Canal twice a day when I went to and from the town where my high school was. I stupidly surrendered the NYS Regents scholarship I had earned, and should have gone to a state university, full ride. Back in the '50s and '60s, most western NYers were state travelers and had visited most state landmarks, attractions, and natural wonders. And yes, the state population has soared and changed since those decades.

It's not the population that is the problem. It is the idiotic and insane policies of the liberal dem government.

Republicans won't fix it.

Idiotic and insane polices, once made smart and sane, become much better policies.

This kind of idiocy doesn't help matters any. I think Biden is a terrible pres, but it makes no sense to give his wife a hard time. Felt the same way about the senseless insults directed at AOC. We conservatives should not be copying the strategies of the left.

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First lady Jill Biden was heckled by unknown bystanders on Wednesday as she walked into a Connecticut ice cream shop.
"Your husband is the worst President we ever had, you owe us gas money," a man shouted at Biden as she walked into the Arethusa Farms ice cream shop in New Haven.
"Thank you! Thank you for your support, thank you!" Biden responded with a smile and a wave.
A second heckler then shouted at Biden, "You suck!"

Plus, Republicans are CHRISTIAN!

As opposed to dems?

But I'm sure you remember all the times that conservatives demonstrated outside the houses of SCOTUS justices because they did not like of their decisions. No...wait. I'm sorry. That actually hasn't happened.

Or the times that conservative groups pillaged and burned repeatedly because of whatever? Well...hmmm. Outside of 1/6, which didn't include any burning or pillaging, that hasn't happened either, though lib dems have done it dozens of times.

Reply, oh thou civil liberal dem?

I'm a Christian and a Republican.

You might be a Christian. You are far removed from being a republican.

And as usual, you had no reply.

Why are Republicans so lazy, so uninvolved, so inactive? They pis- ooops aggravate me so much!

Yes, I am a Republican and vote for who I consider the most qualified candidates from the Republican, Democrat, Independent, Know-Nothing, Bull Moose, etc. parties.

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Why are Republicans so lazy, so uninvolved, so inactive? They pis- ooops aggravate me so much!

But claiming to be a repub, you are describing yourself!!

I suppose in the age in which one gender can supposedly claim to be the other, then your claim to be a repub is actually somewhat less absurd than that.

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But claiming to be a repub, you are describing yourself!!

Believe me, I'd be out there flingin' and slingin' if I were younger and healthier!

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I suppose in the age in which one gender can supposedly claim to be the other, then your claim to be a repub is actually somewhat less absurd than that.

You know not of what you speak.

If your developing fetal brain had been doused with an overabundance of estrogen, by the age of four or five, you'd have felt weird, like a girl in the wrong body.

That tired old theory has already been debunked. You need to come up with a new wild tale. Even worse, the first iteration of your original tall tale involved testosterone. We eagerly await wild tale #3.

Testosterone is part of the story too. Didn't want to bore you with repeating scientific details.

You have no “scientific details”. Just some old wives tales. I eagerly anticipate the third version. Will probably include something about alien spaceships.

I'm good friends with several trans women who've told me in detail of their medical experiences. I'm friends with a male who filled me in as he has begun his transitioning journey. It's a very detailed and specific and painstaking process when done right.

All of which has nothing to do with your estrogen/testosterone/alien spaceship theories.

That's because, like Athos and I both have said, your reading comprehension is deplorable.

When you have no facts and no logic, then you turn to insults. You would be much better served to be a little humble and acknowledge your errors. Even worse, you ally yourself with a person who told the wildest story I have seen in many a year with his Aquinas fable. It was even worse than your fake story about sexual abuse. You would certainly seem to be in bad company.

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An ad hominem fallacy uses personal attacks rather than logic. This fallacy occurs when someone rejects or criticizes another point of view based on the personal characteristics, ethnic background, physical appearance, or other non-relevant traits of the person who holds it.

I insult only after I've been insulted. Talk to trans people and be honest, a good listener. Even my hematologist understands and agrees with the science.

I have not insulted you. I have pointed out that these ideas of yours involve no science at all. You have presented them here and could not defend them.

Insult: "You have no “scientific details”. Just some old wives tales. I eagerly anticipate the third version. Will probably include something about alien spaceships."

Well, it is true that your science has been very poor and has amounted to old wives tales. The spaceship comment was intended to be funny. I’m sorry if it came across as insulting. If you want to make a case from science, then you must make an accurate one. You have not done so.