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Democratic Representative Veronica Escobar TX, “there is one party in America that is so tied to the NRA, so addicted to their money and their endorsement, that they are willing to let babies die. And that is the Republican Party.”

Huh?? I wonder if she sees the irony in that comment.

Same old same old . Even Bubba understood to not politicize a tragedy. The first 2 minutes or so it sounded like Clueless understood that .Of course he did not sound any where's near as upset when his botched Afghan withdrawal cost us 13 troops .

Then Clueless launched into a similar screed . “When in God’s name are we going to stand up to the gun lobby?” Insisting that the 1994 semi-automatic ban worked ;he called for their banning again The Columbine attack occurred while there was a nationwide ban on semi-automatic rifles .

Did The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work? No. Here Are The Data. - The Gun Study
. Not one shooting in America has happened from an NRA member . The type of gun used in the shootings is unknown. He reportedly walked into the school with a rifle and a handgun AFTER firing at police .

The one common denominator in all the mass shootings is that the criminal targets unarmed people . As usual the Dems resort to solutions that don't work . The vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal guns .

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In the 13 states with the fewest restrictions on gun ownership, 40 percent of inmates illegally obtained the gun they used, Webster said. Only about 13 percent purchased the gun from a store or pawn shop.
In the other 37 states, including New York state, 60 percent of inmates illegally procured the gun they used, Webster said.
"If you look at the most stringent standards for legal gun ownership, it’s more like 65 percent,"

PolitiFact | Is most gun crime committed by those who illegally possess guns?

To those who think that this is a matter that should be left to law enforcement and say that the 2nd amendment was created at a time when people could not rely on timely law enforcement ;the shootings at Robb Elementary occurred with police on hand. They called for backup and that took several minutes when seconds counted .

The 2 problems that need addressing is mental health ;especially among our teens and youth ;and adequate safety at our schools and other public institutions .

When I was in high school in the sixties (no, not the 1860's), boys would routinely bring their hunting rifles to school so they could leave school and hit the woods. No one shot the place up. But there was respect for life then. Movies were not nearly as unspeakably violent as they are today. There was no public endorsement of abortion. Prayer was exercised in many schools. The Ten Commandments, including a prohibition on murder, were posted on many school walls. I wonder if all of that made a difference?

The population figure was much lower. Plus no video games, families were Mom, Dad, and kids, rape and sexual molestation existed but were generally rare, and churches preached hellfire and fear, not love.

loss of family values is a prime culprit when seeking causation. Society also must recognizing that there is a thing called pure evil that has to be defended against .
Fatherlessness ? keep your mouth shut ! Even though back in the day we nostalagize about it was the father who taught gun safety and responsibility to our generation.
That is why my peers were able to bring guns to school and have gun clubs in the schools .

University of Virginia Professor Brad Wilcox in 2013, "nearly every shooting over the last year in Wikipedia’s 'list of U.S. school attacks' involved a young man whose parents divorced or never married in the first place.”
Sons of Divorce, School Shooters | Institute for Family Studies (ifstudies.org)

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The population figure was much lower. Plus no video games, families were Mom, Dad, and kids, rape and sexual molestation existed but were generally rare, and churches preached hellfire and fear, not love.

Perhaps you will be happy to know that I find some points of agreement with you, especially concerning family issues and video games. I would say fatherless families are a enormous problem as well as generally decreasing church attendance.

I talked with my son about this today at lunch. He is, I'm sad to report, a liberal dem, but he does have some good sense and asks some good questions. He asked why I thought this epidemic of mass shootings seemed to be in U.S. and not so much elsewhere. I thought that was similarly a good question. I'm sure the relative scarcity of semi-auto weapons in other countries plays some part in it.

Video games it turns out plays a big role in this recent attack. Add to that the isolation that many kids were forced to live in under insane covid protocols

This is stunning .

Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.
“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.
Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.
Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.
“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”
“They were unprepared,” he added.

19 children, 2 adults killed in Texas school rampage | AP News

Former Pres Obama tweeted this nonsense.

"As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer, His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him."
"In the aftermath of his murder, a new generation of activists rose up to channel their anguish into organized action, launching a movement to raise awareness of systemic racism and the need for criminal justice and police reform."

Amazing how liberal dems cannot pass up any opportunity to continue to stir racial division.

Republicans: anti-abortion but pro-gun.

What is wrong with this picture?!

there is nothing that says that being pro-gun = pro- murder . whereas if you are pro -abortion you are pro- murder

Well said, Tom.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

there is nothing that says that being pro-gun = pro- murder . whereas if you are pro -aborion you are pro- murder

Should I list all the school mass murders? Mass murders in public places? Then you pro-gun people better add a few more restrictions and enforcements before someone can own a gun.

What use are they anyway, especially assault rifles? My husband almost shot a neighbor in the head when she tapped on our front door one evening, needing to borrow two eggs for cookies she was making. Guns should not exist. Look what guns have done in Ukraine -- e.g., 200 Ukranians who were hiding in a basement were shot and killed. The innocents always pay the price.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Republicans: anti-abortion but pro-gun.

And Democrats: Anti-gun and Pro-choice.
Do you see the dichotomy in all of this...

There really are some subjects that should be approached with a holistic and pragmatic outlook rather than merely opposing everything the other political party has to say.

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Should I list all the school mass murders? Mass murders in public places? Then you pro-gun people better add a few more restrictions and enforcements before someone can own a gun.

What restrictions and enforcements are you suggesting?

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What use are they anyway, especially assault rifles? My husband almost shot a neighbor in the head when she tapped on our front door one evening, needing to borrow two eggs for cookies she was making. Guns should not exist. Look what guns have done in Ukraine -- e.g., 200 Ukranians who were hiding in a basement were shot and killed. The innocents always pay the price.

We cannot help it if your hubster does not know how to handle a gun. He should definitely learn.

How many of the 200 poor Ukranians had guns themselves?

Many centuries ago the Mongols swept across Asia and murdered tens of thousands of innocents. The Romans did likewise (look up the siege of Jerusalem) as did the Goths and Huns and many others. They had no guns, but they did have evil in their hearts.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

What restrictions and enforcements are you suggesting?

Gun ownership at age 21 or even older, not 18. Certificate of proof of firearms classes on proper use. Annual classes in order to renew the certificate. No sales of AR-15s or other assault rifles. I have more but will rest for now.

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We cannot help it if your hubster does not know how to handle a gun. He should definitely learn.

He's had a wealth of training and experience.

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How many of the Ukranians had guns themselves?

Oooooo, so the Russians shot and killed them in self defense.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

What restrictions and enforcements are you suggesting?

Let me make a list.

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We cannot help it if your hubster does not know how to handle a gun. He should definitely learn.

He has been well trained.

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How many of the 200 poor Ukranians had guns themselves?

Lemmee, stick you into a dank, dark basement for a few weeks, then let a hoarde of Russians with automatic weapons bash their way in. Hmm.... Who has the upper hand?

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They had no guns, but they did have evil in their hearts.

The Uvalde shooter had evil in his heart and an assault rifle in his hands.

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He's had a wealth of training and experience.

Yeah. Really sounds like it. Either he doesn't know what he's doing, or you've just made up another story.

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Oooooo, so the Russians shot and killed them in self defense.

Uhm...no. The point is that the Ukrainians were unarmed and completely unable to defend themselves.

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Gun ownership at age 21 or even older, not 18. Certificate of proof of firearms classes on proper use. Annual classes in order to renew the certificate. No sales of AR-15s or other assault rifles. I have more but will rest for now.

You mean like the certificate your hubby had when he almost killed your neighbor? How will a class on the "proper use" of a firearm stop mass shootings? Do you think those killers were simply unaware that shooting elementary school children is something that should not be done?

Finished with the legal opinion yet?

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Originally Posted by Curlyben

There really are some subjects that should be approached with a holistic and pragmatic outlook rather than merely opposing everything the other political party has to say.

But, unfortunately, neither side is willing to rationally discuss the issues with the other side.

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Should I list all the school mass murders? Mass murders in public places? Then you pro-gun people better add a few more restrictions and enforcements before someone can own a gun.

My take is that almost all of them were in "gun free zones" as if that is some kind of panacea . Real solutions would be to have armed guards properly trained to guard schools ;and conceal and carry trained teachers . There would be many volunteers for both, Many private guards are ex-police and military . I can guarantee that they would not have waited for some school official to find the key to the locked classroom that the shooter was barricaded in as he plugged away at children.

Where were the cops ? They let him kill for almost an hour !!!!! They waited until they were about 40 strong and still did not enter until the border control showed up and took the shooter down.

I've said it many times . You cannot rely on the police when your life is at stake .When seconds count they are minutes away to draw chalk marks around the victims

What are guns for ? WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE FROM PREDATORS BE THEY CRIMINAL OR GOVERNMENT DESPOTS .

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My husband almost shot a neighbor in the head when she tapped on our front door one evening, needing to borrow two eggs for cookies she was making.

Sorry that is a lack of competence and an irresponsible gun owner .

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Guns should not exist.

welcome to utopia ,a perfect imaginary world

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

shooting elementary school children is something that should not be done?

Thus, we need more mental health assistance. And parenting classes. And two-parent families where the parents are responsible and worthy.

Why don't schools have locked metal exit and entrance doors?

Why are there guns in the first place?

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There really are some subjects that should be approached with a holistic and pragmatic outlook rather than merely opposing everything the other political party has to say.

here here ! However there is not a state in the nation that does not have gun restrictions . If the starting point is to disarm Americans ;it is not going to happen. And don't listen to Clueless demagogue the issue by comparing it to hunting deer in Kevlar .Hunting is only one of the many reasons to own guns. The 2nd amendment was added to address our God given right to self defense .
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Originally Posted by tomder55

Hunting is only one of the many reasons to own guns. The 2nd amendment was added to address our God given right to self defense .

Why would anyone want to kill one of God's beautiful creatures like a deer, just for fun?

Why do we need to defend ourselves? Guns aren't the answer.

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Thus, we need more mental health assistance. And parenting classes. And two-parent families where the parents are responsible and worthy.

Did we have all of that 50 years ago when these occurrences were comparatively rare? What has changed since then?

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Why don't schools have locked metal exit and entrance doors?

Because people need to go in and out of the school building many, many times a day. Schools are now more and more going to one way in and out with a security guard at the door, but many of the 130,000 or so public school campuses cannot be converted to that design. The last school I worked at was one of those.

I still wonder why this is so frequent now but was not frequent fifty years ago.

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Why would anyone want to kill one of God's beautiful creatures like a deer, just for fun?

If you have eaten venison steaks before you would not have asked that question. Deer are over populated in most sections of the country because we culled their natural predators .

Why do we need to defend ourselves? Welcome to utopia that imaginary world in the mind . You live and Chi-town and have to ask that question :?:

BTW, pretty sure you got the story wrong on the Ukrainians in the basement. They were not shot by Russian troops. The likelihood is that the building was bombed. Doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does point out that guns were not the issue.

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Deer are over populated in most sections of the country because we culled their natural predators .

That is absolutely true here. People have to realize that all deer are going to die. The only question is how. I don't hunt, but I know people who do. Hunting is generally good for the deer population as it keeps the numbers down which is important.

but it does point out that guns were not the issue. and neither was it in Oklahoma city or on 9-11 . To my knowlege fertilizer and box cutters were not banned after .

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but it does point out that guns were not the issue

Correct. It seems that being careless with the truth is fine as long as it fits into the narrative.

My answer would be for doors locked to the outside but for fire safety doors should be able to be opened from the inside . Anyone who wants access to the building must pass through security .

School shootings are almost non-existent in Israel where security concerns are much more critical and complicated . Schools are not secure in this country because of a myopic obsession with this belief that banning guns will keep people safe .

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You live and Chi-town and have to ask that question :?:

No, I don't live in Chicago.

Turns out there was no armed security on the school campus when the shooter arrived. He stood outside, as I understand it, for several minutes shooting some rounds at the school. He then found an unlocked door in the rear of the campus and entered a fourth grade classroom where he did, it seems, most if not all of the killing. I really wonder what happened in those minutes when he was shooting but not yet in the building. Our old school could get locked down in less than a minute, so I am puzzled at some of this. The police initially entered the building, but when they were fired on they pulled back, took cover, and asked for more help.

So it just seems that there could have been better preparation and reaction. When I was a principal, I decided it would be nice to be armed and well-trained. Even at that, it just seems that our values in this country have sunk to a very low place. We kill hundreds of thousands of unborn children without so much as a blink of the eye. We kill on video games (graphically!) and see people killed on television and movies in ways that look completely realistic. Church attendance is the lowest it's been in perhaps the history of the country. Combine all of that with the availability of guns and you have trouble.

I'm hoping it was a breakdown in protocol . Standing around for 40 minutes even if there was not another shot is unconscionable .In that time I'm betting a wounded child died. Now I hear the cops were playing crowd control keeping parents from taking action , It included cuffing a mom and tasering a father .

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That is not being done with women seeking abortions in most places. It varies from state to state. The same is true of people making gun purchases. The man's tweet might could be taken seriously if he knew what he was talking about. His description of an ultrasound is ridiculous. The typical sonogram is not done in that manner. Most women don't drive long distances since most states have multiple facilities which can be driven to in a fairly short time period. So his claims are just absurdly stupid. They are typical of what I stated above. It is easier to believe the convenient rather than to believe the truth.

State laws in a number of states regarding abortion will become more and more restrictive.

I notice you ragged on the abortion part (apparently you've never been pregnant) but didn't say a word about stricter gun laws and regulations.

Tell me which more restrictive gun law would prevent these shootings. Also tell us how well the very restrictive gun laws in Chicago are working.

The man made up nonsense about abortion and then compared that to gun purchases. Why didn’t you see that?

Read only the gun restriction section.

How would YOU fix this?

I have no problem with some of the suggestions like mandatory waiting periods ,more rigorous background checks .

Parental permission does not apply because only legal adults can buy guns now . There is no state that allows minors to purchase guns . Here are the Federal Guidelines

Under the Gun Control ACT (GCA) , shotguns and rifles, and ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 18 years of age or older. All firearms other than shotguns and rifles, and all ammunition other than ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 21 years of age or older. Licensees are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA regardless of state or local law. However, if state law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age for the purchase or disposition of firearms, the licensee must observe the higher age requirement
[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1) and (b)(2); 27 CFR 478.99(b)] These guidelines were reviewed in April of this year .

Most of the rest are nonsense . The vast majority of gun purchases are not for the purpose of committing murder whereas every single abortion does .
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The unanswered question.

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Tell me which more restrictive gun law would prevent these shootings.

How would I "fix it"? I don't think it can be "fixed" in the sense of preventing all mass shootings, but this would help.

1. Place the Ten Commandments back on the schoolhouse walls. (Would have to be state by state.)
2. Have all schools begin the day with this prayer. "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon You, and we ask for Your blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our country." (Again, would have to be state by state.)
3. Provide armed and well trained security for all schools.
4. Make school campuses as secure as is practically possible.
5. Return to the two-parent family.
6. Make divorce more difficult.
7. Stop the practice of abortion out of respect for human life.

Only the third and fourth items would do much for the present. The others would yield many long-term benefits. I don't think a waiting period for gun purchases would accomplish anything in preventing these mass shootings. A public service campaign encouraging people to report dangerous posts on social media might help some. It would have helped in this most recent incident.

I asked, "Tell me which more restrictive gun law would prevent these shootings."

The reply was, "Read only the gun restriction section." I had hoped she would have expressed ideas of her own, but nonetheless I pulled these from the poorly thought out tweet.

1. Mandatory waiting period. Won't hurt but won't prevent mass shootings at all.
2. Parental permission. Completely stupid suggestion.
3. Note from doctor. Ridiculous.
4. Ultrasound with wand up rectum. Huh?
5. Only one gun store per state. Ridiculous.
6. Walk through a "gauntlet" of protestors to buy a gun. If the anti-gun lobby wants to do that, then they are free to do it. So far they have not done so, and I doubt they have the courage to do it.

I'll add one more to my list above. Do more to prevent people with serious mental illness from buying a gun. I'm not sure how that can be done, but if something workable is possible, then I'd be all for it.