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A bus from Texas arrived in Washington, D.C. Wednesday morning, transporting dozens of illegal immigrants as part of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s new plan to counter federal immigration policies during an ongoing border crisis.
Abbott announced last week that he was directing the Texas Division of Emergency Management (TDEM) to transport migrants released from federal custody in Texas to the nation’s capital and other locations outside his state.

I feel sorry for the immigrants, but they all volunteered for this so they know what they are getting into. But they need to get these liberal dems who love this idea so much to start housing them in their personal homes.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tex...washington-d-c

Yes, I agree. We (both liberal dems and repubs) did that during the Vietnam conflict -- churches in my town "adopted" refugee families, found them homes and jobs, taught them English, tutored their kids to better integrate in area schools (I was a math tutor!), and happily watched them become valuable members of society. One family opened what turned out to be a very popular Vietnamese restaurant. We were so proud of all our refugees!

Let's do that with Ukraine refugees!

I'm all for it. We need to help REFUGEES, but illegal immigrants are a different story. We need to control our borders.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I'm all for it. We need to help REFUGEES, but illegal immigrants are a different story. We need to control our borders.

So let's get a lot more kind and well-trained immigration/refugee processors down to the southern border!!! Let's thin out the hoards!

I think that's a good idea, but the problem is not that we are critically short of personnel to process requests. The problem is that the border is basically wide open and Biden has made it clear he intends to do nothing to stop the flood of illegal immigration and has, in fact, encouraged it.

Build the wall. And before you object that people can tunnel under walls, bear in mind that nothing is perfect, but the wall would increase the difficulty level of entering illegally by a hundred fold and would cut the numbers by a huge percentage.

Training personnel isn't a long process. And it can be done in stages, even at the border. Establish lots more checkpoints along the border. Inform incoming people as to possible US destinations, living places, and connect them to US citizens who have volunteered to help the immigrants/refugees get settled. Work out a plan with the illegals.

Illegals are crossing at the rate of about 2 million a year, and that's just the ones we "encounter". What do you suggest we do with the ones who just say, "Sorry, but we are entering your country with or without your agreement?" Should we let them in or turn them back? If you suggest we turn them back, how should that be done?

Give illegals the opportunity to become legal.

A wall doesn't work and is a waste of money. It can be gotten over or under or around. Spend that money on something useful.

What makes them "illegal"?

Name a wall that isn’t working.

I bet you lock your door at night. Not a perfect solution, but much better than doing nothing.

what makes them illegal? Really?? You really don't know what makes an action "illegal"? Wow.

Why didn't you answer this?

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What do you suggest we do with the ones who just say, "Sorry, but we are entering your country with or without your agreement?" Should we let them in or turn them back? If you suggest we turn them back, how should that be done?

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Give illegals the opportunity to become legal.

And you are really not aware that such an opportunity/process already exists?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Name a wall that isn’t working.

None of the southern border walls have worked so far.

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And you are really not aware that such an opportunity/process already exists?

And such a golden, well-publicized opportunity it is!

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What do you suggest we do with the ones who just say, "Sorry, but we are entering your country with or without your agreement?" Should we let them in or turn them back? If you suggest we turn them back, how should that be done?

There are several very effective ways.

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churches in my town "adopted" refugee families

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These are not refugees . There is a process for refugees to enter the country that does not include bum rushing the border .

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Let's do that with Ukraine refugees!

I agree but they should also follow the rules requesting asylum and being granted it before entering

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Let's thin out the hoards!

Finally using appropriate terminology

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A wall doesn't work and is a waste of money. It can be gotten over or under or around. Spend that money on something useful.

What makes them "illegal"?

Of course walls work . 100% or nothing is a false criteria . People in East Germany stopped crossing the border into West Germany when the Berlin walll was built .
What makes them illegal ? The law

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None of the southern border walls have worked so far.

How do you know that? Do you really think that open ground is about the same deterrent as a wall?

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And such a golden, well-publicized opportunity it is!

Correct.

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There are several very effective ways.

Name one. I don't know why you are so reluctant to answer these questions other than, besides a wall, there are no answers.

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"What do you suggest we do with the ones who just say, "Sorry, but we are entering your country with or without your agreement?" Should we let them in or turn them back? If you suggest we turn them back, how should that be done?"

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There are several very effective ways.

deportation works best and sends a message that it is not worth the very high risk taken to cross the Darien Gap .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

These are not refugees .

Yes, during the Vietnam War they were fleeing their country with only the clothes on their backs.

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Of course walls work . People in East Germany stopped crossing the border into West Germany when the Berlin walll was built .

Walls we have built on the southern border can be scaled, tunneled under, gone around. The Berlin Wall worked because it had manned guard towers -- and more.

From Wikipedia: "The top of the wall was lined with a smooth pipe, intended to make it more difficult to scale. The Wall was reinforced by mesh fencing, signal fencing, anti-vehicle trenches, barbed wire, dogs on long lines, "beds of nails" (also known as "Stalin's Carpet") under balconies hanging over the "death strip", over 116 watchtowers,^[78] and 20 bunkers with hundreds of guards."

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What makes them illegal ? The law

What does that law say? And are there ways to satisfy it and become a legal immigrant?

Vietnam refugees were fleeing war . The illegal border crossers are seeking better economic opportunities .There is a world of differences .

Vietnam refugees were legally admitted after the Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act passed in 1975 by Congress . They did not bum rush the border .They were invited .

Today Vietnam immigrants are not refugees . They apply for green cards and are mostly sponsored by family members . That is the legal way . If a nation does not have an enforceable border then it is not a country .

Of course there are legal ways for immigrants to enter the country .
How to Enter the United States | USAGov

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Vietnam refugees were fleeing war . The illegal border crossers are seeking better economic opportunities .There is a world of differences .

Would you go to another country to find better economic opportunities if you lived in a sh*thole country?

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Vietnam refugees were legally admitted after the Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act passed in 1975 by Congress . They did not bum rush the border .They were invited .

And supported by American citizens.

Btw, even teens have been shown to be able to scale the southern wall. We need more border crossings and personnel.

It has been shown repeatedly that thieves can get around door locks and yet people continue to lock their doors since they understand that a locked door provides a great deal more security than an open one.

You still haven’t answered the million dollar question. What do you do if they won’t turn back?

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Would you go to another country to find better economic opportunities if you lived in a sh*thole country?

That was Trump language . There is no sh*thole country . There are sh*thole governments in nations I would oppose .

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Vietnam refugees were legally admitted after the Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act passed in 1975 by Congress . They did not bum rush the border .They were invited .

And supported by American citizens

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not universally but that is besides the point.

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Btw, even teens have been shown to be able to scale the southern wall. We need more border crossings and personnel.

Yes some can do so . It is still a deterrence . It is nonsense to argue that the exception rules .

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It is nonsense to argue that the exception rules .

Exactly correct. To think that open ground presents about the same difficulty as a wall is just a hard to understand line of reasoning .

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Exactly correct. To think that open ground presents about the same difficulty as a wall is just a hard to understand line of reasoning .

But then, only a few hundred miles were badly master-minded and built. Big whoop.

By Trump. None by liberal dems who have the transparent goal of allowing in as many potential future dem voters as possible.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

By Trump. None by liberal dems who have the transparent goal of allowing in as many potential future dem voters as possible.

I see how you slid right over the terrible job Trump did in getting that short stretch of wall built, and then you jumped right into bashing liberal dems. And I still don't know what they are.

If Trump had put his amazing brain to work, he could have figured out how to get those illegal immigrants on his team.

Would you like to answer the question? What would you do with those who refuse to turn back?

why do you think Trump’s wall was poorly built?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Would you like to answer the question? What would you do with those who refuse to turn back?

I'd figure out a legal workaround.

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why do you think Trump’s wall was poorly built?

It wasn't even completed!!! And people had no problem scaling it, tunneling under it, and walking east or west until they could go around it.

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I'd figure out a legal workaround.

Such as?

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It wasn't even completed!!!

I agree with you that it would have been far more effective if the dem Congress had gotten on board and completed it.

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And people had no problem scaling it, tunneling under it,

So a few hundred did that as opposed to several hundred thousand who would have simply walked across the open ground.

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and walking east or west until they could go around it.

As you implied earlier, it would have been far, far more effective if it had been completed.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Such as?

I'd have to read the legalese. Don't worry. I'd find ways.

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I agree with you that it would have been far more effective if the dem Congress had gotten on board and completed it.

It was Trump's baby. Why are you shoving it onto others?

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So a few hundred did that as opposed to several hundred thousand who would have simply walked across the open ground.

Thus, with some planning and coordinated effort, it could have been done very easily.

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As you implied earlier, it would have been far, far more effective if it had been completed.

So why didn't he?

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I'd have to read the legalese. Don't worry. I'd find ways.

In other words, you don't have the slightest idea. Wouldn't a simple, "I don't know," have been a much more adequate answer?

As to why the wall was not finished, that's a great question. He only had two years so getting it done in that time frame would have been tough, but I would like to have seen more finished, so that's a legit criticism of Trump.

How much did Biden build?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

In other words, you don't have the slightest idea. Wouldn't a simple, "I don't know," have been a much more adequate answer?

I haven't yet read the legal prohibitions -- what is allowed and not allowed. Since I'm retired and have countless hours of nothingness on my hands, I'll put together a comprehensive response just for you.

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As to why the wall was not finished, that's a great question. He only had two years so getting it done in that time frame would have been tough, but I would like to have seen more finished, so that's a legit criticism of Trump.

How much did Biden build?

Why didn't Trump win a second term and finish the wall?

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I haven't yet read the legal prohibitions -- what is allowed and not allowed. Since I'm retired and have countless hours of nothingness on my hands, I'll put together a comprehensive response just for you.

I will wait patiently for that. Not hopefully, but patiently. Just bear in mind that the question involves what to do with those who refuse to turn back and just keep coming in by the tens of thousands.

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Why didn't Trump win a second term and finish the wall?

His big mouth cost him the election. What is Biden's plan? Is he still reading the "legalese" and figuring out ways?

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I will wait patiently for that. Not hopefully, but patiently. Just bear in mind that the question involves what to do with those who refuse to turn back and just keep coming in by the tens of thousands.

And the parameters and constrictions increase....

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Why didn't Trump win a second term and finish the wall?

The pandemic created a situation where Dem politicians could rig the election in their favor . Since then the Dems have been doing everything they can to make the changes permanent .

Trump's ability to complete the wall was in no small way determinative of the ability of the opposition to use the administrative state and the judiciary to obstruct the job. He did what he could with executive action ;but the Presidency is not a dictatorship......yet .

I don't like the idea of a wall, but I don't know of anything else that will work. As we have seen here, the average anti-waller (new term) has no idea at all of what to do when tens of thousands of people a month are simply walking across and most refuse to turn back when confronted. You can't arrest/prosecute them all or even most of them. Shooting them is a terrible idea. The only thing that will work is a wall. If it reduces crossings by 90%, then the crisis becomes manageable.

But liberal dems don't want this to become a manageable crisis. The dems are allowing this to occur out of a conviction that these illegal immigrants will become dem voters at some time in the future. It is purely partisan, immoral politics.

Name three reasons people want to leave the country they were born in and grew up in, and move to a different country.

It is not a question of reason to want to immigrate . The question really is do they respect the nation they want to emigrate to ;or is their 1st act in the new nation a violation of that nations laws ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

It is not a question of reason to want to immigrate . The question really is do they respect the nation they want to emigrate to ;or is their 1st act in the new nation a violation of that nations laws ?

No, their first thought is, "I want to leave my home country because...."

Why?

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I haven't yet read the legal prohibitions -- what is allowed and not allowed. Since I'm retired and have countless hours of nothingness on my hands, I'll put together a comprehensive response just for you.

Waiting...patiently.

Your question is on the level of asking why someone would want to leave their house and break into mine, as though their reason would somehow make the entire enterprise OK.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Waiting...patiently.

Your question is on the level of asking why someone would want to leave their house and break into mine, as though their reason would somehow make the entire enterprise OK.

I've been doing my homework, but your unhelpful attitude makes me want to go on vacation again.

Waiting...patiently.

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No, their first thought is, "I want to leave my home country because...."

Why?

It is no different than it ever was . The vast majority leave for better economic opportunities. Until recently the vost majority abided by the laws of the country they want to adopt as their own. The US allows over a million legal immigrants annually . These are people who wait their turn. In contrast there are almost that many illegal border crossers apprehended annually .
The more illegal border crossers the fewer immigrants can be legally absorbed into the nation.

A man walked into my house today. He had my permission so it was legal. If someone else tries to walk in without my permission, even if they believe they have a good excuse, it is not legal.