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  • Jan 28, 2022, 05:46 AM
    tomder55
    We got a mighty convoy Ain't she a beautiful sight?
    Kudos to Canadian truckers tired of the BS mandates !!
    A massive convoy of trucks now stretches 44 miles long on it's way to Ottawa to protest the January 15 vax mandate for cross border truckers . Estimates say 50,000 trucks could be participating, the Toronto Sun reported.The convoy plans to reach Ottawa by Saturday for a protest.
    Trucker convoy: East-coast leg of protest against vaccine mandate leaves Maritimes - YouTube
    Now US truckers are joining the convoy .
    WATCH: US truckers joining Canadian Convoy - The Western Standard (westernstandardonline.com)
    Come on and join our convoy
    Ain't nothin' gonna get in our way
    C.W. McCall - Convoy - YouTube
  • Jan 28, 2022, 07:29 AM
    Athos
    Let us know how many of the anti-vax truckers wind up in the hospital or dead from the virus.
  • Jan 28, 2022, 09:40 AM
    tomder55
    You see the supply chain disruptions ? Like I once was ;those truckers are what they call "essential" . Tell me how your groceries get to the store without them . And don't pretend they are replaceable . As it is there is a huge shortage of truckers made worse because people don't want to carry Nazi ID cards wherever they go .
  • Jan 28, 2022, 09:42 AM
    Wondergirl
    Do you carry a Nazi ID card, tomder? I do. With pride and confidence.
  • Jan 28, 2022, 09:45 AM
    tomder55
    Here in the free land of South Carolina it is not necessary . When I travel back to NY in the spring ,I will have no choice . That's if the events I plan to attend aren't cancelled out of fear .
  • Jan 28, 2022, 10:10 AM
    Wondergirl
    But you are vaxed and ready to duel with Covid!
  • Jan 28, 2022, 10:52 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    But you are vaxed and ready to duel with Covid!
    Isn't that something of a contradiction? If you're vaxed, and if the vax works, then dueling with Covid won't be necessary, will it?

    I'm walking proof the vax is not effective at prevention.
  • Jan 28, 2022, 11:06 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I'm walking proof the vax is not effective at prevention.

    You are walking proof the vax prevents serious illness and death.
  • Jan 28, 2022, 11:27 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    the vax prevents serious illness
    Sometimes it does. I will say that I feel seriously ill, but I do get your point. I'm not in the hospital, so that is good to say.
  • Jan 28, 2022, 11:35 AM
    Wondergirl
    Serious illness = IVs, oxygen, transfusions, infusions, surgery
  • Jan 28, 2022, 12:12 PM
    jlisenbe
    Reminds me of the old joke about major vs. minor surgery. It's minor surgery when they do it to you, and major surgery when it's done to me. So it's minor illness when you have it, but serious illness when I have it.
  • Jan 29, 2022, 05:31 AM
    tomder55
    This is exposing the rhetoric the elites used 2 years ago when they hid in their offices or worked from South Hampton homes while the essential workers the truckers, store clerks, sanitation people, bus drivers, police, or dozens of other jobs that needed to be done ,kept the nation alive . Back then it was all praise to the little people .
    The average Canadian gets it .
    You can tell by the thousands up thousands of Canadians braving the snow and bitter cold of the Canadian winter to go out to the highways waving flags and cheering the truckers on.
    These truckers don't represent the "fringe " as Justin Trudeau dismissed them to be.

    “The small fringe minority of people who are on their way to Ottawa who are holding unacceptable views that they are expressing do not represent the views of Canadians who have been there for each other, who know that following the science and stepping up to protect each other is the best way to continue to ensure our freedoms, our rights, our values, as a country,”

    Back then he was thankful for the dedication to their work

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKNN9puW...jpg&name=small

    He will pay a heavy political price for his smug arrogance.
  • Jan 30, 2022, 07:36 AM
    jlisenbe
    Just amazing. A perfect example of the risks of oppressive government. "No! You free Canadians cannot park your car on the side of the highway and support truckers who are driving by! What do you think this is, a free country or something??" This was done under an "Emergency Management Act". So evidently it is now an emergency when free people protest the dictates of an over-reaching government. How long will Canadians put up with this?

    Quote:

    The Canadian province of Nova Scotia made it illegal for people to gather along a highway ahead of the "Freedom Convoy" of truckers that made their way across the country in protest of vaccine mandates.
    The local government issued "a directive under the Emergency Management Act prohibiting protesters from blockading Highway 104 near the Nova Scotia-New Brunswick border."
    The directive specifically states supporters of the Freedom Convoy and another protest, the Atlantic Hold the Line event, can’t gather along Highway 104, on the Nova Scotia-New Brunswick border. The directive states that "allowing people to gather in those areas would put themselves and others at risk."
  • Jan 30, 2022, 11:47 AM
    tomder55
    As thousands of truck protesters entered Ottawa, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau beat a hasty retreat
    Justin Trudeau moved to secret location during vax protests (nypost.com)

    reminds me a little ditty from Monty Python and the Holy Grail '

    Brave Sir Robin Ran Away - YouTube
  • Jan 30, 2022, 01:15 PM
    jlisenbe
    Moved to a secret location? Makes it sound like the truckers are bent on violence which they plainly are not.
  • Jan 31, 2022, 07:37 AM
    tomder55
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKb2mrIX...g&name=900x900
  • Jan 31, 2022, 11:14 AM
    tomder55
    Trudeau says that he would not attend the truckers rally because they are violent . But he gladly attended non-violent protests .... like BLM .(about the 1:10:00 mark .)
    He also accused them of being Nazis Evidently they did find one protester with a Nazi flag and one with a Confederate flag.


    PM Justin Trudeau addresses ongoing protest in Ottawa against vaccine mandates – January 31, 2022 - YouTube

    BREAKING: Trudeau accuses trucker convoy protesters of racism, vandalism | The Post Millennial
  • Feb 1, 2022, 05:41 AM
    jlisenbe
    Trudeau recently said he would not give in to those who fly racist flags, engage in vandalism, or dishonor the memory of Canadian veterans. What? Wouldn't that be the BLM crowd Trudeau admires so much? It is certainly NOT this group of truckers. He later said that those who oppose mandatory vacs are racists and misogynists as well. A news report showed a person with a sign claiming the truckers were white nationalists. Sad that we have reached the point where protestors have to be connected with a host of other, negative social pathologies so that they might be more forcefully denounced. Rather than engage the serious issue the protestors are speaking about, the strategy is instead to use the power of the media to disgrace them. Not too sure it's going to work in this case. I hope not.
  • Feb 1, 2022, 03:00 PM
    tomder55
    The Mayor of Ottawa called some tow companies and asked them to start towing trucks out of the city. The tow companies reply? "We've got covid
  • Feb 1, 2022, 05:15 PM
    tomder55
    The revolt of the Canadian provinces has begun .

    Saskatchewan dropping all COVID restrictions, vax passports by end of month | True North (tnc.news)
  • Feb 2, 2022, 05:25 AM
    jlisenbe
    What has become an all too common liberal response is playing out in Ottawa. 'What?? Don't agree with wonderful us?? You must be a real sick-o."
    Quote:

    Trudeau took to Twitter late Tuesday to reference to lawmakers in Canada’s Parliament who, he said, “unanimously condemned the antisemitism, Islamaphobia, anti-Black racism, homophobia, and transphobia that we’ve seen on display in Ottawa over the past number of days.”
  • Feb 2, 2022, 05:39 AM
    tomder55
    Strawmen he can link to so called "anti-vaxers" which is another strawman(because the opposition is to 'mandatory vax or lose your job'. )How many bogeymen can he paint the "tiny minority" protests with ? Isolate and demonize . Where have we seen that playbook before ?
  • Feb 4, 2022, 05:57 PM
    jlisenbe
    Heard tonight on Fox that about 3 million protestors are expected in Ottawa by Sunday.
  • Feb 5, 2022, 02:13 AM
    tomder55
    it is getting much bigger . Toronto farm trucks and tractors arrived .

    https://www.cp24.com/polopoly_fs/1.5..._620/image.jpg
  • Feb 5, 2022, 10:03 AM
    Wondergirl
    What will they eat? Are there lots of porta-potties scattered around?
  • Feb 5, 2022, 03:02 PM
    tomder55
    You shouldn't worry about what the truckers will eat You should worry about what you will eat when truckers stop delivering
  • Feb 5, 2022, 03:33 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    You shouldn't worry about what the truckers will eat You should worry about what you will eat when truckers stop delivering

    That's already a problem. Store shelves are too often empty or nearly so. Our wonderful and persnickity cat is NOT pleased at mealtime by the cheap food we are forced to buy because it is all that is left.
  • Feb 5, 2022, 04:53 PM
    tomder55
    And why is there a supply chain issue ? Because the world went loco with mandates .

    China’s Covid-19 port quarantine for shipping crew stokes delays ahead of Lunar New Year | South China Morning Post (scmp.com)

    Handling of COVID-19 positive crew cases in China - GARD

    China Locks Down City Containing One of World's Busiest Ports, Could Impact Supply Chain (newsweek.com)

    COVID-19: Vessel Entry into U.S. Ports in the Age of a Pandemic | HUB | K&L Gates (klgates.com)
    Then there are idiotic California rules where only "clean trucks " can enter the port areas .So clean trucks go to the port to pick up containers .. Then when they leave the port area they off load to other trucks to travel to the container's destination.

    Clean Truck Program | Air Quality | Port of Los Angeles

    and of course we have already the still unresolved issue of container piracy at the LA train terminal
  • Feb 5, 2022, 05:57 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    You should worry about what you will eat when truckers stop delivering
    I laughed out loud at that one.

    Quote:

    Then there are idiotic California rules where only "clean trucks " can enter the port areas .So clean trucks go to the port to pick up containers .. Then when they leave the port area they off load to other trucks to travel to the container's destination.
    It's what happens when the liberal dems go wild. Every time I think I've heard it all, something like this comes out. It's just unreal and so sad what is going on in our country.
  • Feb 5, 2022, 06:01 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It's what happens when the liberal dems go wild. Every time I think I've heard it all, something like this comes out. It's just unreal and so sad what is going on in our country.

    At least those "liberal dems" aren't wanting to ban books.
  • Feb 5, 2022, 06:18 PM
    jlisenbe
    You mean the porn books about men having sex with boys which liberal dems want middle schoolers reading? Those wonderful books? The ones with graphic illustrations about homosexual activity between men and boys? Really? You support that? Because those are the only books concerning which there has been any real repub suggestions about banning as well they should be.
  • Feb 5, 2022, 08:17 PM
    Wondergirl
    You are ill informed. Banned, not only for kids, but for adults. Those books and more. Books adults and kids, with parents supervising, need to read.
  • Feb 5, 2022, 08:43 PM
    jlisenbe
    Tell me about books banned for adults and about banned books which parents need to read with their kids. Please be specific.
  • Feb 5, 2022, 08:50 PM
    jlisenbe
    I’m speaking of books actually banned by repubs. Specific instances please.
  • Feb 5, 2022, 09:22 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I’m speaking of books actually banned by repubs. Specific instances please.

    Oh, they aren't banned yet, but a long list has been made. And a great deal of publicity and warnings are out about republican governors and state reps and other lawmakers hoping to ban books from school libraries. Here are a few:

    To kill a mockingbird - Harper Lee
    The complete Maus - Art Spiegelman
    The bluest eye - Toni Morrison
    Fallen angels - Walter Dean Myers
    Speak - Laurie Halse Anderson
    Gender queer - Maia Kobabe
  • Feb 6, 2022, 02:47 AM
    tomder55
    There is no bridge from California clean truck regulations to book banning . It is a bridge too far. But since the topic has drifted completely off the rail ,I would point out that 'To Kill a Mockingbird' was originally banned by Jim Crow Dems

    The most recently banning of the book was justified because it has a White author and it has a White savior . That happened in a Seattle school district .

    “Atticus Finch, of course is in everyone’s memory the great hero of the book, but in fact he was kind of tolerant of the racism around him. He described one of the members of the lynch mob as a good man.”
    Mukilteo School District removes ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ from required reading list | The Seattle Times

    If you are looking for recent trends in moves towards censorship and cancelling ,it is in literature and media depictions of the so called "white savior" . Some critically acclaimed movies like 'The Help; 'Mississippi Burning';'The Blind Side' depict white savior heroes .


    And it is not only in literature by the way . Missionaries , White volunteers who help minorities ,white teachers trying to save minority students ,whites who adopt minority children have all been labeled as 'white saviors '.

    There is some validity to this critique . Progressive policies like eugenics was instrumental in the shaping of American social and imperial foreign policy at the end of the 19th century . Teddy Roosevelt was a leading progressive of his day. Imperialism may be discredited today . But social progressive eugenics policies like pro-abortion live on.

    He was once lauded as an example of a progressive social reformer . Now they take down his statue because his progressive policies are being reconsidered as racist . But his progressive liberal social polices endure . The nanny state has it's roots in white savior attitudes .
  • Feb 6, 2022, 05:42 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Oh, they aren't banned yet, but a long list has been made.
    This is why I have learned to ask for specifics on this site. You said earlier, "Banned, not only for kids, but for adults. Those books and more. Books adults and kids, with parents supervising, need to read." Now it turns out that no books have been banned from adults. Oh well.

    You managed to slip Gender Queer into your list, a book which is plainly porn, includes graphic illustrations and descriptions of sex, and in no way is in the same literary category as To Kill a Mockingbird. I have said it has no business in school libraries. You seem to disagree with that which is puzzling in the extreme.

    This part of the issues in Cali was just amazing. "Then there are idiotic California rules where only "clean trucks " can enter the port areas .So clean trucks go to the port to pick up containers .. Then when they leave the port area they off load to other trucks to travel to the container's destination." It's just an incredible snapshot of the craziness of the whole system. Nothing gets accomplished other than driving up the costs of transportation. It's why I have come to love the Gospel so much. Among other things, it is an island of sanity and reason in this crazy world.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 11:15 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    This is why I have learned to ask for specifics on this site. You said earlier, "Banned, not only for kids, but for adults. Those books and more. Books adults and kids, with parents supervising, need to read." Now it turns out that no books have been banned from adults. Oh well.

    The word "libraries" is generally used when book banning is threatened. That term includes public libraries. Children AND adults use public libraries.
    Quote:

    You managed to slip Gender Queer into your list, a book which is plainly porn, includes graphic illustrations and descriptions of sex, and in no way is in the same literary category as To Kill a Mockingbird. I have said it has no business in school libraries. You seem to disagree with that which is puzzling in the extreme.
    How do you know it's porn? Have you read it? How will parents talk with their children about gender issues? Gender Queer would be a good beginning.

    To Kill a Mockingbird
    : Challenged at the Moss Point, Miss. School District (1996) because the novel contains a racial epithet. Banned from the Lindale,Tex. advanced placement English reading list (1996) because the book "conflicted with the values of the community." Challenged by a Glynn County, Ga. (2001) school board member because of profanity. The novel was retained. Returned to the freshman reading list at Muskogee, Okla. High School (2001) despite complaints over the years from black students and parents about racial slurs in the text. Challenged in the Normal, ILL Community High Schools sophomore literature class (2003) as being degrading to African Americans. Challenged at the Stanford Middle School in Durham, N.C. (2004) because the 1961 Pulitzer Prize-winning novel uses the word "nigger."
    Source: 2004 Banned Books Resource Guide

    P.S. Just searched my public library's online catalog for Maus. The book is checked out with seven holds on it. Book banning talk increases book reading!
  • Feb 6, 2022, 01:21 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    How do you know it's porn? Have you read it?
    I've read descriptions of it. Generally speaking, books with graphic descriptions and illustrations of sex are porn. Now perhaps you approve of sex between children? I don't know if you do or not, but this book is porn. I do know that your political views seem to never, ever, ever allow you to make a comment that could be construed in any way as something other than outright support of homosexual activities. That strikes me as unfortunate. And your idea that parents and children must read hard porn in order to discuss gender issues is crazy beyond belief. My wife and I spoke with our children about these issues. It never required reading hard porn.

    Your comments about libraries and books are fine. You still have no hard instances of books being banned. Conjecture does not count.
  • Feb 6, 2022, 02:32 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I've read descriptions of it. Generally speaking, books with graphic descriptions and illustrations of sex are porn. Now perhaps you approve of sex between children? I don't know if you do or not, but this book is porn. I do know that your political views seem to never, ever, ever allow you to make a comment that could be construed in any way as something other than outright support of homosexual activities. That strikes me as unfortunate. And your idea that parents and children must read hard porn in order to discuss gender issues is crazy beyond belief. My wife and I spoke with our children about these issues. It never required reading hard porn.

    Oh, now it's HARD porn. And the Bible has soft porn in it. What's wrong with homosexuality? How have you discussed gender issues with your kids and grandkids?
    Quote:

    Your comments about libraries and books are fine. You still have no hard instances of books being banned. Conjecture does not count.
    Books have been banned or threatened to be banned every time you blink your eyes.

    What does banning accomplish? As I posted earlier, "Book banning talk increases book reading!"

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