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  • Jan 21, 2022, 11:22 AM
    Wondergirl
    Why do people in authority (politicians, clergy, educators, et al.) lie?
    Are they trying to protect us? themselves? Are they trying to make us happy and contented? Are they trying to subtly force a change in attitude or behavior? Are they trying to gain time for something or avoid discovery?
  • Jan 21, 2022, 12:47 PM
    Athos
    All of the above.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 01:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    Perhaps more to the point, why did Clinton lie about Paula Jones and then lie to a grand jury about ML? Do those lies make his denials about Juanita Broderick less believable? Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things? Why did HC lie about flying into Kosovo "under fire"?
  • Jan 21, 2022, 03:00 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    why did Clinton lie about Paula Jones and then lie to a grand jury about ML?

    To protect himself, his reputation.
    Quote:

    Do those lies make his denials about Juanita Broderick less believable?
    Yes.
    Quote:

    Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things?
    Please list three lies by each.
    Quote:

    Why did HC lie about flying into Kosovo "under fire"?
    Hillary said during her campaign: "I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our helmets and bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her — so I greeted her, I took her stuff and then I left. Now that's my memory of it."

    Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 03:34 PM
    jlisenbe
    "I remember landing under sniper fire," she (HC) said in Washington on Monday. "There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base." It was all a bunch of nonsense and was completely discredited by the Post at the time. She flat out lied about it.

    I have already posted Biden's lies, but here they are again. President Joe Biden keeps telling lies. He just told a New Hampshire crowd of “having had a house burn down with my wife in it — she got out safely, God willing.” In fact, the Associated Press reports, it was a minor kitchen fire, with no damage visible from outside. He’s overblown the incident in the past, albeit not as much. Nor can he stop talking about a chat with an Amtrak conductor in his seventh year as vice president, when the guy retired 15 years before Biden became veep and had died by the year of the tale.

    Now either the pres is lying repeatedly or he is becoming senile.

    But here's another one to make three. This was Biden assuring everyone he would not have mandatory vaccines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6QNsNMFH5s
  • Jan 21, 2022, 03:45 PM
    jlisenbe
    Here's the Youtube video of a CBS report about HC REPEATEDLY peddling that wild tale. It was a complete fabrication. But isn't it interesting how eager you were to try and support her?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaxA9Q-9AQ

    She has NEVER landed ANYWHERE under sniper fire. Do you really believe any Air Force transport aircraft would have landed the First Lady with her daughter in that kind of situation? And no civvy in their right mind would take their daughter into a place under active sniper fire, nor would any foreign country want them to come in. Imagine being known as the country in which HC and her daughter were killed by snipers. It sure seemed to be just an effort to look brave and noble that fell flat on its face.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 04:29 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    But isn't it interesting how eager you were to try and support her?

    I can't stand her! I looked at several articles on sites I respect and dug up what I posted about her comments.

    Where is the list of three lies by Trump?
  • Jan 21, 2022, 05:34 PM
    jlisenbe
    You can look up Trump lies. Just be aware that the one claimed by Athos was hardly a lie. That has been documented earlier.

    You undersold the completely fallacious nature of HC's wild tale. I still wonder why. Perhaps you just didn't do sufficient homework.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 05:53 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You can look up Trump lies. Just be aware that the one claimed by Athos was hardly a lie. That has been documented earlier.

    No, this time YOU list three Trump lies. You're so good at picking out lies; this is your golden opportunity!
  • Jan 21, 2022, 05:56 PM
    jlisenbe
    You want me to do all the work. That settles it. You ARE a liberal dem.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 06:12 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You want me to do all the work. That settles it. You ARE a liberal dem.

    As we Germans say, you are full of applesauce.

    You posted: Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things?
    I posted: Please list three lies by each.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 06:24 PM
    jlisenbe
    All you can post are questions and fake news about Hillary? You have talked about your wonderful research skills. They didn’t work very well for your HC info. This is your shot at redemption now. I dare not take that from you.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 06:33 PM
    Wondergirl
    You posted: Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things?
    I posted: Please list three lies by each.

    Why is this so difficult for you?
  • Jan 21, 2022, 07:28 PM
    jlisenbe
    I wouldn't think of robbing you of your only chance at redemption. After all, the "registered repulican" who concluded, "Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later," should be eager for a chance to redeem herself. And particularly for failing to see that there was not a particle of "extreme danger" at the Kosovo airport. So the offer remains on the table for you. You REALLY need it.

    Besides, you're not worried about lying UNLESS it is done by Trump. Lying by one of your liberal dem heroes doesn't get your attention.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 07:33 PM
    Wondergirl
    Wow! You are really in a mood tonight.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 07:41 PM
    jlisenbe
    Is it untrue?
  • Jan 21, 2022, 08:04 PM
    Wondergirl
    Huh? I don't understand.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 08:13 PM
    jlisenbe
    Never mind.
  • Jan 21, 2022, 08:51 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    You posted: Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things?
    I posted: Please list three lies by each.

    Why is this so difficult for you?

    Members of the Trump Cult are notoriously afraid of the truth especially when it exposes Trump.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 04:19 AM
    tomder55
    yeah I get it .... Trump/Repubs bad
  • Jan 22, 2022, 05:43 AM
    tomder55
    Why do people in authority (politicians, clergy, educators, et al.) lie?

    POWER ..... the desire to have it ;the fear of losing it . They know they can get away with it because often their followers live in echo chambers and don't want to know an alternative . They believe that if they tell the lie enough times it becomes the truth .
  • Jan 22, 2022, 06:28 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    They know they can get away with it because often their followers live in echo chambers and don't want to know an alternative . They believe that if they tell the lie enough times it becomes the truth
    Which is exactly why committed liberal dems set their hair on fire about a supposed Trump lie, but then have no comment on established incidents of lying by HC, BC, and Biden other than trying to excuse them.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 08:52 AM
    jlisenbe
    I really struggle to understand that. If lying is bad, then it's bad for everyone. If a person is selective in their criticism, then it is plain that something other than a dislike of lying is driving the narrative.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 10:10 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Why do people in authority (politicians, clergy, educators, et al.) lie?

    POWER ..... the desire to have it ;the fear of losing it . They know they can get away with it because often their followers live in echo chambers and don't want to know an alternative . They believe that if they tell the lie enough times it becomes the truth .

    Perfectly said, Tom!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Which is exactly why committed liberal dems set their hair on fire about a supposed Trump lie, but then have no comment on established incidents of lying by HC, BC, and Biden other than trying to excuse them.

    It works that way for repubs too.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 10:21 AM
    jlisenbe
    Good morning, WG.

    "It works that way for repubs too." That is certainly true. I was more referring to people on this board. I don't see the point in posting about Trump's supposed lie, but then being curiously silent about lies from BC, HC, and Biden. Either we re opposed to lying, or we just want to be critical of DT.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 10:32 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Good morning, WG.

    "It works that way for repubs too." That is certainly true. I was more referring to people on this board. I don't see the point in posting about Trump's supposed lie, but then being curiously silent about lies from BC, HC, and Biden. Either we re opposed to lying, or we just want to be critical of DT.

    I'm still waiting for you to give me three examples of lies by Trump and Biden. You don't want to stay after school to work on this, do you?
  • Jan 22, 2022, 11:04 AM
    jlisenbe
    Wayyyy too late for that, I'm afraid. I've done all the work so far. I know you would not want to pass up this chance to up your quality of work from the distressingly poor conclusion you reached about HC.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 11:16 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Wayyyy too late for that, I'm afraid. I've done all the work so far.

    You did not complete the assignment. You told ME to find Trump's lies.

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...post-right.pngYou can look up Trump lies. Just be aware that the one claimed by Athos was hardly a lie. That has been documented earlier.

    No, this time YOU list three Trump lies. You're so good at picking out lies; this is your golden opportunity!
  • Jan 22, 2022, 11:50 AM
    jlisenbe
    But you don’t get to pass out assignments. Why do lib dems always want someone else to do their work? Nah. I’ve shown I can do the research. Now it’s your turn.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 11:58 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    yeah I get it .... Trump/Repubs bad

    Took you long enough.

    PS - Not just bad - far worse than that. Try attempting to overthrow the duly-elected president and continuing the Big Lie as devotees of Trump. It's inconceivable why you continue to support the madman Trump.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 11:58 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    But you don’t get to pass out assignments. Why do lib dems always want someone else to do their work? Nah. I’ve shown I can do the research. Now it’s your turn.

    It's because you'd have to list lies by Trump, isn't it. Aha! And I can pass out assignments because it's MY thread.

    YOU posted: Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things? Then you mentioned three lies by Biden, but didn't bother to mention any Trump's lies -- and told me to find them myself.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:01 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    No, this time YOU list three Trump lies. You're so good at picking out lies; this is your golden opportunity!

    He will NEVER list Trump lies, WG. Trump does not allow a negative truth told against him. His followers are keenly aware of that.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:07 PM
    jlisenbe
    I did the research on bc, hc, and jb which you don’t care to address. You have no room to sermonize.

    Besides, WG needs her chance at redemption.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:13 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I did the research on bc, hc, and jb which you don’t care to address. You have no room to sermonize.

    You did not complete the assignment.
    Quote:

    Besides, WG needs her chance at redemption.
    I have been redeemed and will spend eternity with my Lord and Savior.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:21 PM
    jlisenbe
    Not on the basis of your poor work on the hc Kosovo fairytale. Really bad look for a retired librarian. We expected much better.

    I mean REALLY! Aren't you terribly embarrassed by this swing and a miss? "Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later." There is no part of that which is even close to being right. Did you do better work than that as a librarian? I hope so.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:27 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Not on the basis of your poor work on the hc Kosovo fairytale. Really bad look for a retired librarian. We expected much better.

    Did you miss my comment?: "I can't stand her! I looked at several articles on sites I respect and dug up what I posted about her comments."
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    I did see that. You are basically saying you did research and yet missed the truth by a mile. Am I supposed to feel better now??? Like I said. It's a really bad look for a retired librarian. It's like a math teacher deciding that six times six equals twelve.

    In fact it bears repeating. "Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later." Unreal!!
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:36 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I did see that. You are basically saying you did research and yet missed the truth by a mile.

    Nope, I didn't miss the truth. Please read more carefully.

    I'm sure you've never exaggerated later.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:40 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Nope, I didn't miss the truth. Please read more carefully.
    And now you are doubling down on it. Hilarious!! "Six times six DOES equal twelve!!"

    Here. I'll break it down for you.

    Quote:

    Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going
    There was no danger at all at the airport as the CBS video clearly shows. And there was NO "corkscrew" landing.

    Quote:

    and the prep taken,
    The prep was to have a nice collection of people there who all looked happy and relaxed.

    Quote:

    it would have been natural to exaggerate later."
    Only if you think "exaggerate" means, "to lie like a dog".

    Do you see your errors now? NONE of it was valid.
  • Jan 22, 2022, 12:45 PM
    Wondergirl
    No errors by me. I had prefaced that with:

    Hillary said during her campaign:

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