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  • Oct 20, 2021, 01:17 PM
    tomder55
    Technically she's right
    When Jen (Baghdad Bob) Psaki was asked why Quid's team was transporting illegal minors from the border to locations in NY in "the middle of the night" ; she was quick to point out that the flights were not taking place in "the middle of the night " .
    here is the exchange :
    Peter Doocy "Why is the administration flying thousands of migrants from the border to Florida & New York in the middle of the night?"
    Psaki: "Well, I'm not sure that it's in the middle of the night,"......
    Doocy : "2:30 AM, 4:29 AM,"
    Psaki : ....."Here we are talking about early flights, earlier than you might like to take a flight."

    The NY POST recently reported that thousands of illigal minors have landed in various suburban airports in the NYC area ....2000 in Westchester alone . The minors ,typically carry backpacks . The paper tracked a bus some of them boarded . It drove down the Hutchinson River parkway at speeds in excess of 75mph. It crossed over the Throgs Neck into Long Island . It's final destination was a nonprofit facility sponsored by the Catholic Sisters of Mercy that provides housing and services for "children and adolescents who are the victims of societal problems,"

    The same scene is being played out across the nation. In the dead of night a plane lands in Jacksonville Fl. The kids got on a charter bus and were delivered to a juvenile detention center in the Apalachicola National Forest near Tallahassee .

    I'm betting none of them were dropped off in Martha's Vineyard or by Madam Mim's palatial home .

    Some of them are not even making it to charities where the facade of care happens . 2 buses from Westchester made it as far as the Thomas Edison rest stop and dropped off 100 of the kids They were randomly picked up in cars by unknown "good Samaritans "

    All the people living in the communities by these airports know this is taking place as it is not normal for planes to arrive at these small suburban airports so late at night . They have been complaining about the noise levels at night . But Democrat Westchester County Supervisor says 'aint no big thang '
  • Oct 20, 2021, 02:15 PM
    Wondergirl
    Time for churches to sponsor displaced families and individuals as we did during the Vietnam conflict.
  • Oct 20, 2021, 02:20 PM
    tomder55
    Vietnam we had refugees to deal with ;not illegals hordes crossing the border for the freebees .
  • Oct 20, 2021, 02:24 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Vietnam we had refugees to deal with ;not illegals hordes crossing the border for the freebees .

    Visit Haiti and Venezuela and parts of Central America, then let us know more about the situations people are running from.
  • Oct 20, 2021, 02:50 PM
    tomder55
    economic hardship is not recognized as refugee . Trump was right .Keep them in Mexico and apply for status .Illegally crossing the border is not the way to apply.
  • Oct 20, 2021, 03:02 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    economic hardship is not recognized as refugee . Trump was right .Keep them in Mexico and apply for status .Illegally crossing the border is not the way to apply.

    Then put more border agents at the southern border to process the true refugees and get them figured out. Work with Mexico to improve living conditions at or near the border. Set up a bus service to transport illegals south.
  • Oct 20, 2021, 03:42 PM
    jlisenbe
    Build a wall.
  • Oct 20, 2021, 04:04 PM
    tomder55
    no comments on the sneaky deception of moving them from the border in the dead of night ? of course not .
  • Oct 20, 2021, 04:08 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    no comments on the sneaky deception of moving them from the border in the dead of night ? of course not .

    Time of day or night doesn't matter. Where are they being moved to, with what result?
  • Oct 20, 2021, 05:55 PM
    jlisenbe
    I would agree that time of day make but little difference when transporting illegal minors. You would hope that someone would have commented on that part of it.
  • Oct 20, 2021, 06:17 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    illegal minors

    Tell us more about them. How did they get to the southern border? Where are their parents? Why did they come? Where do they hope to go?
  • Oct 20, 2021, 06:55 PM
    jlisenbe
    The primary thing is that this is being done by a liberal dem rather than Trump, so you're OK with it.
  • Oct 20, 2021, 07:23 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The primary thing is that this is being done by a liberal dem rather than Trump, so you're OK with it.

    They were pouring across the southern border in Trump's early days. Thus his "build a wall".

    Throughout his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump called for the construction of a border wall. He said that, if elected, he would "build the wall and make Mexico pay for it". (Trump Wall, Wikipedia)
  • Oct 20, 2021, 07:30 PM
    tomder55
    I like changing where they are being dropped off . Instead of suburban Westchester or Syosset they should be dropped off at Martha's Vineyard ;the Hamptons ,or the homes of the Democrat tech billionaires in Silicon Valley . They support the policies let them deal with it .
  • Oct 20, 2021, 07:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    He never flew illegal minors around in the middle of the night. He was able to build a part of the wall. Biden has built nothing and thrown open the floodgates of illegal immigration. You think that's better?
  • Oct 20, 2021, 07:59 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    He never flew illegal minors around in the middle of the night. He was able to build a part of the wall. Biden has built nothing and thrown open the floodgates of illegal immigration. You think that's better?

    How many miles is the southern border? How many miles long was the wall? How effective was it?

    What would you tell the refugees escaping from horrendous Haiti and wars in various countries and also immigrants hoping for a better life?

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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I like changing where they are being dropped off . Instead of suburban Westchester or Syosset they should be dropped off at Martha's Vineyard ;the Hamptons ,or the homes of the Democrat tech billionaires in Silicon Valley . They support the policies let them deal with it .

    Are there Lutheran Social Services and Catholic Charities offices there? They'll organize housing, meals medical care, etc.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 02:34 AM
    tomder55
    Once the issue of illegal entry is addressed I will discuss where to house and provide social services . The radical progressive Dems don't fool me . I have read the Cloward -Piven strategy too . You speak of private charitable solutions but the goal of the Dems is government solutions to manufactured crisis . In allowing defacto open borders they aim to crash the existing safety net so they can introduce more radical "reform" based on more central government control .
  • Oct 21, 2021, 04:24 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    they should be dropped off at Martha's Vineyard ;the Hamptons ,or the homes of the Democrat tech billionaires in Silicon Valley .
    That would be a great idea.

    You can be certain that the liberal posters on this site have not taken any illegal immigrants into their own homes. It's always the same message. Let the government and charitable organizations take care of them. Raise taxes on the rich and print more money. The government should make life better in Mexico, Haiti, and a couple dozen other countries. Just keep them out of our neighborhoods and don't ask me to give any money.

    According to the Border Patrol, 398 miles of new primary and ~55 miles of new secondary border wall system have been constructed since January 2017. That was as of January of this year. That would be about 450 miles more than the Biden admin has constructed. If Trump had been reelected, there is no doubt that we would not be having the crisis we are presently having.


    https://www.khou.com/article/news/ve...b-6141b980d61b
  • Oct 21, 2021, 05:00 AM
    tomder55
    Of course if we still controlled the Canal Zone (thank you Jimmy Carter ) then we could stop migration there of anyone who attempted to cross the Darien Gap. Or we could pressure/give incentives to Mexico and Guatemala to control their borders . We could also as mentioned in other postings bring the supply chain to this hemisphere giving preference to nations that prevent migration through their borders ;and of course preference to Haiti ..... and other island nations in the region not named Cuba .
  • Oct 21, 2021, 05:28 AM
    tomder55
    re use of "private charities " . This is being employed by Quid as an outsourcing mechanism. The non-profits I mentioned that have taken in some of these illegal minors have government contracts to do so.

    More than 132,000 illegals have been taken into federal custody ; a 64 % increase from Trump's first year and a nearly 300 % increase from last year. Clearly Trump was doing something about the illegal immigrant flow that Quid reversed . Many more illegals are being released outright with nothing more that a Notice to Report(NTR) to local customs within 60 days . These notices largely get ignored . 95,000 illegals have been released with NTRs since March

    Of the 15,000 Haitians that were encamped under the bridge ,a couple thousand were returned to Haiti . That made the news . About half crossed back into Mexico . The balance were given "parole " and were released into the country . Small towns on the Mexican border are being swamped .
    This permissive attitude sends a clear signal that America has no border and an open door policy . Make the trip and once you cross the finish line ,the world of American freebees is your meal ticket .
  • Oct 21, 2021, 05:29 AM
    jlisenbe
    But that would require a MAGA mentality. I was no great fan of Trump, but I did appreciate his willingness to recognize the necessity of keeping America economically healthy and secure. Without those elements, we will soon be NEEDING help as opposed to being able to provide help.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 08:44 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You can be certain that the liberal posters on this site have not taken any illegal immigrants into their own homes.

    If I were younger, I would organize a local group to do that and find secure housing plus get them legal help, learn English, understand American culture, tutor their children -- just like we did with Vietnamese families.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 09:05 AM
    jlisenbe
    You mean the legal Vietnamese immigrants as opposed to illegal minors being flown around at night by the Biden admin in order to avoid a public embarrassment?
  • Oct 21, 2021, 09:12 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You mean the legal Vietnamese immigrants as opposed to illegal minors being flown around at night by the Biden admin in order to avoid a public embarrassment?

    Yes, I'd LOVE to take in (and get my fellow church members to also take in/sponsor) illegal minors who are miserable without their parents and suddenly adrift in a strange country.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 09:16 AM
    jlisenbe
    And that's all fine and good. The question, however, is why our government is aiding the abetting the breaking of our immigration laws. What puts the Biden admin above the law?
  • Oct 21, 2021, 09:50 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And that's all fine and good. The question, however, is why our government is aiding the abetting the breaking of our immigration laws. What puts the Biden admin above the law?

    The immigration laws say what?

    If you were president, what would you do about all the illegal immigrants, especially the unaccompanied ones under 16?
  • Oct 21, 2021, 10:43 AM
    jlisenbe
    The immigration laws spell out the pathway a person must take to immigrate legally. Just walking across the border is illegal.

    Build a wall.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 11:21 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The immigration laws spell out the pathway a person must take to immigrate legally. Just walking across the border is illegal.

    Build a wall.

    A wall won't stop them. It's been shown that any wall can be scaled, tunneled under, or gotten around.

    Better would be to establish a lot more checkpoints manned (and womanned) by well-trained border agents.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 11:41 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    A wall won't stop them. It's been shown that any wall can be scaled, tunneled under, or gotten around.
    It's a silly argument. It's like saying that any locked door can be picked and opened, so there is no point in locking your doors. You don't build walls or lock doors to eliminate problems. You do those things to make the job much more difficult for the burglar or illegal alien and thus greatly reduce the number of problems. I would happily accept a world in which the number of illegal aliens has been reduced by 90%.

    Go to the WH and tell Biden that he should get rid of the substantial fence (wall) that surrounds the WH since, after all, it can be "scaled, tunneled under, or gotten around." See if he looks at you like you are a crazy person.

    What do you think those well trained agents are to do? You had a fit when the men on horseback tried to turn back illegal aliens. What would you do when faced with a couple of hundred of them who say, "Forget you. We're going on through, so either shoot us or get your XXX out of the way?" What would you do? You are living in a fantasy world, wildly detached from reality.

    I bet you lock your doors every night.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 12:21 PM
    jlisenbe
    In the meantime, the city of Philadelphia, a "sanctuary city", should be hanging their heads in shame. A woman is raped for over thirty minutes on a subway car. People stood by and watched and, even worse, filmed the "event" with their cell phones. They went through 26 stops before the police were somehow notified and made an arrest of the guy who was still engaged in his ruthless assault. This guy is an illegal immigrant that has a track record of a number of criminal acts. Any man in that car who stood by and did nothing should be completely ashamed of himself. What a pathetic tragedy.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 12:40 PM
    tomder55
    Walls Work. When it comes to stopping drugs and illegal aliens from crossing our borders, border walls have proven to be extremely effective. They work better combined with technology, personnel and partnerships with law enforcement . But the stats where the new walls were constructed proved their effectiveness. (90% reduction in the Yuma section after the wall was built. )
    Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it. (usatoday.com)

    Quote:

    In the meantime, the city of Philadelphia, a "sanctuary city", should be hanging their heads in shame. A woman is raped for over thirty minutes on a subway car. People stood by and watched and, even worse, filmed the "event" with their cell phones. They went through 26 stops before the police were somehow notified and made an arrest of the guy who was still engaged in his ruthless assault. This guy is an illegal immigrant that has a track record of a number of criminal acts. Any man in that car who stood by and did nothing should be completely ashamed of himself. What a pathetic tragedy.
    [/QUOTE]

    We are raising a generation of eunuchs who can't decide what gender they are . Real men would never sit still and do nothing while that is going on .
  • Oct 21, 2021, 01:02 PM
    Wondergirl
    And what's wrong with an "illegal alien" (immigrant) that can't be fixed?

    Why do they want to cross the border?

    "Mexico's southern border is shared with Guatemala. From that border, it is 1,125 miles by foot to McAllen, Texas. At three miles an hour, that's 375 hours, or about 38 days if they walk 10 hours a day," probably carrying at least one bag and many carrying a baby or child.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...rder-to-the-us
  • Oct 21, 2021, 01:50 PM
    jlisenbe
    "Illegal alien" and "immigrant" are not synonymous. It's like saying a person who withdraws money from his account in a bank is synonymous with a bank robber. The point is that they are crossing the border ILLEGALLY. It is stupid for our country to ignore laws on our southern border. I'm all for immigration, but only the legal variety.

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    We are raising a generation of eunuchs who can't decide what gender they are . Real men would never sit still and do nothing while that is going on
    Well said.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 02:14 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    We are raising a generation of eunuchs who can't decide what gender they are . Real men would never sit still and do nothing while that is going on .

    Those "eunuchs" were around even in ancient times. Indigenous peoples have always accepted them. It's not a choice. No LGBTQ+ person wakes up one morning and says to him/herself, “I think I’ll become a queer, because it’s cool to be one.” LGBTQ+ people were born that way and thus have no control over how they feel. It’s in their genetic code.

    Find a way to make pregnancies perfect with no hormone or chromosome imbalance. That will solve the problem so you can rub elbows with "REAL men and women".
  • Oct 21, 2021, 02:19 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It is stupid for our country to ignore laws on our southern border. I'm all for immigration, but only the legal variety.

    No, it's stupid to not prepare for the influx of immigrants, legal or not, plus refugees. Set up more border stations and have a better plan to integrate those who've been approved.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 03:41 PM
    jlisenbe
    So we need to "prepare" for illegal activity? Got it! Kind of strange, though, since most people would think that illegal activity should be stopped. I guess if your house is ever broken into, you will be expected to be prepared to serve a nice dinner to the criminals.

    Quote:

    Those "eunuchs" were around even in ancient times. Indigenous peoples have always accepted them. It's not a choice. No LGBTQ+ person wakes up one morning and says to him/herself, “I think I’ll become a queer, because it’s cool to be one.” LGBTQ+ people were born that way and thus have no control over how they feel. It’s in their genetic code.
    Just a boatload of sheer conjecture and false information, especially the part about homosexuals being "born that way". There is no evidence to support that. There is a great deal of evidence of preteens and teens who consider themselves to be homosexual or TG, but then lose those attractions and thoughts as they grow older.

    https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/te7288

    You should also look at identical twin studies that clearly show homosexuality being far from genetics dependent.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 03:48 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So we need to "prepare" for illegal activity? Got it!

    Wasn't that the point of the wall that nobody will ever get finished? By the way, what makes them illegal?
    Quote:

    Just a boatload of sheer conjecture and false information, especially the part about homosexuals being "born that way". There is no evidence to support that. There is a great deal of evidence of preteens and teens who consider themselves to be homosexual or TG, but then lose those attractions and thoughts as they grow older.

    https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/te7288

    You should also look at identical twin studies that clearly show homosexuality being far from genetics dependent.
    Sorry. You are incorrect, big time! Read up on what goes on before birth with hormones and chromosomes. Read the ENTIRE article:

    https://thevoice.us/chromosomes-dete...btq-community/

    I will post more technical/scientific ones, if you prefer.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 06:30 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    By the way, what makes them illegal?
    The law.

    As to the article.

    "These chromosomes therefore secrete hormones which affect one’s mental outlook, i.e. masculinity or femininity." Wildly and ridiculously wrong. Chromosomes do not secrete hormones. Hormones are produced by glands such as the hypothalamus, the pituitary, the thyroid, and so forth.

    "Sometimes, however, the chromosomes are affected adversely, a chemical imbalance in the body, exposure to harmful radiation, or ingestion of a toxic substance, creating a mutation and upsetting the natural order of genetics. In the case of the sex chromosomes, the X may gain a few extra molecules of material, causing it to become a Y; similarly, a Y may lose a few molecules of material, causing it to become an X. Consequently, hormones which never should have been are secreted, and the child behaves accordingly despite his/her physical appearance."

    That is just stupidly, outrageously ridiculous. Even if it was true, and it is not, if the Y becomes an X, then you would have two X chromosomes and hence a female. There is nothing there that would produce a homosexual. It's ludicrous.

    But as I said, even if it was true, how do you explain the fact that identical twin studies show that when one twin is a homosexual, the chance of the other being a homosexual is only about 40%? Why is it not 100%?

    Quote:

    I will post more technical/scientific ones, if you prefer.
    I would be happy if that one had been scientific. It was nothing more than grandma's homespun supposed wisdom. Just for future reference, any article interspersed with "dear reader" is far removed from being anything even remotely scientific.

    I'm just amazed that you would have been desperate enough to have linked that article. Show it to any biology teacher and see if he/she agrees that chromosomes secrete hormones.

    Quote:

    What Is the Endocrine System?

    The endocrine system is made up of glands that make hormones. Hormones are the body's chemical messengers. They carry information and instructions from one set of cells to another.
    https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/endocrine.html
  • Oct 21, 2021, 06:38 PM
    Wondergirl
    Those quotes weren't in the link I posted. Tomorrow I'll post more :-) after I consult with several LGBTQ+ friends.
  • Oct 21, 2021, 06:41 PM
    jlisenbe
    Yeah. I'm sure that is true. Real sure.

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