The former GOP Republican Party is now composed of fundamentalists, Bible belt folk, Trump cultists, and far right-wing politics - all are interchangeable. Add racist, rural, and white evangelicals.

The Trump years have brought them all out from under their various rocks and after the last several years they have come together as one, culminating in the Jan 6 insurrection. The remaining decent ones in these groups have a huge task ahead of them - bringing sanity to their fellows.

Now the wackos are regrouping for another go at the Capitol as they wave their confederate flags while their Hitlerian madman wannabee-Fuehrer stews in his bunker hoping for more bloodshed as he waits to be reinstalled in the position America so rightly booted him from.

In the meantime, the reconstituted Republicans have already demanded an investigation into the “twisted results” of the California election since governor Gavin Newsome won the recall vote. From Larry Elder's webpage, it says that reliable statistical analysis has revealed fraud in the California recall since Elder was not the winner. THIS IS TWO DAYS BEFORE THE RECALL VOTING EVEN BEGINS!

The page also recommends “shooting” as a final remedy to correct the fraud.

Indications of fraud were evident in the early voting and in the very system that the Dem dictatorship concocted in Kalifornia .

The state still allows ballot harvesting ; a practice where mail in ballots are collected by unaccountable activists who are sent out on the streets by the campaigns and presumably deliver the ballots to the proper voting district. No possible fraud there !

Harvesting is illegal in 23 states because of the obvious issues associated with the practice. But in the land of milk and honey sunshine state ,the sitting governor was able to recruit the California Labor Federation to assemble 20,000 staffers and 'volunteers' to target 10.3 mil­lion vot­ers in their harvesting effort. What this (I'll be generous ) army of "volunteers " (no doubt paid for their sense of civic duty ) did was to go house to house to collect the voter's ballots ,and to in­ter­act with vot­ers There are zero safe­guards to en­sure voters aren’t be­ing misled, co­erced, in­tim­i­dat­ed or paid for a vote, or that the vot­er’s bal­lot is ac­tu­al­ly de­livered.

What could go wrong ? In one instance a felon was arrested with drugs ,a loaded pistol ,and 300 unopened mail in ballots in his car .

Passed out man found with 300 California recall ballots (apnews.com)

Newsom had the whole A team of the Dems come to the state to campaign for him. That shows how nervous they were at a potential recall loss . The Repubs field included Larry Elder ,a talk show host with no elected experience. It should've been a slam dunk in a state where the Dems control everything ;including having a super majority in the legislature. Newsom won the state by 62% in 2018 ;a state where a Repub has not won a statewide election in 15 years . Yet almost every heavy weight in the party was called on to campaign on his behalf. The Dem propaganda rag ;the LA Slimes went all racist calling Elder 'the black face of white supremacy" .His race became a big issue to the Dems . In one instance a Newsom supporter dressed up in a black ape outfit and threw an egg at Elder .

If such a Dem effort is required in a presumably slam dunk state then what will happen in Virginia when the governor ,lieutenant governor, attorney general, house of delegates, some local offices are on the ballot Nov.2 ? Early voting begins Friday (a month of early voting is a another outrage . In this era where transactions happen instantaneously a month is a lifetime ) .

Canada with a population similar to Kalifornia will have an election .The arrogant lefty progressive Justin Trudeau called an early election because he thought he was doing such a great job . But he is in a surprisingly tight race .

The difference ? The Canadian voter has to show ID to vote and prove they are eligible . There is no vote harvesting .Canadians have to request a mail in ballot .Ballots are not automatically delivered to everyone in the register rolls . Those voting by mail must include a proof of identity and address in their application .
Which system do you trust more to ensure a fair election ?

As for the protest , it could be greatly defused if those who were detained for the Jan 6 2001 protest were charged and tried instead of indefinitely being detained in violation of their due process rights .

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Harvesting is illegal in 23 states because of the obvious issues associated with the practice. But in the land of milk and honey sunshine state ,the sitting governor was able to recruit the California Labor Federation to assemble 20,000 staffers and 'volunteers' to target 10.3 mil­lion vot­ers in their harvesting effort. What this (I'll be generous ) army of "volunteers " (no doubt paid for their sense of civic duty ) did was to go house to house to collect the voter's ballots ,and to in­ter­act with vot­ers There are zero safe­guards to en­sure voters aren’t be­ing misled, co­erced, in­tim­i­dat­ed or paid for a vote, or that the vot­er’s bal­lot is ac­tu­al­ly de­livered.

What could go wrong ? In one instance a felon was arrested with drugs ,a loaded pistol ,and 300 unopened mail in ballots in his car .

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I don't care how far left a person is, he/she would have to be intentionally blind not to recognize the obvious perils in those practices. It is plain that the many protests about voter ID have nothing to do with the supposed issue of depriving people of their rights, and has everything to do with running up the illegal vote totals of the democrat party.

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...depriving people of their [voting] rights and has everything to do with running up the illegal vote totals of the democrat party.

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Have the Republicans done anything to deprive voters of the right to vote?

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Have the Republicans done anything to deprive voters of the right to vote?

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Possibly. Cutting down on the number of polling places could be interpreted that way.

Have the dems done anything to lessen the integrity of the voting process?

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Possibly. Cutting down on the number of polling places could be interpreted that way.

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Anything else?

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Have the dems done anything to lessen the integrity of the voting process?

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I'm not a dem and have no idea, am reading posts on this thread and gathering information.

1. Not that I am aware of.

2. Did you read Tom's post on this thread? If you did, then how can you have "no idea"?

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2. Did you read Tom's post on this thread? If you did, then how can you have "no idea"?

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I'm not a dem and have no idea, am reading posts on this thread and gathering information.

Roger that.

Did you read this? https://apnews.com/article/business-...9e2296d46df99a

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Did you read this? https://apnews.com/article/business-...9e2296d46df99a

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There were over 1,000 pieces of mail, including the ballots. Your article from August 24, says, "California authorities are investigating". Updates? Mental illness? From
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ots/ar-AANJKGf
"The city's registrar's office said the ballots had been sent out for next month's recall election but hadn't been filled out or returned by voters, KABC reported."

Yeah. No potential for fraud there. A potentially mental ill man with three hundred ballots in his possession.

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Yeah. No potential for fraud there. A potentially mental ill man with three hundred ballots in his possession.

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They were blank. Hadn't been received yet by the voters.

You mean the ones they found and know about? How about the ones that were not found?

Did you read this comment by Tom? " But in the land of milk and honey sunshine state ,the sitting governor was able to recruit the California Labor Federation to assemble 20,000 staffers and 'volunteers' to target 10.3 mil­lion vot­ers in their harvesting effort."

Ten million ballots targeted. Incredible. It should be completely illegal. The potential for voter fraud and voter interference is incredible.

Yes But they would've been filled out by yesterday . That is how ballot harvesting works .

When Repubs do it as happened in NC 9th in 2018 ,the state election board overturned the election. The difference ? North Carolina allows “a voter’s near relative or the voter’s verifiable legal guardian” to return an absentee ballot. California had a similar law that allowed a relative or household member to return an absentee ballot. The law was amended in 2016, effective in the 2018 election, and now allows a voter to “designate any person to return the ballot.” Allowing individuals other than the voter or his immediate family to handle absentee ballots is a recipe for mischief and wrongdoing. Of that there can be no debate . Who's to say there is no coercion; intimidation, threats or cash for votes ? Who guarantees the ballots get delivered ? Who guarantees that blank ballots are not filled out by 3rd parties ?
2017 the former convicted mayor of Eatonville, Florida coerced absentee voters to cast ballots for him .... ballots that won him the election. I assure you that in Illinois there are at least 2 convictions every year of fraudulent use of absentee ballots ....and that is only those who are caught and convicted .

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You mean the ones they found and know about? How about the ones that were not found?

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Who's evasive now? The article you posted is misleading.

First of all, I did not post the article. It was posted by Tom in the second post of the day. So you clearly did not read his post despite the fact that you claimed to be on this thread to read and learn. I simply reposted it.

There is no evasion there. 300 ballots were found and safely, as far as we know, dealt with. But the fact that, "a felon who had drugs, a loaded firearm, thousands of pieces of mail, a scale and multiple California driver licenses and credit cards in other people’s name," somehow ended up in possession of 300 ballots should concern everyone, and that even includes a closet liberal dem like you. Just imagine what sane, non drug addicted, serious people could be capable of doing.

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First of all, I did not post the article. It was posted by Tom in the second post of the day. So you clearly did not read his post despite the fact that you claimed to be on this thread to read and learn. I simply reposted it.

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Why would you repost a misleading article?

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There is no evasion there. 300 ballots were found and safely, as far as we know, dealt with.

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Unmarked ballots or marked ones?

And what about the other 700+ pieces of mail? No concern there? Grandma didn't get her birthday card, and the car payment didn't make it to the bank?

How was it misleading? How do you know they were "hoping" that? Are you a mind reader now?

Even worse for you, IN THE FIRST SENTENCE IT SAID, "300 unopened mail-in ballots". It also stated, "Sgt. Mark Ponegalek told KABC-TV that the ballots were unopened and had not been tampered with." So I'm afraid you have completely failed as a mind reader. Have could readers have assumed that unopened ballots that had not been tampered with, "had been completed and were on their way back to the election board?"

Not a careful reader, are you?

"The city's registrar's office said the ballots had been sent out for next month's recall election but hadn't been filled out or returned by voters, KABC reported."

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[Canadian] ballots are not automatically delivered to everyone in the register rolls . Those voting by mail must include a proof of identity and address in their application .
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That's what Illinois does. I call the county election commission to request a ballot be mailed to me. I'm asked a half-dozen questions to identify myself as a legit voter. I'm told ballots aren't mailed out. Instead I will be mailed an application that asks me to confirm who I am (e.g., birthdate, last four digits of my SS#, et al.), plus my signature on the completed ballot. I mail it back to the county and call several days later to confirm it has been received. Easy peasy!

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Yep. Kind of like saying they had not been opened.

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Yep. Kind of like saying they had not been opened.

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So what good are they?

That’s not the point and you know it.

no ID ,no signature verification . Easy to fill out and submit .300 votes to your preferred candidates

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The mailed-in ballot must contain the voter's signature that, once the ballot is received by the county election board, is compared with that voter's signature on file.

That’s true for Cali? Sure?

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That’s true for Cali? Sure?

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https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/vot...l#vote-by-mail

Who does the checking? Dems?

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Who does the checking? Dems?

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I'll call them tomorrow.

Then tomorrow it is. Sleep well.

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Indications of fraud are not actual fraud. Collecting ballots for the elderly, the disabled and others who are unable to otherwise cast a ballot has rarely been shown to be a fraud. In the cases where fraud has been observed, Project Veritas, a far-right organization run by James O'Keefe, is known to be a fraud. Other known instances are also from Republicans.

The former GOP Republican Party is now composed of fundamentalists, Bible belt folk, Trump cultists, and far right-wing politics - all are interchangeable. Add racist, rural, and white evangelicals.

The Trump years have brought them all out from under their various rocks and after the last several years they have come together as one, culminating in the Jan 6 insurrection. The remaining decent ones in these groups have a huge task ahead of them - bringing sanity to their fellows.

Now the wackos are regrouping for another go at the Capitol as they wave their confederate flags while their Hitlerian madman wannabee-Fuehrer stews in his bunker hoping for more bloodshed as he waits to be reinstalled in the position America so rightly booted him from.

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Indications of fraud are not actual fraud.

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and in a state so dominated by Dems there is zero chance of any serious examination of possible fraud.

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Collecting ballots for the elderly, the disabled and others who are unable to otherwise cast a ballot has rarely been shown to be a fraud

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Sending out teams of partisans to collect them is ripe with the potential for fraud . You know it and I know it . If Republican partisans were going door to door here in SC collecting ballots ,you know Jim Clyburn would be raising holy hell .

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In any state dominated by a Republican state legislature, there is every possibility of claiming fraud where none exists. This is what is happening in swing states now in order to disenfranchise Democratic voters and replace duly-elected Democrats with Republicans.

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Sending out teams of partisans to collect them is ripe with the potential for fraud . You know it and I know it

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I know nothing of the sort. To repeat, potential fraud is not actual fraud.

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If Republican partisans were going door to door here in SC collecting ballots ,you know Jim Clyburn would be raising holy hell .

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Only if fraud were proven.

I might add here that the issue of fraud is entirely from your team claiming without a shred of evidence that the 2020 election was rigged and promulgated by your insane leader Donald Trump.

The CyberNinja screwball in Arizona is curiously silent lately. What? He couldn't find any fraud after all his ballyhoo? Then there are the other nutcases like Giulilani and Powell who were thrown out of 60+ courts. And Attorney General Barr who kissed Trump's butt until it was too much even for him.

Fraud is not your side's strong suit, tomder.

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Now the wackos are regrouping for another go at the Capitol as they wave their confederate flags while their Hitlerian madman wannabee-Fuehrer stews in his bunker hoping for more bloodshed as he waits to be reinstalled in the position America so rightly booted him from.

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Someone's been drinking a little tooooo much coffee.

We all need a laugh from time to time.

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...b2&oe=616876CA

if any of these audits and examinations of election results end with tighter ballot security and the implementation of voter ID it will be well worth it Until such time that the integrity of the franchise is guaranteed there will always be mistrust in the outcomes. I don't care which side you are on . If you endorse banana republic methods you are going to get banana republic outcomes .In Kalifornia voters were being told that they could not vote because they had already voted . Nah no fraud there ! The state mailed out 22 million ballots ahead of time based on registration Voter registration is based on drivers licenses - motor-voter law .The state gives illegals drivers licenses. The state doesn't require voter ID.. You can talk of no proof of fraud and I'll say the whole thing is fraud

Meanwhile American blacks can take comfort in the fact they they can be smeared as white supremacists .Elder saw the insanity associated with the management of the state and blamed Newsom and not the people.. That was his mistake .

The majority like walking over homeless people and sidestepping the human feces . The majority like their schools closed while the elites send their kids to private schools .The majority like that most school systems in the state fail the needs of their students . The majority like living in perpetual drought while the state flushed water into the Pacific to save a bait fish . The majority like living in a cauldron because of poor land management .The majority like paying $5 gas /blackouts because the state thinks it can power a 21st century infrastructure with windmills and solar farms .

They don't suffer from pandemic as much as they suffer from plandemic . Yeah the brilliance of the Dem supermajority central planners is on full display in the state .They have managed to turn the Garden of Eden and the breadbasket of the solar system into a fiery desert and slum .

There is a population flight out of the state by most sensible people . Either they have already left or are in the process of leaving . Those left will be the elitists who can afford to stay ,or the destitute who have no option but to live on the 'crumbs for the pigeons' that the compassionate progressive nannystate deems then worthy of having . The elites live in fortified gated communities (they outsource their 2nd amendment rights ).They are surrounded by no go zone slums that the police are prohibited from patrolling . Every day gangs of marauders converge on retail businesses and shop lift the state allowed $999 worth of goods . The elites don't have to worry . They never set foot in Walmart .

The smart move for anyone in Kalifornia is to get out . The state is lost .

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The majority like walking over homeless people and sidestepping the human feces . The majority like their schools closed while the elites send their kids to private schools .The majority like that most school systems in the state fail the needs of their students . The majority like living in perpetual drought while the state flushed water into the Pacific to save a bait fish . The majority like living in a cauldron because of poor land management .The majority like paying $5 gas /blackouts because the state thinks it can power a 21st century infrastructure with windmills and solar farms .

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Absolutely correct. It is a combination of lower income folks who are happy that the state says it will take care of them and the elites/near elites who want to appear to be noble because they are in favor of windmills, solar farms, tolerating the tent farms of the homeless (with which they never interact), and a welfare state. So they are, sad to say, getting what they deserve. It will get worse in the future.

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So yesterday the police and the media vastly outnumbered all the "wackos " who threatened to overthrow the nation . There was an arrest . One of the "insurrectionists " had a firearm ,and had priors There was also an arrest of a counter protester .

The organizer of this massive 400 person protest was so pro Trump that he urged attendees to not wear pro Trump paraphernalia.

For the record the 400 gathered to support a fair judicial process for the over 600 charged after the January 6 riot. many of whom have been detained for many weeks without being charged or even knowing the charges against them.