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  • Sep 9, 2021, 05:11 AM
    jlisenbe
    AOC strikes again
    She's the gift that just keeps on giving.

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    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., was roundly mocked on Twitter for using the term "menstruating person" instead of women in a recent interview.
    On Tuesday, Ocasio-Cortez appeared on CNN’s "Anderson Cooper 360" to discuss Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s statements on the Texas Heartbeat Act, which prohibits abortions after six weeks. She claimed that the law was actually not "about supporting life" and instead was about controlling "women’s bodies" as well as "any menstruating person."
    "None of this is about supporting life. What this is about is controlling women’s bodies, & controlling people who are not cisgender men. This is about making sure that someone like me as a woman or any menstruating person in this country cannot make decisions over their own body," she said.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-mo...describe-women
  • Sep 11, 2021, 04:26 AM
    tomder55
    I did not know about cigenders men and that I was one until a couple of days ago. In my silly simple mind either I was a male or not .....and since I was a little child I knew I was male . I guess that puts me on the low part of the totem pole in All Out Crazy's mind.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 05:23 AM
    jlisenbe
    Yeah. Thank goodness for people like AOC to keep the great unwashed masses up to date on these developments for modern man. It's even funnier that it hasn't seemed to occur to her that "any menstruating person" would not be a candidate for an abortion to begin with.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 07:52 AM
    Wondergirl
    She was qualifying/identifying a "woman" as being cisgender, not trans.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 08:30 AM
    jlisenbe
    Is that supposed to make it more sensible, to tell us that a "transwoman" cannot have an abortion? I think that not only do we already know that, but it just blows up the whole idea that a man who thinks he is a woman actually is a woman. Well, no he's not.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 09:24 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    a man who thinks he is a woman actually is a woman. Well, no he's not.

    Chromosomes say he is.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 10:08 AM
    jlisenbe
    Since when does the XY sex chromosome combo indicate female?
  • Sep 11, 2021, 10:44 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Since when does the XY sex chromosome combo indicate female?

    Hormones, especially estrogen, can affect the developing fetus. Here are two examples:
    1. Doctors prescribed estrogen from 1938 until 1971 to help some pregnant women who had had miscarriages or premature deliveries. At that time it was believed that these problems might have been caused by low levels of estrogen in the woman’s body. DES (Diethylstilbestrol) was used to correct this problem. Exposure to DES before birth has caused many boy babies to be transgender.
    2. Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic condition that results when a boy is born with an extra copy of the X chromosome. Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic condition affecting males, and it often isn't diagnosed until adulthood.

    We all start out as female, "which is perhaps hardly surprising given that the womb is an environment awash with female hormones. A genetically male fetus will therefore de­velop the female form of sexual organs until ‘maleness’ is switched on by the SRY gene on the Y chromosome, and the fetal testis starts to develop and then produce testosterone. Incidentally a func­tioning ovary is not needed to appear to be female, whereas a functioning testis is essential for a man."
    https://healthdoctrine.com/hormones-...e-development/
  • Sep 11, 2021, 10:52 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Hormones, especially estrogen, can affect the developing fetus.
    But that's not what you said. You clearly said "chromosomes". I suppose I should have realized that your symbolic meaning was "hormones"??

    I don't think anyone seriously suggests that Klinefelter Syndrome is responsible for the TG phenomenon. The two are not generally related.

    As to the estrogen situation, that ended in 1971, so men aged 50 or more might appeal to that. That's a very small part of the group.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 11:21 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    But that's not what you said. You clearly said "chromosomes". I suppose I should have realized that your symbolic meaning was "hormones"??

    Chromosomes are affected in utero by hormones.
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    I don't think anyone seriously suggests that Klinefelter Syndrome is responsible for the TG phenomenon. The two are not generally related.
    Of course, they are. Research can be your best friend.
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    As to the estrogen situation, that ended in 1971, so men aged 50 or more might appeal to that. That's a very small part of the group.
    Most of the males who have "come out" as transgender females are in that age group. If you'd read the entirety of what I posted, fetuses begin as female and, depending on testosterone activity, may retain a female brain. I had a bit later added more plus a link that you may not have seen.

    Men can't just, willy nilly, ask their primary doctor to make them women. There's a protocol to undergo, and that takes years.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 11:32 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Chromosomes are affected in utero by hormones.
    No, they are not. Chromosomes are set at conception. Learn some biology. "When the X containing sperm fertilizes the ova, female offsprings are formed. When the ovum is fertilized by Y containing sperms male offsprings are formed. Hence the sex of the child is determined by the type of sex chromosome contributed by the father. "

    https://www.vedantu.com/biology/sex-determination

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    Of course, they are. Research can be your best friend.
    Unfortunately for you, I already have. You are simply wrong. Even worse for you, KS is easily treated with testosterone injections. End of story.

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    Most of the males who have "come out" as transgender females are in that age group.
    Don't think that's true, but if you can prove it, then go for it. There is, for instance, a virtual stampede of children who are deciding they are trans after being encouraged to do so by ignorant adults.

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    If you'd read the entirety of what I posted, fetuses begin as female and, depending on testosterone activity, may retain a female brain.
    You were doing fine until the last five words. I'd have to see evidence for that. I'm not even convinced there is any such thing as a "female brain", or at least in the sense that you are using it. Not at birth there's not.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 11:43 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    No, they are not. Chromosomes are set at conception. Learn some biology.

    Do some honest research. Biology info has changed a lot since we were in school.
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    Unfortunately for you, I already have. You are simply wrong.
    Don't make me sic Jessica on you.
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    Don't think that's true, but if you can prove it, then go for it. There is, for instance, a virtual stampede of children who are deciding they are trans after being encouraged to do so by ignorant adults.
    I don't have to prove it. Do some honest research on DES.
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    You were doing fine until the last five words. I'd have to see evidence for that. I'm not even convinced there is any such thing as a "female brain", or at least in the sense that you are using it. Not at birth there's not.
    We are ALL female in utero until a testosterone bath occurs later. At birth, it depends on which hormones have had the most influence on the fetus's physical and mental development.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 11:51 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Do some honest research. Biology info has changed a lot since we were in school.
    I am a certified biology teacher. I have no intention of debating something so stupid as the idea that sex chromosomes are somehow determined later in pregnancy. We might as well discuss whether or not 2 plus 2 equals 4.

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    I don't have to prove it.
    You have no idea of how to prove it. How do you "prove" something that's not true?

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    We are ALL female in utero until a testosterone bath occurs later.
    Gender is determined at conception. It's a very simple concept that you refuse to accept since it does not support your political and social philosophies. What do you think determines whether or not that "testosterone bath" will take place?
  • Sep 11, 2021, 12:04 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I am a certified biology teacher. I have no intention of debating something so stupid as the idea that sex chromosomes are somehow determined later in pregnancy. We might as well discuss whether or not 2 plus 2 equals 4.

    I. Did. NOT. Say. They. Are. Somrhow. Determined. Later. In. Pregnancy!!!!
    And Biology has grown a few inches and a few arms and legs since you studied it.
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    You have no idea of how to prove it. How do you "prove" something that's not true?
    Research DES. Research what happens during pregnancy, especially the hormones flowing.
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    Gender is determined at conception. It's a very simple concept that you refuse to accept since it does not support your political and social philosophies.
    We all begin as female.
  • Sep 11, 2021, 12:51 PM
    jlisenbe
    I said, "Chromosomes are set at conception." Your reply was, "Do some honest research. Biology info has changed a lot since we were in school." All you had to do was simply agree, but you didn't. Now it seems you are finally seeing the light. Gender...is...determined...at...conception.

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    We all begin as female.
    That is untrue. Your sex chromosomes are either XX (female) or XY (male). That is determined at the moment of conception. Don't know how to get you to understand one of the most basic principles of human biology. Oh well. I've done my best. Now it's up to you.

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    If an egg is fertilized by an X-bearing sperm, the resulting embryo will have two X chromosomes (XX) and will grow into a baby girl. If a Y-bearing sperm fertilizes the egg, the embryo will have XY chromosomes – a boy (except in the rare case of testicular feminization). Since men’s sperm carry both male and female chromosomes (Y & X) in 50:50 proportion and women’s eggs carry only one female chromosome (only X, because her sex chromosomes are XX), the man’s sperm holds the key to a baby’s gender.
    https://www.gender-baby.com/methods/...is-determined/
  • Sep 12, 2021, 02:50 AM
    tomder55
    This is not a fair fight . If transformers want to compete in sports ,they should have their own category . Notice how you never see "former" women trying this stunt . It is always the "former" men who play women's sports and compete on an uneven playing field .

    Transgender fighter Alana McLaughlin wins MMA debut (nypost.com)
  • Sep 12, 2021, 05:31 AM
    jlisenbe
    Amazing how liberal dems want to follow the science until it goes against their political persuasions, and then it's time to throw science under the bus.
  • Sep 12, 2021, 08:30 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    This is not a fair fight . If transformers want to compete in sports ,they should have their own category .

    I totally agree, tomder! New competition categories should be set up. Tboys vs. Tgirls? Or each with their own league?
  • Sep 14, 2021, 04:23 AM
    tomder55
    classic All Out Crazy move
    She paid ;or most likely a donor paid $30,000 to attend the Metgala ($275,000 for a table ) . The Metgala is affectionately called “fashion's biggest night out,” It is sometimes referred to as the Costume Institute Gala or the Costume Institute Benefit or the Met Ball. It is a funder raiser or the Metropolitan Museum of Art where celebs hobnob and show off their fashion.

    The Met is a museum worthy of supporting . I have been there many times and gladly pay the "suggested " admission price .... oops I mean contribution ($25/adult ) .
    Pre-covid thousands of people visited the museum daily It also has a who's who of permanent patrons . So a gala to support it seems unnecessary . But it is the rich celebrating each other . So who am I to object ?

    But All Out Crazy attended and her choice of gown and statement was a white dress with red graffiti letters that said "tax the rich"


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_O3B3hX...jpg&name=small
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/image/...2 23SlSpUDP//Z

    Another example of do as I say not as I do. I was not there but I'm sure some of the celebs she rubs elbows with heartily agreed with her message . They have accountants and lawyers who can shelter their money and assets . The farmer who is "rich" because of property value ;or the businessperson who is "rich" because they bust their butt 24/7 to stay in business does not attend such galas .
  • Sep 14, 2021, 04:30 AM
    jlisenbe
    And as has been stated many times, the "rich" are pretty much the only ones who pay federal income taxes. The top twenty percent of income earners pay close to ninety percent of those taxes. The bottom half pay basically nothing. So her dress should have said, "Tax the Rich More."

    Even better, it should have read, "Print More Money."
  • Sep 14, 2021, 05:08 AM
    tomder55
    to me it looks like a chick fil A cup
    https://www.pinclipart.com/picdir/bi...traw-chick.png
  • Sep 14, 2021, 05:58 AM
    jlisenbe
    Isn't it amazing how quickly she went from bartending to running with the glamour crowd?
  • Sep 14, 2021, 07:54 AM
    jlisenbe
    It's a shame the liberals on this site have abandoned to field to the conservatives. It's unfortunate.
  • Sep 14, 2021, 11:17 AM
    jlisenbe
    OK. Now I completely understand why. Makes sense!!

    We really ought to talk. I've learned a lot from my conversations with WG. I don't agree with much of it, but it has still been enlightening. Not really sure where Athos is coming from, but he has a right to his opinions.
  • Sep 15, 2021, 05:55 AM
    tomder55
    The other thing notices in this celebration of the elites is that without exception ,the attendees were unmasked while the lowly servant class were all forced to mask up .This in a city where you are not allowed to gather without proof of vaccination .
    The same thing happened at a Madam Mim fundraiser ,and also at the emperor's birthday bash. Such elitist arrogance is what turned into the California recall effort . The people are sick of the elite's double standards
  • Sep 15, 2021, 07:13 AM
    jlisenbe
    Well said. Sadly, Californians decided to stick with a complete loser of a governor. I wonder how low the state has to go before deciding to make a change? For that matter, how low does our nation need to go before making a change?
  • Sep 17, 2021, 04:44 AM
    tomder55
    Turns out that the designer dress and the $995 handbag that came with it was designed by what All Out Crazy describes as a 'black woman immigrant' .Who is this person ?

    She is Brother Vellies founder Aurora James ;born in Canada . She is dating billionaire Seagram heir Benjamin Bronfman.

    The Rep of the poor and struggling people of Queens NY immediately began marketing merchandize with the same message . She sent out emails to supporters and donors encouraging them to purchase hoodies and tee shirts with the tax the rich message on her web site The tees cost $27 and the hoodies $58 . All part of the official merchandize collection .

    Tax The Rich Collection – Official AOC Shop (ocasiocortez.com)

    Official AOC Shop (ocasiocortez.com)


    The socialist Rep is quite the capitalist .
  • Sep 17, 2021, 04:48 AM
    jlisenbe
    It's worse even than that. The 58 dollar item is not even a hoodie. It's just a plain sweatshirt. Anyone paying 58 bucks for a sweatshirt advocating for a position that is already in place deserves to have AOC for his/her congresswoman.

    But there is good news! The items are all made in union shops! Perhaps that explains why a simple sweatshirt costs nearly sixty bucks. At those prices, AOC will soon be able to put out a sweatshirt that says, "Tax the Rich Congresswoman."
  • Sep 17, 2021, 07:36 AM
    jlisenbe
    Will anything be done about this? Unlikely, but it certainly should be addressed.

    Quote:

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was hit Thursday with another ethics complaint over her attendance at Monday night’s Met Gala, with a second conservative watchdog group claiming she violated House rules on accepting gifts.

    The complaint from the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) to the Office of Congressional Ethics alleged that Ocasio-Cortez improperly accepted tickets from a table sponsor for herself and her boyfriend.

    House rules allow members to take free tickets to charity events directly from event organizers, and The Post reported Tuesday that AOC and boyfriend Riley Roberts were directly invited by the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

    However, the NLPC argued that "it is the table sponsor who is gifting or underwriting a coveted seat to AOC at the Gala.

    "And if … the table where AOC sat was one paid for by one of [the] corporations attending the event, such as Instagram or Facebook, AOC has received a prohibited gift from the corporation that also lobbies Congress."

    The complaint further alleged that the borrowed white Brother Vellies gown worn by AOC — which featured the words "Tax The Rich" scrawled on the back in red lettering — constituted an impermissible gift because it was "directly related to AOC’s ‘position with the House’ as a highly visible and controversial Member."
    "If AOC had not been a Member, she would not have been invited to the Gala," the document read, "and even if she would have been invited as a private citizen, the designer would not have made a special dress for her to wear at the event.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc...laint-met-gala
  • Sep 23, 2021, 08:24 PM
    jlisenbe
    Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) mocked Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) during a Senate floor speech on Wednesday over the congresswoman’s past antics at the U.S.-Mexico border when President Donald Trump was in office compared to her actions now.

    “I’ll tell you: I’ve been to the border. I’ve been to the Biden cages,” Cruz said. “For four years, Democrats went on and on and on, the corrupt corporate media went on and on and on about kids in cages. You couldn’t turn on the evening news without ‘hearing kids in cages.’ What they didn’t tell you is Barack Obama built those cages. And today under Joe Biden, the cages are bigger and they’re more full than they were before.”

    “Mr. President, every Democrat who stood up and lamented kids in cages, in the House of Representatives, Representative Ocasio-Cortez, has a famous photo of her grasping her head by the kids in cages,” Cruz said as he imitated the photo. “Well, I’m going to give a simple challenge for Representative Ocasio-Cortez and for every Democrat in this body. Go see the Biden cages with your own eyes.”

    “Why does Joe Biden refuse to go to the Rio Grande Valley? Because if he goes, the TV cameras will come with him,” Cruz later added. “Why does Kamala Harris, who’s supposed to be the border czar, she’s supposed to be in charge of this, why won’t she go to the Rio Grande Valley? Because if she went, the TV cameras would come and would show the Biden cages. And the Democrats are counting on the corrupt corporate media to suddenly say nothing to see here. 15,000 Haitians under a bridge in Del Rio. Nothing to see here. Anyone want to know what Joe Biden’s favorite ice cream flavor is? That’s the news!”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/ted-c...m_content=news
  • Sep 24, 2021, 05:29 AM
    tomder55
    I am beginning to think it is a mistake to elevate All Out Crazy too much . It confers on her more prestige than is warranted
  • Sep 24, 2021, 04:05 PM
    jlisenbe
    Could be, but she's just the gift that keeps on giving. It's hard to stay away from her.
  • Sep 25, 2021, 01:52 AM
    tomder55
    ok this is relevant

    She hates Israel . But she has Jewish votes in her district ;and she wants Schmucky's Senate Seat .She needs the Jewish vote . So rather to vote down funding of the Iron Dome ,she voted present . She gives a barely comprehensible non-explanation why here .

    A Note from Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez | Representative Ocasio-Cortez (house.gov)

    All other members of the "Squad" voted no . But her explanation is a classic parody of liberal woke discourse ....social justice , grievances and her own personal drama queen being victimized by the system .

    It created a real sense of panic and horror among those in our community who otherwise engage thoughtfully in these discussions, and fueled the discussion to devolve to a point where it became clear that this vote would risk a severe devolution of the good faith community fabric that allows us to responsibly join in a struggle for human rights and dignity everywhere - from Palestine to The Bronx and Queens.............Yes, I wept. I wept at the complete lack of care for the human beings that are impacted by these decisions, I wept at an institution choosing a path of maximum volatility and minimum consideration for its own political convenience. And I wept at the complete lack of regard I often feel our party has to its most vulnerable and endangered members and communities

    Here is the line that makes most sense "To those who believe this line of reasoning is insufficient or cowardice, I understand."

    The vote ended up a bipartisan 420-9 So what exactly would a 24 hour delay accomplish ? ​
  • Sep 25, 2021, 05:25 AM
    jlisenbe
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    who otherwise engage thoughtfully in these discussions
    Engage thoughtfully? AOC? When did that ever happen?

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