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and that is what they got .He signs what they tell him to sign and smiles at the camera and growls when challenged .
Then they put the worse possible group in the line of succession to guarantee that the 25th amendment would not be invoked ... After Quid you have:
VP Kam the Sham
Speaker Madam Mim
Dare I go on ?
Patrick Leahy
Blinken
Yellen
Sec Def Loyd Austin
AG Garland
and so on
You really should start your posts, Once Upon a Time.....
We get your are staunchly partisan, but this doesn't have a shred of plausibility, or even grounding in reality..
what part ? About the 25th amendment ? About Quid smiling at the camera when making prepared speeches and growling when challenged ? Did you see the heavily edited interview with George Stephanoulos (ABC is afraid to release the full unedited video) ? Dramatic video of bodies falling out of the wheel wells of evacuation US planes ? "That's old news "
Both sides of the aisle in Congress has members that think it's time for him to go .... and our ally the Brits have held Quid in contempt .
I can guarantee that Kam the Sham is quietly polling the cabinet members to get a sense to determine if the 25th amendment is doable .
(Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.)
The line of succession is a fact .
I add that Quid is attempting to throw deep state under the bus . He defends himself by saying they were the incompetents that came up with the plan themselves . Quid absolves himself of responsibility even as he drools out the pabulum ..."the buck stops here" .
The problem is that Schmucky Shumer correctly pointed out to Trump what happens when someone goes after the deep state " (they have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you . . .) They executed their show trial on Trump for daring to take on their Ukraine policy. They spread lies about Russia paying the Taliban bounties so they could prevent Trump from executing an orderly end to the war. Quid did not follow the deep state formula(keeping the endless wars going ) and that is why we have this debacle .
The problem is that everyone knows Quid is too feeble of mind to have come up with any plan...even a bad one .
Members of Congress know that Schmucky's admonition applies to them as well. So when they decide to pull the plug on Quid ;It will be done.
Seems hard to imagine how anyone could contend that Biden is not mentally impaired.
Who's the Dumkirk? *cough* Trump thinks Dunkirk was a loss.
Trump said, "This could be—Afghanistan—another Dunkirk.”
Uhm...Dunkirk was a loss. The Brits heroically managed to evac a large number of troops, but it was part of the general military disaster of the Nazi invasion of France. It was a loss made more tolerable by the evacuation of part of the BEF, but it was very much a loss.Quote:
Trump thinks Dunkirk was a loss.
What do you think it was?
Why is it that libs have no other answer than to take an undeserved swipe at Trump? At any rate, Gen. Petraeus agreed with Trump. "IT’S AMERICA’S “DUNKIRK MOMENT.”AT LEAST THAT’S HOW FORMER TOP US GENERAL DAVID PETRAEUS DESCRIBED THE US OPERATION TO AIRLIFT ITS CITIZENS AND DESPERATE AFGHAN COMRADES FROM TALIBAN-CONTROLLED AFGHANISTAN, COMPARING IT TO THE BRITISH RETREAT FROM NAZI-OCCUPIED EUROPE IN 1940. PETRAEUS, WHO ONCE COMMANDED US FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN, ALSO BRANDED PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN’S CHAOTIC WITHDRAWAL A DISASTER."
Not you too!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It's dubbed the "Miracle of Dunkirk." 198,000 British troops and 140,000 French troops were saved at Dunkirk - 380,000 soldiers altogether.
When you have to evacuate your troops because the enemy force has driven them to the coast, and you only are able to evac part of the troops and very little of the equipment, then that qualifies as a military defeat just about everywhere. We are going to be able to evac most of our people, but no one other than a genuinely committed lib is going to characterize it as anything other than a military and diplomatic defeat, JUST LIKE DUNKIRK.
“Wars are not won by evacuations” (Churchill)
for the record ;the Brits were able to evacuate only because Hitler refused to commit his tanks to the attack because he believed they needed infantry support .So he delayed the attack on the beach .
The British army was poorly led by a generation of old menwhose experience was imperial rule, unaware of how much military tactics and technology had advanced since World War I.
“I still cannot understand how it is that the Bosches [Germans] have allowed us to get the BEF off in this way. It is almost fantastic that we have been able to do it in the face of all the bombing and gunning.”
Churchill knew his army was shattered. Its ranks were seriously depleted and its leadership required a generational shake-up. A large number of older officers were found unfit to lead their troops in battle and were summarily sent home. This, at least, had the effect of bringing sudden promotion to younger men, some of whom would bring fresh thinking to future battles.
Then it was a MIRACLE that so many were evacuated and their lives saved. Nothing has been said that Dunkirk was a victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No miracle needed . We have the superior force All it would take was the will to evacuate every American who wanted to leave . The Brits are sending troops outside the perimeter to evacuate . The Americans are watching Americans denied at Taliban check points .
Austin contradicts Biden, says Americans have been ‘beaten’ by the Taliban - POLITICO
So Trump was right. Good.Quote:
Nothing has been said that Dunkirk was a victory.
Nope yet again! He was referring to the EVACUATION going on right now and comparing this evacuation to the one at Dunkirk.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So the evacuation is a victory? Well, OK then.
We. Aren't. Taking. About. Victory. Or. Defeat. We. Are. Talking. About. EVACUATION.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You said Trump was wrong in referencing Dunkirk as a "loss" (Trump thinks Dunkirk was a loss). Now you say you aren't talking about victory or defeat. Are you always this confused?
No, you are. I'll pray for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Trump (and apparently you) doesn't understand the difference between the words loss and evacuation.
Well, Afghanistan is a disaster and Trump accurately described it. Your TDS is just kicking up again. It’ll pass.
You haven't changed. When you're losing, insult your opponent before you walk away.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Walk away? You’ve never seen that in me. Now you disappear for days at a time.
I was not insulting you, but you have gone down a road with this trump accusation that is leading nowhere.
Our situation in Afghanistan is very much similar to Dunkirk.
America evacuated from Chosin Reservoir . No one ever claimed it was a victory .Everyone considers our exit from Vietnam a defeat and disaster . But over 138,000 Vietnamese were evacuated in that disaster in aa couple of days .,and were processed as refuges here .
There is no certainty that all Americans will be evacuated let alone the 10s of thousand Afghanis that were loyal to us . .
Then please tell my husband not to be ill. I'm gone again. Bye.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I do hope he recovers soon. God bless you both.
You two are Hilarious!
Why don't we call it what it was...“Miracle at Dunkirk!” Only God knows.Quote:
understand the difference between the words loss and evacuation.
“We must be very careful not to assign to this deliverance the attributes of a victory,” Churchill warned in a speech delivered on June 4, 1940.Quote:
Who's the Dumkirk? *cough* Trump thinks Dunkirk was a loss.
Trump said, "This could be—Afghanistan—another Dunkirk.”
Dunkirk/Afghanistan - Can you say - "Phony War." Dunkirk all over again...here we have the same incompetence, lack of preparation, and refusal to recognize the seriousness of the situation that characterized the first nine months of WWII...yet another Phony War.
Why did Hitler issue the halt order? No one knows for sure. I believe his ego got in the way, he wanted his generals to know who was in charge.Quote:
Brits were able to evacuate only because Hitler refused to commit his tanks to the attack because he believed they needed infantry support. So he delayed the attack on the beach
: Greetings my friend.Quote:
jlisenbe
And to you, Walter. Good to see you back.
probably ...but I also think it was the nature of how the Germans conducted war . They did not plan for the rapid folding of the Brit /French front so their tanks outran not only their infantry ,but also their fuel supply. Patton ran into the same issue in Lorraine after the breakout .
There has long been the idea out there that Hitler thought that giving the Brits a break might cause them to be more open to peace (surrender) talks.
German historian Karl Heinz Friedser, after close scrutiny of all available documents, has convincingly argued that Hitler did not, in fact, call off the attack as an olive branch to Churchill. In fact his decision was the result of his intention to, once and for all, make it clear to the military leadership that he was in fact the supreme commander of the German armed forces, and not them.
I think this one better suits Mein Fuhrer
Probably does. Things were going well for Herr Hitler at that point so he wanted everyone, I'm sure. to know of his supposed military genius.
Blitzkrieg was a risky way to fight , As mentioned there was the issue of extended lines ,and the risk of being flanked . Frieser points that out in "The Blitzkrieg Legend".
Too true. The Germans were all about Taking Risks. Declaring War (unwitting component) all the while planning to do the same thing (Ardennes) in WWII as they did in WWI (Ardennes)...The war ended with them playing the same tune at the Battle of the Bulge (Ardennes).Quote:
Blitzkrieg was a risky way to fight
For whatever reason; Hitler halted all movement on the front. He thought his man Goring had it Covered.Quote:
Hitler ordered Luftwaffe to destroy the Allied troops at Dunkirk - and any ships attempting to evacuate them. Göring stated Luftwaffe could do it. Unfortunately, Göring had promised more than he could deliver
Goring would fail him once more at Stalingrad... Goring (a yes-man...perfect politician) was our best ally.
Now that the Taliban is out in the open why not send in the clones...uh err I mean Drones???
Might possibly be the greatest victory (pretend we are withdrawing, then strike with a vengeance) the World has ever seen...another Dunkirk (In reverse)!
A yah, were leaving, ya see, yah yah that's it. We're gonna get the heck outta here...you Win! bye bye now. When they come out into the open...hit em with everything we got!!!
Instead, we get: hey, hey, guys listen up here: turns out we forgot to tell some of the people we were leaving (who knew, thought they liked it there), So we're going to send some more guys in, just to collect them...If you interfere with our evacuation efforts you'll be sorry...We Promise you that...be afraid, be very afraid. I think they are afeared of us now!
I mean it's turning into a modern-day Dunkirk. We have United Airlines, two from Hawaiian Airlines and three from each – American Airlines, Atlas Air, Delta Air Lines, and Omni Air coming to the rescue.
We WIN!
America's Dunkirk.
Woot, Woot! I mean it sure feels the same, doesn't it?
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