Nothing like a well planned and executed withdrawal.Quote:
Taliban insurgents take Kandahar, Herat as US plans to evacuate Americans from embassy in Kabul
https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-takes-kandahar
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Nothing like a well planned and executed withdrawal.Quote:
Taliban insurgents take Kandahar, Herat as US plans to evacuate Americans from embassy in Kabul
https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-takes-kandahar
I just commented on this here
the US leaves amess behind (askmehelpdesk.com)
All this leaves is the stench of defeat
How did the Australian withdrawal go when you pulled out the 25 truck drivers you had there (or whatever it was)? The country that does basically nothing is in no place to criticize.
military intelligence . The evacuation has to happen at the Karzai International Airport ;an airport right in the middle of residential areas in the city . We gave up Bagram base without a fight deserting it in the dead of night ,leaving some very expensive equipment behind .
What happens when Afghani's seeing the US Embassy bugging out realize the gravity of the situation swarm the airport in a mad dash to escape ? Will that powerhouse Afghan military be able to maintain a perimeter around the airport long enough for us to leave ? We could have scenes of Saigon with personnel being chopper-lift off the roof of the embassy and no way to evacuate them out of the country.
Comparison to Saigon withdrawal is bad enough. How about comparison to the Brit evacuation through the Khyber Pass.
After massacre, sole surviving British soldier escapes Kabul - HISTORY
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Instead of crowing about a possible bad result for our soldiers and our country as it tries to extricate itself from a lousy situation, why don't you offer some encouragement to the brave men and women in uniform who find themselves in harm's way trying to protect our fellow citizens and our allies?
You mean like you would be doing if it was a Trump administration responsible for this mess?
One wonders why everyone wasn't evacuated at the same time, afterall it isn't as though the Taliban are rational
Very true. I'd love to see the rationale for this withdrawal being done in the mannerin which it has been done.
crowing ? Do you think we should've bugged out of Bagran the way we did ? Being there may have been folly (remember the emperor called it the good war )
I have nothing but admiration and respect for the troops . Left to their devises we would not be serving them the cr@p sandwich we did .
Deputy Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs Molly Montgomery posted a tweet yesterday that said ;"Woke up with a heavy heart, thinking about all the Afghan women and girls I worked with during my time in Kabul,. They were the beneficiaries of many of the gains we made, and now they stand to lose everything. We empowered them to lead, and now we are powerless to protect them,"
She quickly deleted it ,no doubt under orders from the Administration .
We are welcoming in thousands of translators and others who assisted us . But it is sad to think of what is to become of the many women who were empowered during our time there.
It is a betrayal of trust .Our allies around the world must think that there is a time clock on American's commitments to them .
Russian representatives recently met with representatives of nations in the Caspian Sea basin , What was the Russian message to them ? The Russians have to be overjoyed at the chaotic withdrawal of the US from central Asia . Russia is telling them that they need to come back to the protection of the Russian bear because the US has walked away from it's commitment to a stable central Asia . https://www.aljazeera.com/.../central-asia-taliban...
our soldiers are among them, what is deplored here is the shocking lack of leadership on the part of the nation that wants to leadQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Yeah. It's a shame the lieutenant in charge of the three dozen Aussies wasn't in command.
Well at least he didn't run like a coward the experience might make him a General some day
Oh? He's still there? Really?
We all know that when the Americans started leaving, the Aussies immediately jumped on planes and headed out.
Madam Mim told members of the House that she has arranged for a House-wide, classified briefing on Afghanistan early in the week of August 23rd when members return. Here is what the briefing will say ...... The Taliban took over Afghanistan and Americans were stranded there while you were on vacation.
Taliban enters Afghan presidential palace after Ghani flees: Live | Joe Biden News | Al Jazeera
US Says Kabul Airport Under Fire As Taliban Seize Afghan Capital (ndtv.com)
WATCH: The rush to flee Afghanistan, chaos at Kabul airport | French ambassador leaves on helicopter - YouTube
Chaos at Kabul airport, hundreds want to leave Afghanistan. Gunshots can be heard. #shorts #kabul - YouTube
Below is a chopper leaving the US Embassy . Deja vu
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E80EKPSW...g&name=900x900
At least Biden managed to get a military that admits transgender individuals and places women in more combat positions. As to the rest...Oh well.
Madam Mim said :"The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and his action. The Taliban must know the world is watching its actions. We are concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls."
ummm Quid is at Camp David . But yeah he makes good statements .
Madam Mim tweeted :"The U.S., the international community and the Afghan government must do everything we can to protect women and girls from inhumane treatment by the Taliban. As we strive to assist them, we must recognize that their voices are important and respect their culture."
The women have no protection .Taliban are forcing girls as young as 12 to be given to them for marriage. This is what happens with an unconditional hasty withdrawal . Americans are fleeing for their lives right now while the Kabul airport is under fire. Quid is to be commended ?
Afghans Tell of Executions, Forced ‘Marriages’ in Taliban-Held Areas - WSJ
Madam Mim tweeted : "Congress shares the President's concern for Afghans who have assisted U.S. efforts in country. Most of all, we join the President in acknowledging the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform and their families. " A poorly thought out exit led to this disaster American lives lost and treasure squandered .
Quid will address the nation about Afghanistan in the next few days,
(3) President Biden expected to address nation regarding Afghanistan in the next few days (cnn.com)
Crisis will be over by then except the negotiations to free the US hostages left behind.
Prediction. “It is all Trump’s fault.”
probably . But Trump is not presiding over this disaster . Quid wanted the optics of being able to say all US forces were out of Afganistan on the 20th anniversary of 9-11.
An orderly withdrawal was possible . The Taliban made no advances when the US was giving air support to the Afghan army. So we could've held out for as long as necessary . For 20 years the Taliban made an offensive in the spring and retreated to their Paki bases in the winter . Had Quid held out to the winter ,there would've been an orderly transfer.
Every single Quid stooge was there when the emperor made a hasty retreat from Iraq ;only to have to return to take on ISIS . The Taliban is releasing from jail not only Taliban fighters ,but also AQ terrorists that were detained .
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At least Biden managed to get a military that admits transgender individuals and places women in more combat positions. As to the rest...Oh well
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While we are discussing great accomplishments by the Biden admin, we learn yesterday that seizure of illegal drugs along the border (meth and fentanyl in particular) are more than twice as high in only eight months as the entire 12 months of last year. Plainly the cartels are far bolder in shipping drugs across the border.
well I guess you have to have pride in something
that's what you take away from that?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No. I also took away that Australia is wonderful in all respects and an absolute world leader in military defense.
You can't hide the truth, our borders are closed
The fish aren’t trying to get in?
no, nor are the Chinese the abos like a little garlic with their chinkQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Back to the theme, another tiny nation has declared victory over the invader. The Taliban, like the Vietcong but unlike ISIS, have prevailed. Afghanistan has a long history of being the graveyard of invaders, something the US should have learned from. What this tells us is you should never write off the tiny nations
Didn't you say earlier that the Aussies were there? Why didn't you guys learn that before entering?Quote:
something the US should have learned from.
Stupidly we followed you
We went to war against the Taliban after 9/11, with across the board support from allies and partners, as well as with clear moral sanction and justification . America’s military action against OBL's jihadiststan and their Taliban enablers was justifiable retaliation for the murder of thousands of U.S. citizens. The objective was clear ; to kill or capture OBL and other senior figures in his terrorist group, and those Taliban leaders who gave him safe haven. When OBL escaped Afghanistan and the Taliban driven from power ,we should've handed over the country to our Afghan allies ,the Northern Alliance. In this our troops and allies forces served bravely .
Bush and the emperor reformulated the goal from GWOT to “Overseas Contingency Operations” (OCO) . The mission became murky and ill defined .Neither wanted to be the one who "lost " ( the emperor called it the good war .)
Trump challenged the assumptions and was met with resistance that was the equivalent of a coup attempt by members of the US intel community ,military ,and state . Still he made the goal clear ;end our war in Afghanistan .
Quid was chosen to be VP by the emperor because of his foreign policy expertise . Enough said about that. The rapid fall of Afghanistan into chaos disproves that assumption .
Quid should've addressed the nation yesterday . Instead we are told he will in the coming days . Yesterday was a horrible disaster and he was AWOL .
He is on vacation. Perhaps he is, in some ways, on permanent vacation. At any rate, the withdrawal was poorly executed. When Biden gets around to addressing the nation, he will no doubt blame the whole mess on Trump in the same way Obama spent several years blaming everything on Bush.Quote:
Yesterday was a horrible disaster and he was AWOL .
I don't see how he gets away with the non-evacuation of possibly thousands of US citizens stuck there after they were advised to "shelter in place" ......no doubt with masks ,vax ,and proper social distancing .
Quid's failures are cascading and he really doesn't seem to even recognize them. Even the legacy compliant press and his apologists on cable news are perplexed .
So far this month ,inflation ,covid ,the border are all out of control....and now Afghanistan . Clearly a good time to skip town and disappear.
This was CNNs reporting this morning :
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Biden is expected to address the nation in the next few days about the crisis in Afghanistan, according to a senior administration official, though a final decision on a speech hadn't been made and the President hasn't yet cut short his summer vacation visit to Camp David.
(And this is not just here . Brit Foreign Sec Dominic Raab was on vacation all this week as the events unfolded .)
The really sickening part, aside from giving up what had been earned by American blood, is leaving the tens of thousands of Afghans who had helped us in the lurch who will now be rounded up and shot by the Taliban. Biden's performance in this whole mess has been abysmal. We were doing a relatively good job of holding the country with the ten thousand or so troops we had there. I wish we would learn that once we commit ourselves to a foreign nation and involve many of their people in supporting what is being done, we cannot under any circumstances just decide to pull out and hit the road. It was a terrible decision.
His strength was supposed to be foreign policy . Right now if being generous ,he is right up their with Lord Elphinstone . Already hearing reports of beheadings of prisoners
Did you hear Trey Gowdy's powerful commentary yesterday ?Quote:
. I wish we would learn that once we commit ourselves to a foreign nation and involve many of their people in supporting what is being done, we cannot under any circumstances just decide to pull out and hit the road. It was a terrible decision.
Trey Gowdy: 'Have we kept our word' to the Afghan people? | Fox News
As I heard Trey Gowdy say, "It's not mission accomplished, but rather mission abandoned."
The mission was abandoned a long time ago, you kicked the shlt out of el Qaeda and that should have been an end to it, but no, the do-gooders stepped in and interfered in their civil war
AQ was not defeated . They are in Afghanistan still under the Taliban's patronage. Now that Taliban owns the country expect AQ bases to reconstitute . There were no US combat deaths there last year . A few thousand troops there in a non-combat intel and training mission would've had asset close enough to deal with them. That is why giving up Bagram was such a huge mistake (let alone all the equipment now in the Taliban hands ) A US base in a hostile nation ? Well we have had one in Cuba since 1960 .
The mission to prevent AQ from securing state sponsored sanctuary was ongoing until Quid gave a hard deadline for withdrawal. The nation-state building was a folly . Ending the original mission still ongoing until Quid decided on the optics of ending US involvement by the 20th anniversary of 9-11 will go down as one of the biggest policy blunders in US history .
I wonder how often the Taliban look at each other and think, "Man, those Americans sure are dumb. Look at all this combat gear they just left for the pickings."
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