The powers that be in Aussie have decreed 'we must lock down'.

Greater Sydney restrictions | NSW Government

Stay at home orders are now in place in South Australia, Victoria and parts of New South Wales.
Covid: Anger as half of Australians in lockdown again - BBC News
"You must stay home,"....."Only leave your home if you have a reasonable excuse."

Aussies took to the streets to protest . Dozens were arrested with the threat to mass arrest .
Warning issued to anti-lockdown protesters ahead of another planned march in Sydney | 7NEWS


Well not enough of them . They are becoming a nation of sheeple.

Coronavirus Australia: Amid border closures and lockdowns, what happened to the civil liberties movement? (smh.com.au)

“Their response is civil liberties have to be sacrificed for the sake of the greater good which is keeping everybody healthy through COVID,” says Wright. “That’s the politicians’ response.”......
“We don’t have much of a human rights culture, unlike, for example, Canada and America and Europe,” she says. “In one respect that might mean we are much more amenable to restrictions on rights which are genuinely altruistic and good for the community such as major lockdowns and border closures, which have in the past served us well.
The problem is they don't have constitutional guarantees of liberty . They did not think they needed them . They are wrong . Gillian Triggs, president of the Australian Human Rights Commission said in 2014 ; "The truth is that, without constitutional guarantees, the measure of our freedom of expression has become that which remains after all the laws that restrict the right have been taken into account,"
Free speech and human rights in Australia | Australian Human Rights Commission

In other words ,when it is governments that grant rights instead of rights being granted by nature's God ,the rights are subject to the whim of the rulers .

Even in the US there must be constant vigilance by the people because the instinct of the government bends towards authoritarian if not properly restrained .

Pretty good example of how to provide good documentation.

I hear the bleating of sheep

https://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...bb06a1343171af

Everyone is tired of the lockdowns but living in a covid free, for the moment, area as I do, I say something must be done to stop the spreaders migrating, and it has been. The virus has spread among ethnic groups who congregate in large numbers. Almost all those at a funeral became infected, many of those infected were unvaccinated. The idiots in the community must be stopped from spreading it otherwise it is tantamount to murder

If you don't want to get Covid, then get vaccinated. Then you don't need to be concerned about what other people do or don't do.

https://www.news.com.au/national/bre...4dfd406ef30457

and how do we stop this happening?

Get vaccinated?

We should probably do, in the United States, whatever South Dakota is doing. The rate of new cases has been pretty steady for several months, but the current death rate is zero. Since April 1, in fact, there have been only eight deaths total. I guess it pays to have a repub gov.

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Or be the state with one of the smallest populations.

The governments are creating a great fraud . They want a permanent pandemic world so they can further restrict your basic liberties . Here is the absurdity . il Duce Cuomo said that NY would go door to door to make people comply with getting vaxed on the same week that the CDC director said that we are 1 or 2 variants before the vaccines are obsolete.

Today Queensland reported 6 new cases woooohooo !

Your nation in particular is a disgrace . You have a low vaccine rate and are relying on the least trusted vaccine on the market .

When Will Covid End? We Must Start Planning For a Permanent Pandemic - Bloomberg

Andrews government secretly negotiating permanent pandemic laws to replace state of emergency | Liberty Victoria

How the Coronavirus Pandemic Will Permanently Expand Government Powers (foreignpolicy.com)

I can hardly wait to see the video of New York forcing a BLM member to take a shot. It will be interesting.

WG. So a person is less likely to die in a small state? Interesting.

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It's not a "small state". The virus is spread via human contact. You've never been to SD, have you.

Total area in square miles:
South Dakota 77,117
Mississippi 48,430

It is great to be an armchair hero, or is that critic, Tom. Decisions were made in a different environment and Astra Zeneca was selected for local manufacture. The other options were not available until late in 2021. In the meanwhile problems have been found with all vaccines so we are making the best of a bad lot with the tools at our disposal. I don't agree with wholesale lockdowns but it is an effective tool when used to isolate clusters. The governments here are frustrated with the stupidity of certain elements in the population. Most of us have accepted lockdown while we wait for vaccination to be available but the antivaxxers and freedom even if it kills both you and me mob have gotten out of hand and it is they who must be suppressed. We have infected people roaming the land just because they think it is a good thing, idiot truck drivers who are continuing their interstate journeys even when they know they are infected, one of these even resulted in his own mother's death. I say have a complete quick sharp lockdown and everyone stay put for two weeks, you won't starve

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It's not a "small state". The virus is spread via human contact. You've never been to SD, have you.

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But you are completely missing the point. The virus HAS been spreading, and they have had a spike in infections, but the death rate is zero, so population density has nothing to do with it. They are doing something right.

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But you are completely missing the point. The virus HAS been spreading, and they have had a spike in infections, but the death rate is zero, so population density has nothing to do with it. They are doing something right.

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How is it spread in your state? Why aren't infected people dying?

That’s a great question. Perhaps we should find out.

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By WLOX Staff
Published: Jul. 27, 2021 at 9:14 AM CDT

JACKSON, Miss. (WLOX) - The Mississippi State Department of Health reported 1,291 new cases of COVID-19 and 15 new deaths in the state on Tuesday. The number of new cases were reported between 3pm Sunday and 3pm Monday.

https://www.wlox.com/2021/07/27/1291...y-mississippi/

Population density is obviously a factor

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Exactly! Here's South Dakota:
https://www.travelsouthdakota.com

Pop density does not explain why the death rate in SD is zero. The infection rate is significant, but the death rate is zero. So if we think a little, we should ask, "Why is that? What are they doing right?" Same very low death rate is also going on in Alabama, California, and Florida. Cases are up, but deaths are either very low or zero. Why?

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Great! Then Mayor Lightfoot will be happy when I tell her that.

Like I said, "If we think a little." That's the key. Pop density cannot be the answer.

Clete it is clear that the virus mutation rate makes it an endemic situation that will not be completely solved or eradicated for many years .That truck driver you speak of does not have the luxury that you clearly have to lock down and wait it out . He has to feed his family AND your cities that are being locked down need the goods he brings to your markets . Have you heard about the current supply chain inflation ? Keeping your transportation system locked down contributes to that problem .Weakening your economy and your liberties is exactly the wrong way of fighting this battle .

There has to be a long term approach to this . The virus is doing textbook Darwin mutating . The CDC director is correct about vaccines . The vaccine does not prevent someone vaxed from getting the virus and spreading it . A few variants or so may make the current vaccines completely ineffective .

The death rate ? It is not in the virus best interest to kill off it's host . So your see a more virulent but less deadly variety in the Delta variant ;and that will probably be the case in the other Greek letters that you will hear about shortly .

Yes the vax is part of the solution. But unless that makes it to the developing world where new strains are evolving and multiplying then all your lock downs will be nothing more than spinning your wheels in sand.

Long term the development of treatments may be more important than development of vaccines .

give it a rest Tom you can't vaccinate the whole world against a strain that hasn't happened yet

Clete is perfectly happen to sit at home and force the rest of his country to do likewise.

Correct Clete . Humans have to adapt and live normal lives with the risk

I admit a general lockdown is an over reaction, however the community has to be protected from idiots

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I think that's about right. Get vaxed if you want to, but otherwise it's somewhat like getting in your car and driving to work. You simply accept the risk. If I was under thirty, I don't think I'd take the vaccine. Of course for me, thirty was a LOONNNGGG time ago.

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Get vaxed if you want to, but otherwise it's somewhat like getting in your car and driving to work.

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Do not put on your seatbelt or stop for red lights and stop signs or obey the speed limit (go as fast as you want to). Heck, drive in whichever lane you want to!

vaccination should be mandated

For the sheeple, yes.

they still do not even have FDA approval . They are a long way away from being proven. Now Quid is trying to use a study about AstraZeneca's
vax that is has been rejected by peer review to justify more mask mandates . I'll say it again . The Dems do not want the "crisis " to go away . They do not want normal because if things were normal they could never pass the massive spending bills going through Congress.

Still don’t understand why it is anyone else’s business if I get vaccinated.

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If you haven't, stay home.

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because you carry the idea of liberty to excess, true liberty is exercising your responsibility to your fellows and being held accountable

Total antibody levels start to wane six weeks after complete ..

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You musta missed the polio scare back in the '40s and '50s.

Yes vaccination might mean booster shots as it does with flu vaccination or other vaccinations. This isn't a silver bullet but a protection for both you and your neighbours, your friends, your family so stop the B/S and get on with the job

a study published in The Lancet journal has found that the total antibody levels start to become weaker six weeks after completing immunisation with Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines. The antibody levels may also be reduced by more than 50 per cent over 10 weeks or 2-3 months.



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because you carry the idea of liberty to excess, true liberty is exercising your responsibility to your fellows and being held accountable

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Good conclusion! And his need for liberty must mean he's a liberal.

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You must missed the polio scare back in the '40s and '50s.

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I didn't miss it, my freaked out mother created life long health problems for me because of her reaction, and the stupid ideas prevalent at the time

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Did you get vaccines (maybe smallpox and polio) when you were a baby? And the required booster shots as followup?

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I didn't miss it, my freaked out mother created life long health problems for me because of her reaction, and the stupid ideas prevalent at the time

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No swimming in public pools! We believed even the neighborhood stray dog carried polio, so we named him that.