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some not so veiled insults not just for the US but for Australia, India, Taiwan, Japan, interesting they should use a Christian iconic painting to lampoon
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https://imageresizer.static9.net.au/...d-a364cf32a431
some not so veiled insults not just for the US but for Australia, India, Taiwan, Japan, interesting they should use a Christian iconic painting to lampoon
so I see once again anything beyond your borders is of no interest
That is not the vision that came to my mind. This 1910 portrait is more fitting
The portrait of the Euro monarchs at the funeral of King Edward VII . In a few years the empires would commit fratricide . The G 7 once represented 70 % of the world's wealth . Today it is 40% .
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...jE6_dIGt7zeMA=
Ah yes but whose head could you put on which body to typify the current hegemony
Merkel ,Macron ,Quid ,Trudeau ,Boris Johnson ,Yoshihide , Draghi ,and the EU clowns that attend. Macron welcomed Quid back to the "club" . What is the club ? Well it is recognition of Quid's desire to bring America towards the Euro - welfare state .
we know who the leaders of the club are Tom, they are the same nine who attended and were lampooned by the Chinese. The US is far from the welfare state Tom, so no fear there. The last attempt ended in regime change, so more caution this time
Quid has proposed no less than 4 new permanent entitlements in the 5 months he has been in office . If all his wish list passed he would be well on his way to exceeding FDR and Johnson combined.
yes but he has yet to out do Obama and the health care initiative
Obamacare is a Fabian first step . The Dems have long desired Euro cradle to grave freebees .
The myth of Democrats being radical socialists is nonsense. Socialism is against the private ownership of the means of production (capitalism). That seems to have escaped the Repub members who have embraced the far-right.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That is not the position of the Democratic Party, the Democrats in Congress, or of Biden, Harris, or even of Sanders. Many Republicans in Congress know better, but unfortunately they have to go along to please the extreme far-right Republican base because they need their votes to win primary elections.
What almost all Democrats advocate is what even conservative parties in the UK and European democracies advocate: a capitalist economy with proper regulation of business and social programs to provide healthcare, education, and economic security to their citizens. The Republican Party has no large counterpart in any other free, democratic, industrialized nation. It is an anomaly in modern politics, stuck in a time warp that conservative parties in other free democracies left in the early to mid twentieth century.
Today the Democratic Party is made up of a much broader coalition of political views than the Republican Party. For example, while the Democrats advocate healthcare coverage for all, there are differing policies on how to best achieve that. The Republicans have basically one position, repeal Obamacare.
Oh come on it was a stumble, a kowtow to vested interestsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
partly true . The emperor made a Faustian deal with the insurance industry . However it was built to fail so that the Dems could introduce the next step ;so called universal health care . Yes it is very clever the industry you want out of the process to initially run it . Without mandates ,and with exchanges being poorly designed ,the insurance companies began leaving the exchanges ,and increasing rates .The headlines read insurance industry waging war .
The Dems know the mandate is unconstitutional . Without the mandate there is not enough funding for it . The emperor urged his party to campaign on blaming the Repubs . for the failure /partial repeal .
They are now poised to introduce the next step. They lie about it calling it "Medicare for all " . When in fact Medicare is an earned entitlement . What they really mean is 'Medicaid for all 'which is a government funded entity .
The next Fabian step is documented here .
Plan to Protect and Build on Obamacare | Joe Biden
Yes Tom I live in one such economy, and it didn't bring the economic disaster the conservatives in your nation thinks it would, rather it has reigned in the excesses of capitalism while allowing it to prosper. I agree that your nation appears to be stuck in a time warpQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
[QUOTE=tomder55;3870358]partly true . The emperor made a Faustian deal with the insurance industry . However it was built to fail so that the Dems could introduce the next step ;so called universal health care . Yes it is very clever the industry you want out of the process to initially run it . Without mandates ,and with exchanges being poorly designed ,the insurance companies began leaving the exchanges ,and increasing rates .The headlines read insurance industry waging war .[/QOUTE]
That's not even half true. The biggest impediment for health care is repubs refusing to expand medicaid and having half baked plans instead that results in closed hospital in mainly rural areas. The popularity of the ACA has grown steadily despite Repubs best shenanigans and court failures.
Tell SCOTUS how they missed that and upheld the law for a 3rd time recently and Obama has been gone what 4/5 years now? The law survives!Quote:
The Dems know the mandate is unconstitutional . Without the mandate there is not enough funding for it . The emperor urged his party to campaign on blaming the Repubs . for the failure /partial repeal .
You may not like it but it's the next logical step in making us like every other civilized country in the friggin' world. You trying to be a nog head all your life?Quote:
They are now poised to introduce the next step. They lie about it calling it "Medicare for all " . When in fact Medicare is an earned entitlement . What they really mean is 'Medicaid for all 'which is a government funded entity .
The next Fabian step is documented here .
Plan to Protect and Build on Obamacare | Joe Biden
Yes but you don't always take the logical pathQuote:
You may not like it but it's the next logical step in making us like every other civilized country in the friggin' world. You trying to be a nog head all your life?
Roberts created created his own version of language to invent a constitutional premiseQuote:
Tell SCOTUS how they missed that
The most recent case was decided on so called "standing " . BTW ,the biggest objection to Barrett was that she would be the vote to kill Obamacare .BUT she was part of the majority that voted against standing in the case .They did NOT rule on the constitutionality of the law.
who doesn't, Trump had his own version of language
As the so called final arbiters on what is constitutional law ,a Chief Justice changing the clear wording of the law to give it a rationale for legitimacy is a much bigger issue .
What wording did Roberts change?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
He changed "mandate " to "tax" . He changed Obamacare from the unconstitutional idea of forcing people to purchase health insurance or pay a penalty ,to a tax for not purchasing health insurance . There are plenty of taxes for behavior . Only one for not engaging in economic activity . In every other instance that is called a penalty except in the twisted logic of Chief Justice Roberts .
Thanks/Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
but it was a convenient decision
yes guaranteed to insure Roberts place in the swamp cocktail circuit .
That penalty amounts to "0" so whatever you call it no harm comes of it so the mandate is null and void. Repubs did that. States can run the ACA anyway they see fit so what are you righties squawking about? Or is it just squawking you like.
Squawk? admit it tal, the ACA was a mistake, just another camel by a committee trying to breed a thoroughbred horse
no harm ? The emperor said that the plan would cut premiums . Instead premiums have more than doubled in the decade.
We were told that the number of uninsured would drastically reduce and yet we still have the same number uninsured as before the plan . People who do not have the subsidies of the plan can not afford Obamacare .
The emperor sold the plan by saying 'if you like your plan you can keep it ' .(Politifact's lie of the year 2013) That was not true .By adding new mandated coverage ,most people were not able to keep their plans . Instead there were millions of plans completely eliminated as an option.
He also said 'if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor ' . But doctors have either voluntarily or been forced out of many networks due to Obamacare . There are many plans where no doctors are available for specialty care .
Some of the largest networks have quit providing care for Obamacare patients altogether including Aetna and UnitedHealthcare . Some districts offer only one choice of coverage . Those who have no choice but Obamacare now are basically Medicaid patients .
But of course the unstated goal of Obamacare was the universal Medicaidization of American health care . So the first Fabian step has been a success .
This link may be helpful understanding Obamacare (ACA).
It lists 13 myths about the ACA, then gives the truth about them.
https://www.thebalance.com/the-truth...macare-3306075
like I said ;expanded Medicaid ... a Fabian step towards universal care .
I tried the "helpful" link. It claimed, "Obama meant that the ACA itself did not cancel anyone’s plans." Well, Obama said on MANY occasions statements like these. ""If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan." That quote was, in fact, on the White House website. Or again, " Remarks in Fairfax, Va., March 19, 2010: 'If you like your doctor, you’re going to be able to keep your doctor. If you like your plan, keep your plan. I don’t believe we should give government or the insurance companies more control over health care in America. I think it’s time to give you, the American people, more control over your health.' " It is difficult to view the underlined sentence as anything other than a lie. Either that, or he had no clue about what ACA was really about.
So the site linked in post 27 was rather clearly put up by Obama apologists.
https://www.politifact.com/obama-like-health-care-keep/
fm The BalanceQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
3. Obamacare Is Socialized Medicine, Like in Canada
Truth: Not really. In Canada, the government pays most medical bills.3 In the United Kingdom, doctors are employees of the federal government.4 That's similar to America's Medicare and Medicaid. The ACA does expand Medicaid to middle-income families, but most of the expansion is in the private insurance market.
Why do many Americans think the ACA is socialized medicine? President Barack Obama’s initial proposal included universal health care. Congress rejected this proposal, preferring one based on America's health insurance model. Ironically, Obamacare now forces Congress onto the private exchanges, just like everyone else. So, in that particular case, the ACA reduced socialized medicine.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Kind of hard to explain this from such a wonderfully neutral and balanced site. I imagine what is posted above is simply one lib website bragging on another lib website.
I'll add this. Trying to conjure up what "Obama meant" as opposed to what he said on more than two dozen occasions is practically the very definition of bias. How would they know what Obama "meant"? Wouldn't that have to based on statements from Obama? And if they had those statements, shouldn't they have listed them? And since they didn't list them, then why should we not think they simply pulled the "Obama meant" narrative out of thin air?Quote:
I tried the "helpful" link. It claimed, "Obama meant that the ACA itself did not cancel anyone’s plans." Well, Obama said on MANY occasions statements like these. ""If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan." That quote was, in fact, on the White House website. Or again, " Remarks in Fairfax, Va., March 19, 2010: 'If you like your doctor, you’re going to be able to keep your doctor. If you like your plan, keep your plan. I don’t believe we should give government or the insurance companies more control over health care in America. I think it’s time to give you, the American people, more control over your health.' " It is difficult to view the underlined sentence as anything other than a lie. Either that, or he had no clue about what ACA was really about.
My autistic son bought ACA health insurance. It was everything Obama had said it would be -- including affordable. Then Trump wandered into the picture. The cost doubled and the coverage was laughable, so we found our son an expensive but better plan with BC/BS.
We had this debate years ago and all your right wing talking points were debunked with facts copy and pasted from the actual bill and fact is more people have more coverage than ever before and the popularity of the ACA has grown and is here to stay despite all the fringer misinformation and shenanigans.
Still waiting for the repub plan...but nobody not even you is holding their breath.
Trump, like a reverse Midas, turns everything he touches into dog excrement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Those who oppose Obamacare simply dislike it because it's Obama's. Trump promised a plan for 4 years and never delivered the smallest inkling of one.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The Balance is an excellent and very highly rated fair website. Naturally, the fringe right-wing objects to anything that is accurate and fair.
That Trump failed to deliver is not the fault of Trump but the demonrat opposition who opposed everything he tried to do. When a country is divided it isn't possible to bring forward reform. Even now they are reaping what they have sown and Biden will find it is very hard to do anything. Being president is really being a figurehead and a mouthpiece and Biden hasn't been successfull in either so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
You can't be serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
True, as long as McConnell plays obstructionist and says the hell with the country.Quote:
Biden will find it is very hard to do anything.
Being president is far more than that. Here's a short list of Biden's successes so far.Quote:
Being president is really being a figurehead and a mouthpiece and Biden hasn't been successfull in either so far
Provided $1.9 trillion of relief to the American economy.
Increased federal minimum wage to $15/hr.
Restored funding to veterans programs that had been cut under Trump.
Money to the airline industry saving thousands of airline jobs.
Started process to remove Postmaster Louis DeJoy.
Revoked a Trump order that suspended federal funds from going to purported “anarchist jurisdictions.” Included were New York City, Portland and Seattle.
Returned the United States to the Paris Climate Accord.
Invoked the Defense Production Act to accelerate vaccine development, securing 200 million extra doses of vaccine for a total of 300 million available vaccine doses by July 2021.
I love this one.
BARRED Donald Trump from receiving intelligence briefings, citing his erratic behavior and the possible danger to U.S. Security. !!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a sampling. There are more.
I am indeed serious, a house divided cannot prosper
It all depends upon your point of view obviously your point of view follows the demonrats and Biden
My "serious" comment referred to your finding Trump faultless.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
My point of view follows the FACTS as I've laid them out above. Each statement I bolded is a FACT!!Quote:
It all depends upon your point of view obviously your point of view follows the demonrats and Biden
When did I say he was without fault, but not everything he did was bad and he was hamstrung by a hostile congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
yes facts from your perspectiveQuote:
My point of view follows the FACTS as I've laid them out above. Each statement I bolded is a FACT!!
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