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  • May 22, 2021, 05:37 AM
    tomder55
    Quid is the Putin stooge
    Quote:

    The US also lifted sanctions on the executive - an ally of Russia's Vladimir Putin - who leads the firm behind the Nord Stream 2 project.


    The move came in a report on Russian sanctions delivered to Congress by the Department of State.


    Critics say the pipeline is a major geopolitical prize for the Kremlin.


    Nord Stream 2: Biden waives US sanctions on Russian pipeline - BBC News

    Matthias Warnig is a former East Germany spy and Putin crony who the State Dept will admit to Congress is engaged in sanctionable activities . Still they will recommend that sanctions on him and his company be waived .

    Sec State Blinken stated in testimony during confirmation that "I am determined to do whatever we can to prevent that completion" of Nord Stream 2."

    These recommendations put the lie to that statement . The completion of Nord Stream 2 would be a major political win for Putin and would increase his leverage in Western Europe . As Putin has shown many times ;he has no problem cutting off energy supply to nations for political leverage .
  • May 22, 2021, 08:48 AM
    Curlyben
    Another example of US policy sticking it's nose into something that really doesn't concern them.
    America are not the World Police and really should get their own house in order before pointing fingers at others.
  • May 22, 2021, 02:40 PM
    paraclete
    The US should stop this cold war policy of sanctioning other nations
  • May 23, 2021, 01:56 AM
    tomder55
    One has to wonder what Putin has on Quid pro Joe . The administration's stated in February that it's policy was that Nord Stream 2 is a "bad deal "because it exposes Ukraine and Central Europe . His mouthpiece Jen Psaki also stated that any new pipeline carrying fossil fuel in Europe “goes against Europe’s own stated energy and security goals.” Domestically he stopped the construction of the XL extension because of his energy goals . Quid is rejoining the Paris accords, which the pipeline runs counter to it's goals .

    And this comes shortly after the Russians are accused of a cyber-attack on a US pipeline that caused gas shortages throughout much of the US.

    Do these waivers have anything to do with Sec State Blinken meeting with his Ruskie counterpart Sergey Lavrov in Iceland ?

    And what does the 5th column ....oops I mean 4th estate report about ? The lead was that the US does not want to buy Greenland .

    What Blinken is doing in Iceland is the equivalent of the emperor and Evita's "reset" effort . Waiving sanctions on a former Stasi agent and Putin crony is a small step in that effort .

    Quote:

    “Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin can reinvigorate U.S.-Russia relations that have been in a deep freeze for years.”
    Biden Has a Second Chance at Russia Reset - Bloomberg

    What would all the TDS sufferers have bellowed if it was Trump waiving these sanctions ? We are still told the lie that Trump was a Russian asset . As such Trump must've been a disappointment to the Kremlin.
  • May 23, 2021, 09:23 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post




    What would all the TDS sufferers have bellowed if it was Trump waiving these sanctions ? We are still told the lie that Trump was a Russian asset . As such Trump must've been a disappointment to the Kremlin.

    All American presidents are a disappointment to the Kremlin, for cyber attacks I would look to the Chinese.
  • May 23, 2021, 09:34 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    One has to wonder what Putin has on Quid pro Joe .

    What would all the TDS sufferers have bellowed if it was Trump waiving these sanctions ? We are still told the lie that Trump was a Russian asset .

    Typical right-wing reversal strategy. Whatever is charged against Trump, turn it around and charge the same thing against Biden. From the playbook of Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn.
  • May 24, 2021, 02:32 AM
    tomder55
    ok then how do you explain that only a couple of months ago Quid's position was that the pipeline was against US policy ;that it was bad both for strategic and environmental reasons ? Quid is keeping sanctions on all other entities involved in the pipeline construction ,including 13 Russian ships , EXCEPT for Putin's crony .
    You know and I know that if this were Trump ,every Dem from Madam Mim to Adam Schiff-head to All Out Crazy would be screaming from the highest roof top that this is proof that Trump is Putin's poodle .
    Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, (Dem NH) said, “Completion of this pipeline poses a threat to U.S. security interests and the stability of our partners in the region.”

    Jen Psaki said
    "The Biden Administration has been clear that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline is a Russian geopolitical project that threatens European energy security and that of Ukraine and eastern flank NATO Allies and partners,” “We continue to examine entities involved in potentially sanctionable activity and have made it clear that companies risk sanctions if they are involved in Nord Stream 2.”

    Assuming that she is stating Quid's policies accurately , the contradiction needs more explanation .
  • May 24, 2021, 04:26 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    What would all the TDS sufferers have bellowed if it was Trump waiving these sanctions ?[/Q We are still told the lie that Trump was a Russian asset . As such Trump must've been a disappointment to the Kremlin.

    The sanctions were in the planning stages and Trump did nothing to withdraw them. They were a threat to make Germany buy US "fracked" gas.

    During Trump's administration the pipeline reached 90% completion.

    Trump ruined the relationship between the US and its NATO allies, especially Germany.

    Dropping the never-implemented plan for sanctions is a move by Biden to restore good relations with our NATO allies, especially Germany.
  • May 24, 2021, 05:07 AM
    tomder55
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    They were a threat to make Germany buy US "fracked" gas.
    lol and here I thought Merkel got rid of nukes so Germany could go totally green .

    Germany will be forever beholden to Russian energy . As you know ,the Russians have no problem cutting off their energy supply as a political bludgeon .

    Frankly Germany would indeed be better off with American fracked natural gas . I propose that il duce end his moratoriums on fracking in NY and his effective bans on pipeline construction . Then NYS gas could be piped to Europe under the Atlantic to the continent .
  • May 24, 2021, 05:33 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    lol and here I thought Merkel got rid of nukes so Germany could go totally green

    ??? Merkel refused to buy the fracked gas.

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    Germany will be forever beholden to Russian energy . As you know ,the Russians have no problem cutting off their energy supply as a political bludgeon
    With restored and improved relations between the US and NATO, Germany has a formidable defense against any Russian bludgeons.

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    Frankly Germany would indeed be better off with American fracked natural gas . I propose that il duce end his moratoriums on fracking in NY and his effective bans on pipeline construction . Then NYS gas could be piped to Europe under the Atlantic to the continent .
    I'm sure all parties involved will immediately drop everything and consider your proposal.
  • May 24, 2021, 11:04 AM
    talaniman
    I must say after the last 4 years I can give old Joe plenty of running room to clean up the mess YOU guys made of things and build back better...without the help of conservatives who screwed the whole world up, and still holler about what a great job they did!

    What a fine job they did of screwing things up and making a huge mess!
  • May 24, 2021, 02:33 PM
    paraclete
    Your opinion, what should they have done in the face of aggression?
  • May 25, 2021, 12:11 PM
    talaniman
    Could you be more specific? What should WHO have done against WHOM's aggression?
  • May 25, 2021, 02:27 PM
    paraclete
    where have you been we are discussing the withdrawal of sanctions
  • May 25, 2021, 03:32 PM
    talaniman
    We ramble through many subjects on this forum Clete. Sanctions are most effective when you have allies that honor them.
  • May 25, 2021, 03:47 PM
    tomder55
    as I recall that is what doomed the UN sponsored Oil for Food program. Too many on the take including the UN Sec General's family .Whatever happened to Kojo ? Probably the same as Hunter .
  • Jun 1, 2021, 02:56 AM
    tomder55
    https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...1d&oe=60D9A778
  • Jun 1, 2021, 06:17 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    We ramble through many subjects on this forum Clete. Sanctions are most effective when you have allies that honor them.

    Do your own dirty work, if you impose sanctions why should we follow you?
  • Jun 1, 2021, 09:01 AM
    tomder55
    well let's put it this way . Maybe the Iraq war doesn't happen if entities like AWB wasn't violating the provisions .
  • Jun 1, 2021, 09:30 PM
    paraclete
    Your sanctions are good for your business not ours, being allies doesn't mean we slavishly follow your lead and in any case saddam was a master at getting around your sanctions, Food should not be subject to sanctions
  • Jun 2, 2021, 09:54 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Your sanctions are good for your business not ours, being allies doesn't mean we slavishly follow your lead and in any case saddam was a master at getting around your sanctions, Food should not be subject to sanctions

    Food and medicines weren't sanctioned but the sale of oil was...except for food and medicine. Cash under the table was the deal breaker, but still insufficient as an excuse to invade Iraq.
  • Jun 15, 2021, 09:01 PM
    paraclete
    This is the day we will really see if quid is a Putin stooge, he has already backed off on his rhetoric
  • Jun 16, 2021, 02:11 AM
    tomder55
    He is . That long pause in his presser was very unnerving . The fact that he will not have a joint presser with Putin shows how concerned the US is of his feebleness . Plus he has already demonstrated in G 7 ,EU ,and NATO meetings ;and his caving in about Nord Stream 2 , that he will defer to European interests .


    Also NATO made a terriblly childish ,ill considered blunder declaring both Russia and China enemies. There is no reason the 2 nations should be allied but NATO looking for relevance is almost forcing them to be allies. Russia may be a concern of NATO because it expanded up to the Russian border ;territory it cannot defend . But there is zero reason for NATO to expand into the Pacific . It doesn't have the resources (the Taliban is defeating it ) ;nor the desire to put in the money to become a global force. Growing the NATO mission into a new cold war is in no one's interest .

    The strategic imperative should be for Quid to do like Nixon ,a dividing of Russia from China . They have rivalries of their own that are ripe for exploiting .Yet NATO is going to force them together .

    And what should the Aussie position be about this ? They have sharp differences with China . But as far as I can tell do not have issues with Russia . The Aussies will of course choose the NATO block . But why should they have to ?

    And what happens with the central Asian states(the 'Stans' ,Azerbaijan ) that would like to create their own block of influence because they sit in the middle of the trade east west trade route ? Will they have to choose ;and which side would they choose ?
    And how will the Pacific 'Quad' deal with NATO forcing Russia into the Chinese arms ?
  • Jun 16, 2021, 04:55 AM
    tomder55
    Biden's pause when asked if he would call Putin a killer ..

    Joe Biden answers awkwardly when asked about calling Vladimir Putin a ‘killer’ (news.com.au)
  • Jun 16, 2021, 06:05 AM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post




    And what should the Aussie position be about this ? They have sharp differences with China . But as far as I can tell do not have issues with Russia . The Aussies will of course choose the NATO block . But why should they have to ?

    I can't speak for scomo but my take is use Russia to keep China occupied. China has already signaled that Siberia is traditionally Chinese and they want the resources. All that stops them is Russia's nuclear arsenal. China and Russia share a long border and Russia will not benefit from China's belt and road, it just becomes a vast chinese rail yard. As to NATO its purpose is to contain Russia, it is just an american proxy

    As I said before Biden has backed off on his rhetoric, what you can say when a candidate for domestic consumption doesn't fly in diplomacy
  • Jun 16, 2021, 06:12 AM
    jlisenbe
    My gosh that video was a complete embarrassment. It's really rather sad to see Biden close his eyes in an attempt to concentrate and try to say something intelligent. And he's even learned to laugh awkwardly like his VP. What a sad day for America. If he tries a joint PC with Putin, it will be the political equivalent of losing a football game 56-0.
  • Jun 16, 2021, 08:52 AM
    tomder55
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    . As to NATO its purpose is to contain Russia, it is just an american proxy

    As I said before Biden has backed off on his rhetoric, what you can say when a candidate for domestic consumption doesn't fly in diplomacy
    Russia is a gas station with an Army. A combined united Europe could easily contain Russia if it had any testicular fortitude and the will to fund their common defense . NATO was formed by the ravaged remains of western Europe to contain a Soviet Empire that doesn't exist anymore . Quid is a cold war relic .


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    And he's even learned to laugh awkwardly like his VP.
    Kam the Sham was in my part of South Carolina this weekend. They kept her appearances a big secret .But somehow word got out and people lined the motorcade route carrying the American flag ; MAGA signs and other clever signs like 'the border is that way ' . We did not have a good discussion of her disastrous road trip to the triangle nations .
    Love how when asked about going to the border her reply was that she had never been to Europe either .
    Elvis Presley Never Been To Spain 1972 HD Live - YouTube

    The White House was deeply concerned about some of her responses . CNN White House correspondent Jeremy Diamond said. “It’s left some of the administration officials perplexed, and the vice president’s team frustrated.” This is not good . An incompetent who was selected to check off the pc boxes is backing up a feeble President
  • Jun 16, 2021, 09:19 AM
    jlisenbe
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    other clever signs like 'the border is that way '
    That made me laugh. Over eighty days now and she's still in charge of a border she has not bothered to inspect.
  • Jun 16, 2021, 04:01 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    That made me laugh. Over eighty days now and she's still in charge of a border she has not bothered to inspect.

    What's to see? refugees climbing fences? swimming rivers?
  • Jun 16, 2021, 04:41 PM
    tomder55
    Democrat Rep Henry Cuellar thinks it is important that Kam the Sham visit the border . His district has 300 miles of border at risk . He sent her a letter today urging her to visit to find out the facts .

    I encourage you to join me and other Members of Congress, while we visit with the people on the ground who deal with these issues every day," "I believe it is critical that you meet with local stakeholders and residents, consider their concerns, and use their lived experiences to implement more effective policies."
    Cuellar requests VP Harris to visit southern border (kgns.tv)
  • Jun 16, 2021, 05:40 PM
    paraclete
    What a world you live in, the internet is not to be believed, the public servants are not to be believed, you must visit to see for yourself and what would she see? a river? a fence? camps? desperate people, surely she is surrounded by those in Washington?
  • Jun 16, 2021, 06:36 PM
    jlisenbe
    The internet is not to be believed? Really? So you believe everything you see on the web?
  • Jun 16, 2021, 07:04 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The internet is not to be believed? Really? So you believe everything you see on the web?

    Twist and shout. Is this your new behavior?
  • Jun 16, 2021, 07:13 PM
    paraclete
    No, I'm just wondering what is going on, politicians are condemned if they do and condemned if they don't, maybe Joe is right, the media have nothing positive to say, pity politicians have adopted the same attitude
  • Jun 16, 2021, 07:27 PM
    jlisenbe
    I would agree that being a pol is tough. The press over here, however, is largely supportive of Biden.
  • Jun 16, 2021, 09:11 PM
    paraclete
    Joe's comments before departure don't reflect that, clearly he thinks the media is negative
  • Jun 17, 2021, 04:30 AM
    jlisenbe
    You need look no further than Hunter Biden to see that the press has his back.
  • Jun 18, 2021, 06:29 PM
    paraclete
    side issue, you are fixated on side issues
  • Jun 18, 2021, 06:43 PM
    jlisenbe
    The neglect of the HB hard drive story and the wild speculation about tear gas in Lafayette Square both affected public opinion which affected votes. Hardly a side issue.
  • Jun 18, 2021, 07:00 PM
    paraclete
    It is now, time to move on

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