Keep up the good fight Lori . The children of Chi-town deserve it .
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Keep up the good fight Lori . The children of Chi-town deserve it .
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I think the mayor has done about everything she can do short of ramp up her vaccine supply. That's out of her control unless she takes shots from others to give to the teachers. So far the CDC has said school openings are safe as long as certain guidelines are met and they will issue more in depth guidelines in a week, but the data so far is on her side for now. We'll know more next week.
The teacher's unions do not have the best interests of the children on their agenda .
Essential workers all over the country have been on the job since the beginning . Are teachers essential as they claim or not ?
It is illegal for them to strike . If they persist then I think Mayor Lightfoot should do a Reagan and fire them . Hiring new teachers would not be an issue . New applicants would come in droves . Asked why Chicago’s teachers would threaten to strike now, Quid's chief of staff, Ron Klain, answered, “money.”At least he is honest about their motives .
Unions are resisting opening in Los Angeles, Boston, Cleveland, Philadelphia and Washington. Michael Mulgrew, head of the teachers union in NYC, says the schools may not open until September. UNACCEPTABLE !!!
Private schools are open for business and there is no data suggesting teachers are at a higher risk there . The same is true of the public schools that have reopened .
Parents are supporting these schools with their tax dollars . If their children are not being educated by them then it is theft . Enrollment in California’s public schools has dropped by 155,000 students, . Enrollment in NYC is down 43,000,
The broader subject it that it is well past the time to reevaluate the public school system that has been in place for over a century . Even before the pandemic parents were becoming increasingly unsatisfied with the level of education their children were receiving . They are voting with their feet . Those that can have been taking their childen out of the public system
National School Choice Week
The national associations for private schools and home schooling report significant, recent increases in enrollments . So do Catholic schools which is a big turn around for them as the church had been shutting some of them down. This continues a trend that started almost a generation ago as minority students were being pulled out of inner city public schools using scholarship ,vouchers to send them to charter and private schools .
Given these facts you would think that the party of progressive change would jump aboard the idea of school reform . But no ;they are beholden to the unions that have a vested interest in maintaining status quo where the teachers are in the front of the bus ;and the children in the rear .
Another service to your conservative bonafides? Big biz, capitalism, and small government are the answer? I'm all for reforms in a big way given charter/private schools leave a lot of kids behind. Many parents simply don't have that choice you tout so prominently. Never have, probably never will. I don't blame unions per say for the equity disparagement of poor schools, since the whole blamed society suffers from it.
It is the teacher's unions that most resist change .
No, they just want to be vaccinated in a timely manner for starters. Do the math.
Chicago union signals it won’t accept Chicago Public Schools' ‘final offer’ on reopening (yahoo.com)
I can see both sides of this issue Tom.
...as they are public libraries, community colleges, and state universities. Covid has partially or completely closed many of them with only remote teaching and guarded access.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I would say the same for public colleges that I say about public K-12 . If I was paying tuition for in class education and was only getting a remote education ,I would demand a refund.
That being said ;the K-12 education is far more important than the college education . Adults can get college education any time . K-12 is foundational . You can't get that back . What those children are losing they will not easily get back .
Amazing to me the perception that store shelf stockers are essential but teachers apparently are not . I'm calling on Quid to call out the irresponsible teacher's unions and order them to go back to class. His CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has stated that vaccination should not be a prerequisite to returning to work ;and I agree with the science . Miguel Cardona, Quid's Education Sec promises that schools will be reopened in Quid's first 100 days .
But Quid has also promised a $130 billion ransom payment to the unions . So I have to question where his loyalties lies .....with the parents and children of America ,or his financial donors in the unions . Never mind .I know where his loyalties lie . He has muzzled Walensky and distanced himself from her comments . His press air head Jen Psaki said ;"Dr. Walensky spoke to this in her personal capacity." ie not official policy.
On this I am on the side of many Democrat mayors including Lightfoot and even Sandinista Bill . The Dems who are siding with the unions are siding with rich and powerful Democrat party donors over the interests of the children . The Dems love saying they are doing things "for the children" . Well now is their chance to prove it . Open up the schools !!!
If teacher unions refuse then parents across the country should join in class action suits to take these unions down .
1. More privatization with the use of vouchers.Quote:
I would say the same for public colleges that I say about public K-12 .
2. Return to a married father/mother family structure.
Problem would be largely solved.
Distance learning is full of promise, but as you note, it certainly should be less expensive. It's an area of great potential for the private sector to jump in with innovation and effective services.
It's amazing how generous pols become when we stupidly give them permission to borrow money at will.Quote:
But Quid has also promised a $130 billion ransom payment to the unions
Study after study shows remote learning a failure .
All-remote learning is failing many students all across the country: "These children are struggling" - CBS News
Remote learning a failure on all fronts | Opinion | daily-journal.com (daily-journal.com)
Tom, those links are about distance learning with kids in public schools. I would think that is a poor idea for sure. I was referring to online classes for college students or perhaps a limited group of well-motivated high school students.
Yes they were not a response to your college comments .They were in response to WG's #7 about remote learning .
I agree that on line learning is very viable at the college level . I know someone who completed their masters degree on line . If I were going to college I would probably opt for that myself. A lot of money is wasted in tuition costs on the college environment like sculptured land scaping ,student centers ,and climbing walls on gymnasiums .
To tal #6 I say who is more critical for getting vaccinated .....young and healthy teachers with no preconditions ..... or the elderly who's life is threatened when they get covid ? The Chi-town teachers want to cut in line . If the teachers use the same recommended procedures as the general population then they are no more at risk by being in schools as opposed to every other American who has been deemed essential . Or are their services not essential ?
I disagree. No longer is handwriting, geography, parts of speech (diagramming sentences!), and world/American history adequately taught. Nor are art and music appreciation (seeing/discussing famous art works or listening to/discussing famous musical compositions and being tested on them). Bring back the curriculum from the 1950s!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
can't disagree with that . But both comments aren't mutually exclusive .
It's all being taught in our state. I can't imagine a state where geography and parts of speech are not taught repeatedly. I see posts all the time lamenting what is supposedly not being taught in schools only to find that those subjects actually ARE being taught.Quote:
No longer is handwriting, geography, parts of speech (diagramming sentences!), and world/American history adequately taught. Nor are art and music appreciation (seeing/discussing famous art works or listening to/discussing famous musical compositions and being tested on them).
That is absolutely, positively true, especially in K-8. Kids begin to "branch out" more in high school, but until then the emphasis is on foundational skills, and those are extensive.Quote:
K-12 is foundational . You can't get that back . What those children are losing they will not easily get back .
Where is the Tiber River? the Rhine River? the Pyrenees? the city of Riga? What is the difference between has gone and had gone, and what are the names of their forms? Why can't anyone differentiate between it's and its, or between your and you're?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The great majority of our fifth graders could differentiate in both instances. Pretty basic.Quote:
Why can't anyone differentiate between it's and its, or between your and you're?
As to your geography examples, I imagine the great majority of adults get through life quite well either knowing their locations, or simply looking it up if needed.
The purpose of education is to alert children to the existence of facts and impart basic reading and writing skills any thing else is cultural my facts are not the same as your facts eg; the US system of government is irrelevant to my daily life but your children spend excessive time studying it
Math is cultural???
Couldn't be any more wrong. Most young people in America seem to have no understanding of our government or of the heritage behind it.Quote:
your children spend excessive time studying it
Multi cultural in fact, basic fact 1, 2, many, much
Without looking it up (and I'm trusting you here), what's the difference between has gone and had gone?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why are its/it's and your/you're and there/their/they're almost always mixed up and misused in emails, on websites, and even in edited publications?
The two I VERY specifically referred to were your/you're and its/it's. You MUST learn to read more carefully.Quote:
Without looking it up (and I'm trusting you here), what's the difference between has gone and had gone?
Has gone and had gone are more advanced. I somehow managed to make it 67 years with a master's degree in Educational Leadership without knowing or caring what the difference is. My guess would be that "has gone" refers to a current state of a person who left sometime in the past. "Had gone" would, I guess, refer to the fact that a person left at a point in time in the past with no reference to the current time.
"By the time we got there, it seemed he had gone. To be sure, we asked his wife. She replied, 'He has gone and I don't know when he will return.'"
Why is it that you sometimes make grammatical errors in your posts? It's because people are imperfect. You're capable of making making mistakes like everyone else. That's why we should regularly refer to The Elements of Style by Strunk and White. Its contents are very useful.Quote:
Why are its/it's and your/you're and there/their/they're almost always mixed up and misused in emails, on websites, and even in edited publications?
Nah. Math is universal. 3 x 2 = 6 everywhere in the world. Well perhaps with the exception of the democrat party, but otherwise it is universal.Quote:
Multi cultural in fact, basic fact 1, 2, many, much
You just can't be civil, can you. I'm done with you.Quote:
To jlisenbe
Jl, pc doesnt cut it we all have different perceptions, so what is important to you I might be indifferent to , again culture here we have the culture of the fair go so are more inclined to be reasonable, unlike your martyr Trump but that doesnt stop us from seeing the unfairness embodied in some reports so i give you the basic philosophy for your consideration, no worries mate
I think I can agree with that. My question just involved you leaving out math, but I figured it was just an oversight anyway. Not a big deal.Quote:
Jl, pc doesnt cut it we all have different perceptions, so what is important to you I might be indifferent to , again culture here we have the culture of the fair go so are more inclined to be reasonable, unlike your martyr Trump but that doesnt stop us from seeing the unfairness embodied in some reports so i give you the basic philosophy for your consideration, no worries mate.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but coming from someone who once that it was just hilarious to post a picture of cow manure (or whatever the source animal was) in what I guess you thought was a hilarious support of a suggestion concerning a person having their head up Trump's rear end, it just doesn't carry much weight. I consider that you set a very low standard on that day which makes you an unreliable judge of such matters.Quote:
You just can't be civil, can you
Unfortunate, but your choice. Probably for the best, and I do wish you well.Quote:
I'm done with you.
I don't think the importance of environment and balanced activities should be discounted or dismissed as part of a student experience on any educational level. The social interactions are as crucial to development as the scholastic. We can debate the budgetary considerations but the unique individual needs should be assessed and addressed. At least I think an awareness and balanced approach helps all students and not just exceptional ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Even hard and fast rules need adjustments as more data is being presented and no doubt we already have seen the inequity and higher numbers in minority communities than less diverse ones that have been disturbing for a long time even pre covid. I don't think that taking a hard line does anyone any good especially not the students everybody claims to be so concerned about when many of the very categories of priority may well indeed overlap justifying some teachers being up graded in those vaccination lines.Quote:
To tal #6 I say who is more critical for getting vaccinated .....young and healthy teachers with no preconditions ..... or the elderly who's life is threatened when they get covid ? The Chi-town teachers want to cut in line . If the teachers use the same recommended procedures as the general population then they are no more at risk by being in schools as opposed to every other American who has been deemed essential . Or are their services not essential ?
Fact is those teachers in higher risk schools of Chicago with other high risk factors and conditions cannot just be lumped into a general broader conversation because their needs are different and in many cases more critical.
If the individual teachers fall in the risk groups then of course they deserve the same priority as any other person in high risk groups being prioritized now . But most of them aren't .More than 2/3 in fact are not .Quote:
Fact is those teachers in higher risk schools of Chicago with other high risk factors and conditions cannot just be lumped into a general broader conversation because their needs are different and in many cases more critical.
It would seem to me though after all this time what's the all fired hurry with these artificial deadlines? The Chicago School system is HUGE. Get it done sure enough but get it right. All the other stuff is politically motivated hype and handwringing...on both sides.
The teacher's unions are recalcitrant .Other essential workers, both unionized and non-unionized, accepted the risks of working outside their homes a long time ago . It's been 11 months. Lots of people , including teachers at some public and most private schools ,have gone back to work. They have run out of excuses .
Walmart workers are at work. Many restaurants still remain open. Liquor store workers even go to work. So I don't see why a 34 year old teacher can't go. But the simple answer is to tell them, "No work, no pay," or at least let distance learning be paid at a lower rate. I imagine they'd see the light fairly quickly then. The sad reality is that the group for which schools exist is the group that is getting hurt the most, and that is the students.Quote:
If the individual teachers fall in the risk groups then of course they deserve the same priority as any other person in high risk groups being prioritized now . But most of them aren't .More than 2/3 in fact are not .
I was always deliriously happy that I never had to deal with a teachers' union, either as a parent, a teacher or a principal.
You obviously have read little about the issues Chicago is attempting to bridge so maybe I overlook your lack of facts and biases concerning this rather large cash strapped metropolis concerning it's schools because fact is as much as Chi town has done there is more to do for the safety of those teachers that aren't 34 years old and healthy with no issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The essentials label is an arbitrary one at best and amazing that the right is now so concerned with inner city kids when they sure weren't before.
I am tired of this claim that I speak with no facts to back me up . Maybe Mayor Lightfoot lacks those facts too ?Quote:
You obviously have read little about the issues Chicago is attempting to bridge so maybe I overlook your lack of facts and biases concerning this rather large cash strapped metropolis concerning it's schools because fact is as much as Chi town has done there is more to do for the safety of those teachers that aren't 34 years old and healthy with no issues.
Tom's posts are more fact-based than anyone on here. I think it's funny that Chicago is a "cash strapped metropolis", but there is "more to do" in the way of spending money for safety. That's just typical lib thinking. "Budget not balanced? Great! Let's spend more money."
Only 6,000 jobs added in January. Thank you, Joe Biden. The dems are clueless as to how to encourage a healthy economy, but at least they're good at destroying high paying pipeline jobs and impeaching a president who is not even in office. Reassuring.
Chicago Public Schools, Teachers Union Reach Tentative Agreement to Reopen, Mayor Says (yahoo.com)Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The process continues as well it should.
now you know they have to be beholding to their funders, Canadian oil will continue on the less save route making Buffett money and there will be more jobs lost in the energy sector, autos will have stringent standards applied and Tesla will boom along with bitcoin. No need for real jobs just sit on your duff and mine bitcoinQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Now our idiot pres has decided that schools reopening means smaller numbers in the classrooms (where do the others go?) and reworked ventilation systems. In the meantime, in the world of reality, a study comes out of North Carolina where 90,000 students/teachers were followed. They found the grand total of 32 Covid cases. So much for the grand claims of liberal dems in "following the science".
"...they found about 30 times fewer school-related cases than anticipated."
https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-car...wing-the-3-ws/
be thankful for small mercies
Why is there even negotiations ? Get your a$$ back to work or get fired . The mayor had done all they asked . The fact that they keep moving the goal post means that they are not serious about negotiations .Quote:
Chicago Public Schools, Teachers Union Reach Tentative Agreement to Reopen, Mayor Says (yahoo.com)
The process continues as well it should.
Well now the pressure is on them because even Quid is balking ....and no one sucks up to unions more than he .
Negotiations are how compromise is reached. This is still America not Russia.
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