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  • Jan 14, 2021, 04:03 PM
    Athos
    Trump Reported to Cheat Giuliani
    This is classic Trump. When he doesn’t like something, he stops the check. He just refuses to pay you for pure spite.

    Giuliani charging $20,000 a DAY for his services is pretty pathetic especially since Trump has nothing to show for it other than the signal honor of being the ONLY SITTING PRESIDENT to be Impeached TWICE!

    Trump cares not a whit what trouble Giuliani might be in.

    He didn’t win the election for Trump.
    He didn't get a single State to stop the vote count.
    He didn't get a single election official to stop the certification.
    He didn't get a single State vote count to find more votes for Trump.
    He didn't get a single State to declare Biden's votes invalid.
    He didn't get Congress to overturn the election.

    It’s pathetically, embarrassingly, much much simpler: When Trump is Unhappy— He just doesn’t Pay you. Nothing more complicated than that.

    Ask the hundreds of contractors and small businesses that have had the misfortune of thinking that Trump Inc was the Big Ticket. Ask the Banks that got shafted when Trump refused to pay them and argued that it was THEIR FAULT for lending him the money in the first place.
  • Jan 14, 2021, 05:35 PM
    paraclete
    classic Trump when he fails, you fail
  • Jan 14, 2021, 07:00 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    classic Trump when he fails, you fail

    Just those who believe and follow this fool. The rest of us shake our heads and say told you so.
  • Jan 14, 2021, 10:39 PM
    paraclete
    Tal you may have noticed Trump failed and now your nation has decended into chaos but I hope this will be short lived. Wake up america the world needs you
  • Jan 15, 2021, 06:37 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    the world needs you
    finally admitting it ?
  • Jan 15, 2021, 07:45 AM
    talaniman
    The dufus was dumped and the power has shifted slightly to a more reasonable approach but our battles are never over. The volume has been dialed down somewhat, but still a ways to go with covid still ravaging the land.
  • Jan 15, 2021, 01:30 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    finally admitting it ?

    I said the world, I wasn't referring to any thing I need
  • Jan 15, 2021, 09:26 PM
    talaniman
    Hermits don't need much but you're nation needs commerce like everybody else. Call us! We have better prices than the roos.
  • Jan 16, 2021, 05:27 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Hermits don't need much but you're nation needs commerce like everybody else. Call us! We have better prices than the roos.

    What are you talking about? roos eat grass and you can't out bid the Chinese. We learned to live without "commerce" as your multinationals have steadily withdrawn leaving us a post industrial wasteland, any of this familiar? We do what we have done for centuries
  • Jan 16, 2021, 06:34 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Wake up america the world needs you
    The truth finally comes out. It is refreshing.
  • Jan 16, 2021, 01:36 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    What are you talking about? roos eat grass and you can't out bid the Chinese. We learned to live without "commerce" as your multinationals have steadily withdrawn leaving us a post industrial wasteland, any of this familiar? We do what we have done for centuries

    Well geez, you can't call us, the Chinese or the roos so who you gonna call? Exactly what have you done for centuries beside walk with the big dog through the neighborhood?
  • Jan 26, 2021, 06:03 AM
    tomder55
    Dominion is suing Rudy for defamation .The $1.3 billion complaint claims that Rudy , Sidney Powell, Russell Ramsland, L. Lin Wood, Mike Lindell, Patrick Byrne, Lou Dobbs, Fox News, Fox Business, Newsmax, One America News Network, and The Epoch Times peddled " defamatory falsehoods”.

    Yes Dominion has deep pockets and your typical accused would get scared off by the amount and try to settle . But Rudy is a accomplished public attorney and knows all the tricks of the trade .

    All I have to say to Dominion is be careful what you wish for . Discovery is a B+tch. Rudy says that this is going to allow him to investigate Dominion “fully and completely " ;something that he was not given a chance to do during the post election challenges .
  • Jan 26, 2021, 07:56 AM
    talaniman
    I wonder how much of that is bluster to cover his own butt, since he made some serious allegations with no show of evidence. Countersuits are a typical delay tactic and I doubt he has a strong case to open up the company books as he claims, but we'll see. Given his performance during the dufus years, I ain't betting on his horse.
  • Jan 26, 2021, 09:38 AM
    tomder55
    Discovery baby! Dominion just bought themselves ton of trouble . For Dominion to prevail they will have to allow access to the machines and programing and source code used in the election for forensic examination . If the don't then their case will be dismissed and it will give added weight to the claims made against them.
  • Jan 26, 2021, 10:26 AM
    talaniman
    You're a lousy lawyer, and not very astute on the law since Rudy would have to prove he knew those things for FACT when he made those allegations. If he cannot then his countersuit will be dismissed and no discovery granted and judgement for the plaintiff.

    Why are you even listening to a guy with his track record of failure just this year?
  • Jan 26, 2021, 12:53 PM
    tomder55
    Rudy is an accomplished lawyer ,prosecutor ,mayor ,and civil servant . Do not underestimate him despite his inclination to theatrics . I can show you photos of him where he buffonishly dressed up as a biker to go on a sting . Still he got the job done over and over .
    Discovery is what a presiding judge allows . Now I admit that filing in the DC Circus was a good move by Dominion because they will probably assign the case to that clown Sullivan .
    But Federal rules are clear . "Parties may obtain discovery regarding any nonprivileged matter that is relevant to any party's claim or defense.
    For Rudy to be denied discovery request Dominion would have to prove that the request is not relevant
  • Jan 26, 2021, 02:05 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    For Dominion to prevail they will have to allow access to the machines and programing and source code used in the election for forensic examination .

    Access to whom?
  • Jan 26, 2021, 02:19 PM
    tomder55
    to whoever represents Rudy. Discovery is the pretrial phase when BOTH sides are permitted to investigate the facts by obtaining evidence from the other side including physical evidence, answers to inquiries depositions ,producing documents . In this case I would assume the voting machines being subject to forensic examination would be more than reasonable as well as examination of programing and source code and other e-discovery . They claim that the machines were not hooked up to the net. There is already an expert who proved that false by hacking into them during a hearing .
    Dominion may try to say some of the stuff deposed is protected under something like trade secrets . A judge like Sullivan may even buy into that line of manure .
  • Jan 26, 2021, 03:32 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    But Rudy is a accomplished public attorney and knows all the tricks of the trade .

    Tom, why do you insist on being on the wrong side of every legal issue discussed here? To make matters worse, you are jumping on the bandwagon of a trio of the biggest buffoons ever to inhabit the world of jurisprudence.

    Rudy is second only in his buffoonery to the buffoon-in-chief now happily departed, the nutty-as-a-fruitcake Sidney Powell who promotes bizarre QANON and sees commies under every bed, and the certifiable Lin Wood who routinely calls for assassination of those he dislikes.

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    from Tomder - Discovery baby! Dominion just bought themselves ton of trouble . For Dominion to prevail they will have to allow access to the machines and programing and source code used in the election for forensic examination . If the don't then their case will be dismissed and it will give added weight to the claims made against them.
    News Flash, Tom. Dominion has already provided all the information - that you think will reveal so much chicanery - to the officials who use their machines - codes and all. There's nothing new for Rudy to discover!

    Your support of Rudy who has clearly become unhinged over the last several years is troubling.

    (NOTE: The networks are already backtracking and withdrawing/apologizing for their false reporting re Dominion).
  • Jan 27, 2021, 11:43 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Well geez, you can't call us, the Chinese or the roos so who you gonna call? Exactly what have you done for centuries beside walk with the big dog through the neighborhood?

    Tal sometimes big dogs attract unwarranted attention so maybe in future we will run with the pack
  • Jan 28, 2021, 04:23 AM
    talaniman
    Cool the pack forms behind us like it always has. You already knew that though.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 06:15 AM
    jlisenbe
    https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=SLq87lceKlQC7A
  • Jan 28, 2021, 07:51 AM
    tomder55
    Biden : I want to vaccinate 1million people a day in the first 100 days

    ummmm Trump had already achieved that before he left office

    Biden ... make that 1.5 million

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/polit...ion/index.html
  • Jan 28, 2021, 08:24 AM
    jlisenbe
    I suppose it beats forgetting where he is.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 09:40 AM
    jlisenbe
    I thought this was amusing. "I think with the grace of God, the goodwill of the neighbor and the creek not rising, as the old saying goes, I think we may be able to get that to 1.5 million a day, rather than 1 million a day," he said.

    So we are going to allow boys who think they are girls to go into girls restrooms and compete against girls, and we are going to applaud 900,000 humans lost a year to abortion, and yet we depend on God for help?

    And there is no assurance at all in his statement. "We may be able..."
  • Jan 28, 2021, 10:15 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So we are going to allow boys who think they are girls to go into girls restrooms and compete against girls

    Have you ever read up on the science behind that? Those boys ARE girls. If you haven't researched this (apparently, you haven't), thank God your mother didn't take DES or another estrogen-laced drug during her pregnancy with you to e.g., prevent a miscarriage.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 11:04 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Have you ever read up on the science behind that? Those boys ARE girls. If you haven't researched this (apparently, you haven't), thank God your mother didn't take DES or another estrogen-laced drug during her pregnancy with you to e.g., prevent a miscarriage.
    I have read up on it. Those boys have XY chromosomes, male sex organs, and are in every way male. In what way do you conclude they are girls? And I can hardly wait to hear your answer. Please do not link to another website that proves to be a waste of time. Just explain in your own words how you conclude they are girls.

    Might add that the practice of using DES ended back in the 70's, so the boys being talked about now certainly do not fall into that category. You need a much more current explanation.

    You might want to look at the CDC info on DES. No mention is made of it producing any kind of gender confusion.

    https://www.cdc.gov/des/consumers/ab...ects_sons.html
  • Jan 28, 2021, 11:22 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I have read up on it. Those boys have XY chromosomes, male sex organs, and are in every way male.

    Nope, they have "broken" chromosomes that make males actually female. Since you refuse to read any of my links, I won't post any.

    And you've checked with each transgender individual to find if somehow the fetus hadn't been bathed in excess estrogen, either naturally or medically?
  • Jan 28, 2021, 12:17 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Nope, they have "broken" chromosomes that make males actually female. Since you refuse to read any of my links, I won't post any.

    And you've checked with each transgender individual to find if somehow the fetus hadn't been bathed in excess estrogen, either naturally or medically?
    No. There is nothing on the web to support those wild ideas. It's just wild conjecture. If there were “broken chromosomes” being found in trans people, it would be on the front page of every news site in the country.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 12:45 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    No. There is nothing on the web to support those wild ideas. It's just wild conjecture. If there were “broken chromosomes” being found in trans people, it would be on the front page of every news site in the country.

    https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/02...ogically-male/

    Skip past any ads and scroll down to:
    No, Trans Women Are NOT ‘Biologically Male’
  • Jan 28, 2021, 01:11 PM
    jlisenbe
    THAT is your weak as water evidence? From the Everydayfeminism site, you have a seven minute video by a man posing as a woman who says he cannot convince anyone other than those who already agree with him? THAT is it??? Really??? His argument is simply ridiculous.

    Do you have any reputable site that agrees with your idea that trans people have "broken chromosomes"?
  • Jan 28, 2021, 01:15 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    THAT is your weak as water evidence?

    I told you to read the article.

    Do you know and talk with any transwomen?

    Here's from another article:
    "For many people, biology defines sex, and sex is always a binary affair. Sure, postmodernists have been playing with the concept of gender for decades, but sex, well, sex is sacred, which means you're either biologically male or female. But never both. Or neither.

    But biology doesn't work that way. Biological phenomena don't necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories. So while humans insist that you're either male or female – that you have either XY or XX sex chromosomes – biology begs to differ.
    "

    Then, read Genesis 3, where sweet, innocent Eve used her free will to open up the world -- and our biology -- to endless possibilities.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 02:02 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I told you to read the article.
    The "article" was about sixty words long. If you are even remotely serious, you would never go to a site such as "everydayfeminism.com".

    Quote:

    Here's from another article:
    "For many people, biology defines sex, and sex is always a binary affair. Sure, postmodernists have been playing with the concept of gender for decades, but sex, well, sex is sacred, which means you're either biologically male or female. But never both. Or neither.

    But biology doesn't work that way. Biological phenomena don't necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories. So while humans insist that you're either male or female – that you have either XY or XX sex chromosomes – biology begs to differ."
    Many assertions with no support whatsoever. Useless.

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    Then, read Genesis 3, where sweet, innocent Eve used her free will to open up the world -- and our biology -- to endless possibilities.
    "Endless possibilities" like pedophilia, or necrophilia, or kleptomania, or hypersexuality, or any one of scores of other disorders? Surely you are not suggesting those are morally OK as you are trying to suggest with the trans situation? And where in the Bible do you find any support whatsoever for your idea?

    You are going to have to learn that making an assertion but providing no support is the opposite of being persuasive. You tried the DES argument, but the CDC shut that down, so then you tried the "broken chromosomes" approach, and yet you have nothing to back that up. What's next, the influences of little green men? At some point you have to have a basis in fact for what you are suggesting.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 02:07 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The "article" was about sixty words long.

    Did you deliberately read the wrong article?
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    Surely you are not suggesting those are morally OK as you are trying to suggest with the trans situation? And where in the Bible do you find any support whatsoever for your idea?
    Jesus taught us.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 02:16 PM
    jlisenbe
    This is all the article on that page. "“Yes, trans women are women, but they’re still biologically male.”Ever thought or said something like this? You might even have good intentions by stating what you think is a simple fact – after all, gender is a social construct, while sex is biological, right?
    Actually, this “simple fact” of trans women being “biologically male” is inaccurate – and this misrepresentation of the truth is being used to justify some pretty hateful things.
    So if you really want the facts, and to follow through on your good intentions by being a good ally, check out Riley J. Dennis’ explanation of why trans women are not biologically male.

    With Love,
    The Editors at Everyday Feminism"

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    Jesus taught us.
    Unless you can quote a passage for that idea that there are now "endless possibilities" that are morally acceptable, then you are being thoroughly dishonest to the point where you should be completely ashamed of yourself. I will wait patiently for that passage.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 02:22 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    At some point you have to have a basis in fact for what you are suggesting.

    From https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religi...s-transgender/

    "The precise cause of gender transition is unknown. However current research into gender identity and sexual orientation point towards processes before birth as being responsible.

    A person's biological sex is determined during the conception process when an ovum is fertilized by one very lucky spermatozoon, and a zygote is produced normally with either an XY sex chromosome pair for a male, or XX pair for a female.

    The bodies of all embryos start off as female. However, embryos that are biological males generally produce hormones that change their appearance to male. Thus, an ultrasound test on a ten-week-old embryo can often tell whether she or he is a biologically female or male.

    In contrast, major neuron development in the brain of the fetus starts much later in pregnancy, in the middle of the second trimester.

    Thus, during pregnancy, there are some processes early on that determine a person’s biological sex and their anatomical design.

    However, the processes that develop the brain occur much later, in the second and third trimester. This introduces the possibility that some processes at different times during pregnancy can result in the birth of a new-born with a male body and a female brain or vice versa."

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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I will wait patiently for that passage.

    John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 02:29 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    This is all the article on that page. "“Yes, trans women are women, but they’re still biologically male.”Ever thought or said something like this? You might even have good intentions by stating what you think is a simple fact – after all, gender is a social construct, while sex is biological, right?
    Actually, this “simple fact” of trans women being “biologically male” is inaccurate – and this misrepresentation of the truth is being used to justify some pretty hateful things.

    You are still reading the wrong article or at least cherry-picking on top of it. Transwomen were born with external male sex organs but their chromosomes, heart, mind, brain scream "I'm a girl!" As they age and can afford it, they go through HRT, electrolysis, perhaps voice coaching, and what is known as bottom surgery to become the woman they know they are.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 02:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    Your article you quoted at least had some scientific basis. However, there was not a shred of support for your "broken chromosomes" idea, and that is now officially a broken and preposterous suggestion alongside the DES hypothesis.

    Your quote from Jesus is simply dishonest to an astounding level. He said nothing at all to support your silly idea that Eve's sin somehow opened the door to any and all sexual desires and feelings becoming acceptable. Have you no shame in attempting to drag Jesus into your baseless assertion?

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    Transwomen were born with external male sex organs but their chromosomes, heart, mind, brain scream "I'm a girl!"
    As usual, no support at all, and your comment that their "chromosomes...scream, 'I'm a girl,'" is just pure guesswork that is flatly wrong.

    I'm done with this. I have no interest in your outlandish, unsupported ideas.
  • Jan 28, 2021, 02:50 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Your article you quoted at least had some scientific basis. However, there was not a shred of support for your "broken chromosomes" idea, and that is now officially a broken and preposterous suggestion alongside the DES hypothesis.

    DES was a major gamechanger for babies born during the '30s through the '70s. Calculate how old those babies are today. And yes, a number of those now-adult babies are struggling with dysphoria because they are, to all appearances, women trapped in a man's body, or vice versa.

    The broken chromosomes was my term for chromosomes that have been damaged or changed in some way. From https://www.genome.gov/about-genomic...ies-Fact-Sheet

    Structural Abnormalities: A chromosome's structure can be altered in several ways.

    • Deletions: A portion of the chromosome is missing or deleted.
    • Duplications: A portion of the chromosome is duplicated, resulting in extra genetic material.
    • Translocations: A portion of one chromosome is transferred to another chromosome. There are two main types of translocation. In a reciprocal translocation, segments from two different chromosomes have been exchanged. In a Robertsonian translocation, an entire chromosome has attached to another at the centromere.
    • Inversions: A portion of the chromosome has broken off, turned upside down, and reattached. As a result, the genetic material is inverted.
    • Rings: A portion of a chromosome has broken off and formed a circle or ring. This can happen with or without loss of genetic material.

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    Your quote from Jesus is simply dishonest to an astounding level.
    He said treat each other with love. How is that dishonest?
  • Jan 28, 2021, 02:57 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I have no interest in your outlandish, unsupported ideas.

    Get to know people in the trans community and talk (nicely) with them, ask questions -- like I have.

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