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  • Jan 7, 2021, 09:00 AM
    jlisenbe
    The old double standard.
    Hopefully a lesson that will sink in from yesterday is that we need fair, honest, and open elections. When that seems clearly not to be happening, then incidents like we saw yesterday become likely. That is not to excuse what happened at all. Those rioters should be arrested and charged, but the insane practice of ballots being mailed out to who knows who needs to stop. If it doesn't, then plan on more events like the one at the Capitol. When people begin to feel their voices are shut out of the voting process, then it gets ugly. It shouldn't, but it does. The expectation that people who want to vote can go to the polls just like they go to Walmart, ballgames, dentists, and liquor stores is not an unreasonable one. I would call it foundational. "You want to vote? Wonderful! Glad you are here. Come in with a photo ID so we can be sure our election is honest, open, and transparent. If you think that's asking too much for something so important, then try living in Venezuela for a year."

    And a message to the liberal news media. They went for months excusing riots which including setting fire to a federal courthouse in Portland, an event after which, amazingly, the local police arrested NO ONE, and the ever pandering mayor joined in with the "protestors". Now they seem to be nearly apoplectic at yesterday's events. Well, in trying to have it both ways, you reinforce the label of "fake news" that many of us attach to them. Rioters actually took over parts of the city. We were told we had to be understanding, but since yesterday's group have some attachment to Trump (although that remains to be seen), the media has gone on the warpath. Double standards smell.

    https://news.yahoo.com/rioters-set-f...181227253.html
  • Jan 7, 2021, 10:06 AM
    jlisenbe
    https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...53&oe=601C6FE7
  • Jan 7, 2021, 02:10 PM
    paraclete
    seems Trump isn't the only one inciting insurrection and all so unnecessary
  • Jan 7, 2021, 03:20 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    How about you take quotes out of context??? Oh, you did....
  • Jan 7, 2021, 03:21 PM
    paraclete
    the four mad women of the apocolypse?
  • Jan 7, 2021, 03:22 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    the four mad women of the apocolypse?

    No, JL is the Beast, posting quotes out of context.
  • Jan 7, 2021, 03:26 PM
    paraclete
    what is the context, rioting in the streets, insurrection?
  • Jan 7, 2021, 03:28 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    what is the context, rioting in the streets, insurrection?

    Nope, not at all! Googling each quote will give you the entire context, the rest of what she said and why. Cherry picking again....
  • Jan 7, 2021, 03:34 PM
    paraclete
    when you make yourself a target that will happen, the left might be on the ascendency but they left plenty of garbage behind
  • Jan 7, 2021, 04:02 PM
    jlisenbe
    Yeah. We need to do your googling for you? Did you ever decide if you were “monied” or living on a “modest income”?
  • Jan 7, 2021, 04:17 PM
    talaniman
    All those mail in ballots, closely monitored, no fraud. That makes the right wing looney claim just another LIE with no evidence whatsoever. Between the failed NUMEROUS court cases and senate confirmation of the election results all we have is the looneys out of control and directed by the dufus for his own nefarious purpose.

    Did I mention looneys out of control directed by the dufus?
  • Jan 7, 2021, 05:14 PM
    paraclete
    Yes it would seem so, two entirely different arguments, the one electoral fraud and irregularities, the other inciting civil disorder. What ever argument Trump may have had is nullified by inciting insurrection
  • Jan 7, 2021, 05:29 PM
    talaniman
    The common thread between the two issues is the dufus instigating his loony cult to new heights of nefarious chaos.
  • Jan 7, 2021, 11:12 PM
    paraclete
    As I said elsewhere, CHAOS! oh to be in DC when the chaos is in bloom
  • Jan 8, 2021, 06:59 AM
    talaniman
    Don't forget the investigations. 5 deaths require one and a head to hang...maybe many!
  • Jan 8, 2021, 05:44 PM
    paraclete
    there will be inquisitions and assignment of blame, the DC police chief was quick to resign, one has to wonder why
  • Jan 9, 2021, 07:12 AM
    jlisenbe
    The Congress is in charge of the United States Capitol Police. I guess it would be too much to hope for to see any of them accept any responsibility.
  • Jan 9, 2021, 07:58 AM
    talaniman
    It's actually a cooperation with many jurisdictions and defined responsibilities. If indeed the capital cops had been prepared with the proper back up of the other agencies a different outcome could have been achieved. Who would have thought the CIC would sic his minions on the very government he is charged with administering? Yes eventually all the FACTS will emerge, and how accountability is meted out will seen.

    Air Force vet identified as rioter with zip ties (nypost.com)

    Zip-tie handcuffs and 'thin blue line' patch at DC riot alarm experts (usatoday.com)

    Far right wing extremists and those that followed like sheep obviously had an agenda that was far beyond just protesting. The political agenda was also clear, disrupt the democratic process, and both groups should be held fully accountable top to bottom.

    The loony fringers advertised well in advance and have vowed to be back SOON. They were all over the country Jan 6th, a FACT that seems lost on us public.

    Far Right Rallies At Capitols Across US Show DC Mob Was Not An Isolated Incident | Actify Press

    This has been brewing for a long time, and we shouldn't be surprised that it's boiled over in plain sight. It's domestic terrorism and there are no laws against it. Never has been.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 05:45 AM
    tomder55
    July she called them storm troopers . Today she praises them

    Nancy Pelosi Greets National Guard Troops in Front of U.S. Capitol - YouTube
  • Jan 17, 2021, 06:08 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    July she called them storm troopers . Today she praises them
    Everyone likes the NG when it's their backside that needs protecting.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 09:44 AM
    talaniman
    Surprisingly like the dufus who deployed the guard during BLM protests last summer, but not against the white wing fringers he invited. We know in hindsight how that worked out.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 10:00 AM
    tomder55
    then there is this ...

    Capitol Police rejected federal help to quell DC riots - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

    The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration....Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.....Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security...Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser also wanted a light police presence at the Capitol. She reportedly wanted to avoid a similar scenario as last summer, when federal forces responded to demonstrators opposed to police abuses who assembled near the White House.

    Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots | Wisconsin Public Radio (wpr.org)
  • Jan 17, 2021, 10:39 AM
    talaniman
    In your link,

    Quote:

    The failure raised serious questions over security at the Capitol and the treatment of mainly white Trump supporters who were allowed to roam through the building, compared with the Black and brown protesters across the country who demonstrated last year over police brutality.
    Did a fear of the optics lead to failure as the crowd of protestors were being stoked by the administration? Most disturbing was the dufus seeing it on live TV and dithering instead of responding in a timely manner. I know what could the most powerful man in the world do when he saw them storm the capital in real time?

    What did he do? Just asking.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 11:50 AM
    jlisenbe
    What?? You mean a liberal dem mayor was completely unprepared for trouble??? What a shocker!

    I suppose all the liberal dems who were calling for defunding the police are singing a different tune now.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 12:01 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Did a fear of the optics lead to failure as the crowd of protestors were being stoked by the administration?
    That is a question you can ask of the Capitol Police ;the Sgt at Arms ;and the Mayor of DC. Imagine what would've happened if the President deployed the Guard to the Capitol against their wishes .
  • Jan 17, 2021, 12:15 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    What?? You mean a liberal dem mayor was completely unprepared for trouble??? What a shocker!

    I suppose all the liberal dems who were calling for defunding the police are singing a different tune now.

    I know you blocked me but the official response was as follows.

    Bowser to DOJ, Pentagon: DC isn't asking federal law enforcement to assist with protests (msn.com)

    This indicates she was prepared for trouble.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    That is a question you can ask of the Capitol Police ;the Sgt at Arms ;and the Mayor of DC. Imagine what would've happened if the President deployed the Guard to the Capitol against their wishes .

    That is what the investigation is about as well as the dufus response isn't it?
  • Jan 17, 2021, 01:39 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    That is what the investigation is about as well as the dufus response isn't it?
    What investigation? Madam Mim was like the Red Queen .

    “Now for the evidence,” said the King, “and then the sentence.”
    “No!” said the Queen, “first the sentence, and then the evidence!”
  • Jan 17, 2021, 01:56 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    “Now for the evidence,” said the King, “and then the sentence.”
    “No!” said the Queen, “first the sentence, and then the evidence!”
    You must remember that Trump called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protests. What a instigator of riots he is!!
  • Jan 17, 2021, 02:01 PM
    talaniman
    Lol. You used that line before and it's still inaccurate, as impeachment is a charge and evidence is submitted at the still to be determined senate trial. The sentence comes upon conviction if any, by that senate.

    Maybe this trial will have live witness testimony unlike the previous one.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 02:11 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You must remember that Trump called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protests. What a instigator of riots he is!!

    That's not all he called for as we all have seen.

    What Trump Told Supporters Before Mob Stormed Capitol - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Trump urged his supporters to ‘fight much harder’ against ‘bad people’ and ‘show strength’ at the Capitol.

  • Jan 17, 2021, 02:47 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...post-right.png

    You must remember that Trump called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protests. What a instigator of riots he is!!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    That's not all he called for as we all have seen.

    What Trump Told Supporters Before Mob Stormed Capitol - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Trump urged his supporters to ‘fight much harder’ against ‘bad people’ and ‘show strength’ at the Capitol.

    Quote:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...post-right.png

    You must remember that Trump called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protests. What a instigator of riots he is!!
    The depth of wilful ignorance from so many people must be seen to be believed as in the above quote. Trump's behavior inciting the thugs to march on the Capitol is on video for the world to see. Those who deny it are promoting the "Big Lie" and contributing to the domestic terror now at large in the land. Calling themselves "Patriots" with their filthy flags, slogans, and murderous behavior muddies what should be an honorable word.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 02:51 PM
    paraclete
    Trump primed the pump and was surprised when water came out
  • Jan 17, 2021, 02:54 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    The depth of wilful ignorance from so many people must be seen to be believed as in the above quote. Trump's behavior inciting the thugs to march on the Capitol is on video for the world to see.
    Yeah. Somewhere.

    This is what seems to be the "smoking gun" for the liberal dems. There is not a peep anywhere in it about violence. He said nothing that dems have not said a thousand times.

    “Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer. And we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we’re going to have to fight much harder. …

    “We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them, because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
  • Jan 17, 2021, 03:08 PM
    talaniman
    Let's not forget the dufus's public urging for VP Pence to do the right thing by NOT certifying the election results which Pence refused as unlawful. That didn't stop the PUBLIC urging though and communication to his mobsters.

    Trump: If Pence 'does the right thing, we win' (yahoo.com)

    And of course the recorded call to the Georgia governor to find him votes, is being scrutinized for criminal behavior.

    All this drama mayhem and chaos over false wild and unproven claims and lies fed to the mob about a rigged election? Fringers and true dufus believers still defend this liar?

    UNBELIVABLE, except we are seeing it before our eyes.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Trump primed the pump and was surprised when water came out

    Sums it up nicely...what a dufus.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 07:48 PM
    paraclete
    If ever the whole mess needed to be dumped and a fresh start made it is evidently now
  • Jan 17, 2021, 07:58 PM
    talaniman
    It's a bigger mess than we think. Still has to be cleaned up.
  • Jan 17, 2021, 10:00 PM
    paraclete
    so you are going to drain the swamp again? what is they say? its impossible to drain the swamp when you are up to your arse in alligators. First get rid of the alligators
  • Jan 19, 2021, 05:56 AM
    jlisenbe
    BLM riots cost between 1 and 2 billions dollars and resulted in over 2,000 officers injured and about 30 people killed. The Capitol riot resulted in about 50 injured officers and 5 deaths. I wonder who Ms. Pelosi has tried to hold accountable for those BLM riots?
  • Jan 19, 2021, 10:03 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    so you are going to drain the swamp again? what is they say? its impossible to drain the swamp when you are up to your arse in alligators. First get rid of the alligators

    Needless to say Biden will get rid of the dufus alligators and replace them with more competent ones to do a much better job.
  • Jan 23, 2021, 01:23 PM
    paraclete
    Competent alligators do they bite your arse more frequently?

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