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  • Jan 3, 2021, 01:29 PM
    Athos
    Trump Descends Further Into The Abyss of His Unreality
    Today Trump demanded of the Georgia Secretary of State that he “find” 11,500 ballots to overturn the election. In a rambling, sometimes incoherent, phone call to Republican Secretary of State Raffensperger, Trump was recorded in one of his most bizarre actions since he was elected.

    Wildly citing conspiracy theories, threatening criminal consequences to the Secretary and his counsel, and falsely claiming he won Georgia by “hundreds of thousands of votes” Trump railed for over an hour before Raffensperger politely ended the call after calmly telling the president his data was wrong.

    The entire call of over an hour was recorded by Raffensperger.

    Accompanied on the call by Mark Meadows and several lawyers, Trump is clearly showing signs of serious mental instability.
  • Jan 3, 2021, 01:48 PM
    Wondergirl
    Trump lost the presidential race in Georgia to President-elect Joe Biden by 11,779 votes. Trump pressured Georgia SOS Raffensperger and other officials to "find" enough votes in the state's presidential election to make him the winner. Trump says he needs 11,780 votes. Meanwhile, Sidney Powell claimed, “At least 450,000 ballots in the key states ... miraculously only have a mark for Joe Biden on them, and no other candidate."
  • Jan 3, 2021, 01:52 PM
    jlisenbe
    Yep. It was almost as bizarre as an American Pres telling the entire country that the attack on Benghazi was due to an offensive video when he knew that it was actually an act of terror, and doing so just a few weeks prior to a close election.
  • Jan 3, 2021, 01:53 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Trump says he needs 11,780 votes.

    Thank you for the correction/clarification.
  • Jan 3, 2021, 02:17 PM
    jlisenbe
    Context. Relevant context.
  • Jan 3, 2021, 02:20 PM
    paraclete
    Trump is unhinged and yet you follow him
  • Jan 3, 2021, 03:03 PM
    Curlyben
    Wasn't Georgia recounted and audited, twice...
  • Jan 3, 2021, 03:16 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    Wasn't Georgia recounted and audited, twice...

    Thrice....
  • Jan 3, 2021, 03:18 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Trump is unhinged and yet you follow him
    Record low unemployment. Replaced terrible trade deal with the new and much better USMCA. Appointed pro-life, pro-Constitution SCOTUS judges. Moved American embassy to Jerusalem. Reduced American military obligations overseas. American economy improved noticeably prior to world-wide COVID problem. 400,000 new manufacturing jobs. United States became energy independent. Got out of the useless Paris Accords. No Benghazis. Opened up new areas for responsible energy development. NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

    Not too bad for an unhinged guy. But even at that, I don't "follow him". I vote for those who are pro-life and pro-America. When they are wrong, I will criticize them.
  • Jan 3, 2021, 07:04 PM
    paraclete
    Havent seen you criticise Trump, what you are looking at are his lucid periods which are becoming infrequent now he has to move house and divorce, and investigation
  • Jan 3, 2021, 07:32 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Havent seen you criticise Trump,
    You must pay closer attention. I think Trump has bungled the whole issue of voting irregularities. If he has significant evidence, then he should make it public.
  • Jan 3, 2021, 08:51 PM
    paraclete
    Evidence doesnt figure highly in trumps world, it is what ever he says it is, just flights of fancy
  • Jan 4, 2021, 10:59 AM
    jlisenbe
    Speaking of unhinged, at least Trump never closed a prayer with,” amen and awoman”. That’s so absurd that it’s hard to characterize it.
  • Jan 4, 2021, 11:27 AM
    Curlyben
    I'll just leave this here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55529230
  • Jan 4, 2021, 02:21 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post

    After reading the BBC report on the facts and watching the Georgia State Department respond to Trump's phone call, it is blindingly clear Trump is bordering on madness.

    His inner circle now consists of the unhinged - Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, and crazy Mike Flynn - nutcases all.

    I don't want to leave out Trump's other attorney, the insane Lin Wood who called for the execution of VP Pence because Pence rejected the law suit attempting to cast him in the role of throwing out the electoral college tally.

    He also demanded McConnell be arrested for acknowledging the election winner as Biden.

    If ever we needed Divine Providence to watch over the USA, it is now.
  • Jan 4, 2021, 06:40 PM
    paraclete
    I thought Trump was divine providence, now you have to contend with the other guy
  • Jan 4, 2021, 08:06 PM
    talaniman
    The dufus has been fact checked for years throughout his presidency and his lack of truth hasn't stopped him or changed his thirst for exaggeration or deceit, or drama that's over the top nor has his defeat in November diminished his sychophants, supporters or enablers. Evidence means nothing and only lawful eviction/convictions gets him from the peoples house, or TV. Till then the antics continue and who can be surprised at that?

    He can't descend any lower than he's always been and the lying cheating stealing bully has always been a bottom feeder. His latest antics only add to stuff he will be held in account for...hopefully!
  • Jan 4, 2021, 09:51 PM
    paraclete
    meanwhile down in Georgia, Trump marches to the sea, like Canute before him

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...30f12d54d35706
  • Jan 5, 2021, 07:48 AM
    talaniman
    Silly season is almost over Clete, at least for this cycle. The civil war continues. The Frankenstein monster is hard to kill because some of the villagers actually like him. Can they save him? I don't think so.
  • Jan 5, 2021, 09:14 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    meanwhile down in Georgia, Trump marches to the sea, like Canute before him

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...30f12d54d35706

    I think you meant Sherman. Canute was the guy in England holding back the tide and all that.

    Good linked article.
  • Jan 5, 2021, 03:56 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    I think you meant Sherman. Canute was the guy in England holding back the tide and all that.

    Good linked article.

    exactly but perhaps he will turn into Sherman and win those seats and burn down Biden's senate
  • Jan 6, 2021, 09:37 AM
    talaniman
    Doesn't appear he will win those seats, or overturn the election results, or stop Biden and the dems from cleaning up the mess that the dufus continues to make.
  • Jan 6, 2021, 04:41 PM
    paraclete
    Must be terrible to live in such a chaotic place
  • Jan 7, 2021, 08:43 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Must be terrible to live in such a chaotic place
    If by "chaotic place", you mean the world's leading economy by far, then I would not characterize it as "terrible" to live here.
  • Jan 7, 2021, 01:51 PM
    paraclete
    No I was referring to rioting, burning buildings, shootings
  • Jan 7, 2021, 03:55 PM
    talaniman
    How the events of yesterday in the nations capital could have been missed is well beyond me. Incited by the dufus and his circle without a doubt. Chaotic is an understatement!
  • Jan 8, 2021, 05:44 PM
    paraclete
    Yes this is where wild rhetoric gets you, weak minds believe it
  • Jan 9, 2021, 08:16 AM
    talaniman
    The looney right wing fringers have been around a long time and are embedded throughout the society. Never until the dufus have they been given a spotlight of legitimacy at this level though. Of course they feel embolden to respond finally in the open.
  • Jan 9, 2021, 09:00 AM
    Athos
    Those fringers will go back into their burrows and rat holes as soon as citizen Trump begins to face his civil and criminal charges.
  • Jan 9, 2021, 09:07 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Those fringers will go back into their burrows and rat holes
    I guess that's some more of that "unconditional love" at work.
  • Jan 9, 2021, 10:10 AM
    talaniman
    There is no unconditional love for dangerous violent criminals with bad intent. Just consequences for their actions. Insurrection is a crime.
  • Jan 9, 2021, 05:21 PM
    paraclete
    Insurrection is treason, but Trump is a loud mouth who didn't realise there was anyone out there who would take such action, he was rabble rousing and the rabble arose. the lessons of history are not often learned
  • Jan 9, 2021, 05:25 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    he was rabble rousing and the rabble arose
    It's been going on for years with leftist dems, but when it even appears to be Trump supporters doing it, then all of a sudden it's a threat to democracy. Go figure.
  • Jan 9, 2021, 07:23 PM
    paraclete
    Yes, there is no reason, the left permits any action for the cause, but the right must be suppressed, we still mistakenly believe the nazi were right wing extremists
  • Jan 9, 2021, 10:00 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It's been going on for years with leftist dems, but when it even appears to be Trump supporters doing it, then all of a sudden it's a threat to democracy. Go figure.

    Seriously? Leftists dems don't storm the capital like an invading army, or plot to kidnap governors cheered on by a lying cheating fascist president.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yes, there is no reason, the left permits any action for the cause, but the right must be suppressed, we still mistakenly believe the nazi were right wing extremists

    Seriously Clete? Oh you must mean Aussie leftists and your conservatives are so morally pristine and sympathize with Nazi's?

    Sound rather NUTSY BOZO to me.
  • Jan 10, 2021, 05:27 AM
    paraclete
    Tal, go play devil's advocate some place else, I made a comment regarding History and misinterpretation of it. The guys who stormed the Congress were right wing extremists, your nutsy bozos, not mine, but your left isn't pristine either, just a little more subtle. It was the left that bred nazism in Europe, don't think that because they were anti communist they were right wing. Was Portland right wing?
  • Jan 11, 2021, 11:54 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Tal, go play devil's advocate some place else, I made a comment regarding History and misinterpretation of it. The guys who stormed the Congress were right wing extremists, your nutsy bozos, not mine, but your left isn't pristine either, just a little more subtle. It was the left that bred nazism in Europe, don't think that because they were anti communist they were right wing. Was Portland right wing?

    What was Nutsy Bozo is your interpretation of history that was assigning ideology to the actions of a self serving dictator trying to conquer the world.
  • Jan 11, 2021, 12:13 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    It was the left that bred nazism in Europe, don't think that because they were anti communist they were right wing.

    Maybe you could elaborate on that? One of the more revisionist takes on history is that the Nazis were leftists. This bizarre idea reflects badly on every single position you have espoused here - causes all to take whatever you say with a huge grain of salt.
  • Jan 11, 2021, 12:41 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    causes all to take whatever you say with a huge grain of salt.
    Says the pot to the kettle.
  • Jan 11, 2021, 01:34 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Maybe you could elaborate on that? One of the more revisionist takes on history is that the Nazis were leftists. This bizarre idea reflects badly on every single position you have espoused here - causes all to take whatever you say with a huge grain of salt.

    Maybe you should read some history some time. The Nazi were socialists, a response to the poverty and disorder of Germany after WWII. They are a reflection of where the left will take you if you go down that path. I keep a bag of salt handy for your ravings

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