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  • Dec 9, 2020, 02:37 PM
    Athos
    Trump's Assault On Democracy and His Attemmpted Coup
    Discarding the Constitutional method of voting to elect a president, Trump now leads a coup to overturn the election by relying on the courts – courts he has packed over his 4 years and now expecting payback from those judges. His record is now something like 0 for 60 and include the most bizarre allegations right out of QANON. His legal team is the Keystone Kops of the legal world.

    Seeking conservative ideologues instead of judicially qualified judges, his federal judge appointments were so bad some never made it through the initial process. But, for those that did, even ideologues have their limits.

    Possessed by a syndrome named after his derangement, he now expects his SC appointments to bail him out and call him the winner of the election and name him the next president of the United States. So far has he fallen.

    He rails and screams against anyone who says anything the least bit uncomplimentary about him, no matter their party. As he spirals downward into the maelstrom of his insanity, the hope is that wiser and cooler heads are watching him and will prevent Trump from doing anything his madness will drive him to.

    The majority of Republicans who are refusing to recognize Biden's election are a disgrace, enabling Trump's insanity.
  • Dec 9, 2020, 03:29 PM
    talaniman
    Repubs are afraid of his still huge base voters that's actually grown bigger. He may not be president soon but he is still the leader of this loony cult.
  • Dec 9, 2020, 03:39 PM
    paraclete
    All this is just classic Trump; deny, deny, deny. deny the legality of Obama, deny the legality of Biden, deny Russia gate, deny refugees entry. While claiming to be a positive influence Trump has been a negative influence in many ways. He has forced China into a more aggressive role, he has denied CV19 and forced america into a devastating pandemic and it goes on, like a broken record
  • Dec 9, 2020, 05:01 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    All this is just classic Trump; deny, deny, deny. deny the legality of Obama, deny the legality of Biden, deny Russia gate, deny refugees entry. While claiming to be a positive influence Trump has been a negative influence in many ways. He has forced China into a more aggressive role, he has denied CV19 and forced america into a devastating pandemic and it goes on, like a broken record

    Quote:

    Originally posted by talinman
    Repubs are afraid of his still huge base voters that's actually grown bigger. He may not be president soon but he is still the leader of this loony cult.
    Loony cult it is plus all the denials.

    The loony AG in Texas has filed a suit in the SC challenging the vote in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Texas AG Paxton himself is already being investigated by the FBI for crooked dealings. He has no oversight in any of those states, but that hasn't stopped him. Nor has it stopped 17 Republican AGs from other states in support of his suit. No, I'm not making up any of that Republican cultish loony-ness.

    Of course, there's not a chance in hell any of that will succeed. So why is Paxton doing it? Read on.

    He is signalling Trump for a pardon of his criminal activity. Trump loves to pardon wrong doers. However, Trump loves to execute certain other wrong doers.

    Since July, he has ordered the execution of 13 criminals on death row with five remaining to be executed by January 20. This is the greatest number of federal executions in 17 years, all being carried out during an election year to emphasize Trump's "law and order" platform. Trump is the most prolific execution president in 130 years.

    In Trump's fevered brain, these executions represent those Democrats he wants executed for treason.

    January 20 can't come soon enough.
  • Dec 9, 2020, 07:31 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post

    In Trump's fevered brain, these executions represent those Democrats he wants executed for treason.

    January 20 can't come soon enough.

    Executing criminals is not up to Trump, he has the power to pardon not execute. You cannot know what is in his mind so rhetoric doesn't cut it
  • Dec 9, 2020, 08:33 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Executing criminals is not up to Trump, he has the power to pardon not execute. You cannot know what is in his mind so rhetoric doesn't cut it

    Pay attention, paraclete. You don't know as much as you think you know about the USA.

    The Trump administration, which carried out a slew of federal executions this year after a 17-year hiatus, has slated five more prisoners to be put to death between now and President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, two of them within days of the transfer of power. These will be the most federal executions ever carried out during a presidential transition period.

    The federal government hadn’t conducted a single federal execution since 2003 until Trump and Barr started the spree this year with, so far, eight executions. If all 13 executions are carried out as scheduled, President Donald Trump would have meted out more death to American prisoners in a single year in office than any presidency since Franklin D. Roosevelt’s 12 years in office.

    Trump is the same person who took out a full page ad in a New York newspaper calling for death to the Central Park Five. The teenagers were later found innocent, and he never withdrew his call for their execution.

    Trump also called for his Democratic opponents to be tried for treason. Treason carries the death penalty.

    What type of person supports an individual like him?
  • Dec 9, 2020, 09:08 PM
    paraclete
    He has strong opinions and maybe he gets it wrong sometimes however he is asking for the law to be applied
  • Dec 9, 2020, 09:23 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    He has strong opinions and maybe he gets it wrong sometimes however he is asking for the law to be applied

    Selectively. The law has nothing to do with it. Trump wants to do the killing because Joe Biden opposes capital punishment. No other reason other than it puts him in with his pals in North Korea, China and Russia.

    The final executions are pointedly scheduled the day before the inauguration so Biden doesn't miss it.

    Trump is pure evil as I've been saying on these pages for 4 years now.
  • Dec 10, 2020, 02:23 PM
    paraclete
    where do you get these assumptions? from the tabloid press or is there a conspiracy site you visit?
  • Dec 10, 2020, 03:00 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    where do you get these assumptions? from the tabloid press or is there a conspiracy site you visit?

    Simple. I get them from Trump's documented behavior for decades. I leave the conspiracy sites to the far right and to Trump's sycophants.
  • Dec 10, 2020, 03:42 PM
    paraclete
    you sure fooled me!
  • Dec 10, 2020, 04:15 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Selectively. The law has nothing to do with it. Trump wants to do the killing because Joe Biden opposes capital punishment. No other reason other than it puts him in with his pals in North Korea, China and Russia.

    The final executions are pointedly scheduled the day before the inauguration so Biden doesn't miss it.

    Trump is pure evil as I've been saying on these pages for 4 years now.

    He has never passed on an opportunity for control or bullying, or anything else that breaks the china, or bring him a few bucks or distracts from some other nefarious thing he's doing.
  • Dec 10, 2020, 04:47 PM
    jlisenbe
    Here are some of the people.

    Alfred Bourgeois was sentenced to death by a Texas jury for sexually and physically abusing, torturing and beating his 3 year old daughter to death in 2002, and is scheduled to be executed on Dec. 11.

    Orlando Cordia Hall, 49, was executed last week after a federal jury in 1995 found him guilty of kidnapping, raping and killing a Texas teenager.

    Lisa Montgomery, 52, is scheduled to be executed on Jan. 12. Montgomery was convicted in 2004 for killing a pregnant woman and cutting the baby out.

    Dustin John Higgs was convicted in 2000 of kidnapping and murdering three women. His execution is set to take place on Jan. 15.

    Seems a shame that none of you give a rip about the victims. You didn't even bother to find out why these people were given the death penalty. I feel sorry for the people who committed these crimes, but execution is completely appropriate for them when you consider the enormous suffering the people they so callously murdered went through. I imagine the family members of the victims feel the same way.
  • Dec 10, 2020, 04:52 PM
    Wondergirl
    Why weren't they given a speedy execution, but have languished in prison cells for years, even decades?
  • Dec 10, 2020, 04:55 PM
    jlisenbe
    Well, they are not "languishing" now. As to why the wait, as you so often say, Google is your friend.
  • Dec 10, 2020, 04:56 PM
    talaniman
    No doubt they do as do the families of the 8000 covid victims so far this week, and the hundred of thousands before them.
  • Dec 10, 2020, 05:14 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quite naturally you failed to mention the 900,000 babies INTENTIONALLY aborted every year. In fact you ONLY mentioned people who have died from illness that you think you can blame on Trump. Wonder why? Politics?
  • Dec 10, 2020, 05:28 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Quite naturally you failed to mention the 900,000 babies INTENTIONALLY aborted every year.

    How many babies has Trump asked his wives and girlfriends to abort?
  • Dec 10, 2020, 05:45 PM
    jlisenbe
    None as far as I know. Can you prove any? How about Biden? How about Harris?
  • Dec 10, 2020, 06:05 PM
    jlisenbe
    Here's some others.

    Brandon Bernard was 18 years old along with Christopher Vialva and others when they were convicted for the 1999 murder in Texas. It was reported that they murdered a pair of ministers in Texas.

    Johnson's execution is scheduled for January 14. He was convicted after he killed seven people in 1992 as a part of the drug trade in Virginia.
  • Dec 10, 2020, 06:36 PM
    paraclete
    Just for the record I have no difficulty with the death penalty for heinous crime
  • Dec 10, 2020, 06:56 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Just for the record I have no difficulty with the death penalty for heinous crime

    I surmised as much. My objection is based on the execution of innocent men when DNA has later established their innocence. There are too many of those. There is also the philosophical argument that the state has no right to kill a human being convicted of a crime. I find that argument weak.
  • Dec 11, 2020, 02:41 AM
    jlisenbe
    A little more info.

    "Bernard was 18 when he took part in the killing of married youth ministers Todd and Stacie Bagley, who were from Iowa.
    Five teens forced the Bagleys into the trunk of their car, robbed them, shot them, then lit the car on fire in 1999.
    Todd Bagley's mother, Georgia, said Thursday that "without this process, my family and I would not have the closure needed to move on in life."
    Quote:

    "My objection is based on the execution of innocent men when DNA has later established their innocence. There are too many of those.
    So far as I can find, there has never been a person executed who was later found to be innocent based on DNA evidence. However, there have been several cases of individuals being executed who were later found to likely be innocent based on other reasons, and additionally there have been cases of individuals on death row being found to be innocent prior to execution by DNA evidence. It is certainly troubling and could very well amount to a compelling reason to abandon capital punishment. The unreliability of the justice system is a genuine problem, so to the likely amazement of everyone including me, I find myself largely in agreement with Athos.
  • Dec 12, 2020, 08:39 AM
    talaniman
    Breaking News!
    The dufusites lose yet AGAIN, and this was the BIG one!

    Trump’s spin on his big Supreme Court failure is as bad as his legal case (msn.com)

    Is this red meat throwing beg for money crap over yet? Doubt it!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo-b5uXW...jpg&name=small
  • Dec 15, 2020, 02:58 PM
    tomder55
    What is the name for a political system in which only the ballot adjudicators decide who is president? We have reached a point in this country where judges decide winners and losers .

    Analysis of Antrim County Ballot Machines Made Public - 9 & 10 News (9and10news.com)
  • Dec 15, 2020, 03:07 PM
    jlisenbe
    It just had to have been Trump's fault. Just had to be.
  • Dec 15, 2020, 03:13 PM
    paraclete
    Didn't judges always decide winners and losers? Sounds like the system is flawed, voting rules are not uniformly applied, the voting system is a hodge-podge of methodology. I think the name you seek is antiquated, or maybe anarchic and in need of serious review.

    What I fail to understand is; in a federal election why is the system not federally administered?
  • Dec 15, 2020, 04:06 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    What I fail to understand is; in a federal election why is the system not federally administered?
    Congress has such power . They should revisit the 2005 Carter -Baker Commission on elections ,formed after the 2000 election .They clearly spoke of the dangers of the mail in voting process. The report said ;‘Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” That was not Trump speaking this election cycle .That was Jimmy Carter and James Baker 15 years ago. They also called on states to increase voter ID requirements; to halt ballot harvesting; to maintain voter lists, in part to ensure dead people are promptly removed from them; to allow election observers to monitor ballot counting; and to make sure voting machines are working properly; the media refrain from calling elections too early and from touting exit polls. Had Congress and state governments adopted many of the panel’s recommendations, the 2020 postelection mess might have been avoided.
  • Dec 15, 2020, 04:13 PM
    talaniman
    It was only a mess because the dufus and his sycophants have made it one. Repubs including AG Barr have said there was no widespread voter fraud. 60 judicial decisions and SCOTUS have verified that fact.
  • Dec 15, 2020, 04:38 PM
    tomder55
    and yet I provided forensic proof that at least in Michigan the voting machines were compromised . I'm not saying that by itself was decisive . That is only a handful of the 70 something electors Trump would need . Yet if these machines can be proven to have been programmed to demonstrate that algorithms were used to manipulate the count then if it doesn't overturn this election result when the final decision is made on Jan 6 ,then at least it could prevent them from being used in the Jan run off for GA Senate . .
  • Dec 15, 2020, 05:20 PM
    talaniman
    Fact check: Dominion voting machines didn't delete or switch votes (usatoday.com)
  • Dec 15, 2020, 06:01 PM
    tomder55
    and another "fact checker " rushes to the rescue with "facts " . Gotta love those gatekeepers of the truth . The trouble is that your fact checker posted that truth before the forensic audit was conducted in Michigan and published this week .
    Microsoft Word - Antrim Michigan Forensics Report 121320(9).docx (9and10news.com)

    Quote:

    The audit revealed that “of the 15,676 (lines or events) there were a total of 10,667 critical errors/warnings or a 68.05% error rate.” Later in the report, ASOG says, “These are not human errors; this is definitively related to the software and software configurations resulting in error rates far beyond the thresholds listed in the guidelines.”
    Quote:

    based on the preliminary results, we conclude that the errors are so significant that they call into question the integrity and legitimacy of the results in the Antrim County 2020 election to the point that the results are not certifiable. Because the same machines and software are used in 48 other counties in Michigan, this casts doubt on the integrity of the entire election in the state of Michigan.”
  • Dec 15, 2020, 06:18 PM
    paraclete
    Tom they just don't get that f**kups are very prevalent and it appears that in this electoral cycle they were very prevalent.
  • Dec 15, 2020, 07:03 PM
    talaniman
    I know Tom, I know I've heard the PUBLIC statements the dufusites have been spouting but none of this was ever presented before a judge. You can lie and bamboozle the public, but in a court before a judge lying is highly illegal with consequences.

    60 cases no fruit? Unanimous SCOTUS?
  • Dec 15, 2020, 08:21 PM
    tomder55
    which leads back to my question ..... What is the name for a political system in which only the ballot adjudicators decide who is president?

    a black robed appointed for life oligarchy rubber stamps it . They quickly become part of the permanent government ;just like the bloated bureaucracy .

    I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.”Nicaraguan Dictator Anastasio Somoza
  • Dec 15, 2020, 08:34 PM
    paraclete
    Tom how is it you quote a dictator when you have someone closer to home expressing the same opinion
  • Dec 16, 2020, 03:23 AM
    tomder55
    That is the prevailing view of the judiciary. It is Quid supporters who found votes in the middle of the night in Georgia after counters were told to go home for the night. It was Quid supporters who suddenly put up paper on windows so observers could not see the count in Michigan. It was Quid supporters in Pa who kept ballot monitors so far away from the counters that they needed binoculars.

    The pro-swamp courts in almost every case have thrown the challenges out because 'Trump had no standing ' and because even if he was right ,they saw no remedy . So yeah it is the Dems who acted like Somoza . Their coup did not succeed over the last 4 years .So they made sure the count was in their favor.

    It is going to happen in Georgia too in the January Senate races. So far 1.2 million mail in ballots have been requested . But only 200,000 have been returned . That leaves the potential for a million "harvested " ballots .
  • Dec 16, 2020, 10:37 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    which leads back to my question ..... What is the name for a political system in which only the ballot adjudicators decide who is president?



    Answer. The Electoral College. See the founders for that one.

    Quote:

    a black robed appointed for life oligarchy rubber stamps it . They quickly become part of the permanent government ;just like the bloated bureaucracy .
    You mean SCOTUS? See the founders for that one too.

    Quote:

    I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.”Nicaraguan Dictator Anastasio Somoza
    See your state for that one, and the founders who gave that power to the states. The dufus was voted out under those guidelines set forth between feds and states despite his best efforts to subvert the Constitution...for now at least. He seems to still control the repub party with an iron fist.
  • Dec 16, 2020, 10:51 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    That is the prevailing view of the judiciary. It is Quid supporters who found votes in the middle of the night in Georgia after counters were told to go home for the night. It was Quid supporters who suddenly put up paper on windows so observers could not see the count in Michigan. It was Quid supporters in Pa who kept ballot monitors so far away from the counters that they needed binoculars.

    The pro-swamp courts in almost every case have thrown the challenges out because 'Trump had no standing ' and because even if he was right ,they saw no remedy . So yeah it is the Dems who acted like Somoza . Their coup did not succeed over the last 4 years .So they made sure the count was in their favor.

    It is going to happen in Georgia too in the January Senate races. So far 1.2 million mail in ballots have been requested . But only 200,000 have been returned . That leaves the potential for a million "harvested " ballots .

    Nice spin as usual Tomder, but repub run states as well as dem run states have certified this election. The dufus had his days in court and got thrown out. That's one huge helluva conspiracy the dems pulled off which had no chance at success without plenty of repub help, unless you're still stuck on Xi voting twice.

    Hardcore dufusite sour grapes, or a plea for cheese to go with conspiracy theory whine? I think you give the dems way to much credit, and should look to the people and party and events that ran the last 4 years.
  • Dec 18, 2020, 07:23 AM
    tomder55
    the question is ;was the laws enacted by the state legislatures used ? Or did Governors and courts impose rules ? The framers were clear on that matter . Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors,

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