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a very good reason has just been advanced for Australia and other foreign forces to leave Afghanistan. Soldiers cannot be trusted to act lawfully and these are not the first instances of war crimes being perpetrated in this long and bloody conflict. But we don't need to be there just leave them to the tender mercies of the Muslims, we have all heard what atrocities they are capable of
Free nations occupation forces are put in an untenable situation because they are held to the highest standards . When the Soviets were there I'm sure they did far worse .
not really, these actions are base, ugly and on a par with the soviets and unworthy of soldiers of a free society this will be our Mi Li
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I think you are unfamiliar with what the Soviets did in Afghanistan.Quote:
not really, these actions are base, ugly and on a par with the soviets and unworthy of soldiers of a free society this will be our Mi Li
I was unfamiliar with what the soldiers of my nation did in Afghanistan; cutting off the hands of afghans, murdering prisoners, showing insensitivity to muslim funeral practices, violating corpses and I doubt the full list of atrocities has come to light. I also wonder to what extent other forces participated
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I love you anyway, 'clete!Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Earth shattering to find out you're no better than the barbarians you make war with isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You are describing what soldiers have done for centuries. It's a hard thing to tell young men, "Go over there and kill human beings wearing different uniforms, try to stay alive yourself in hellacious situations, and act real nice while you are doing it." Not trying to excuse anything, but it's a hard situation for a 20 year old. I wonder how many 9/11's those guys prevented?
The situation was a little different the enemy wore no uniforms and these were elite soldiers, professionals, not raw recruits who had a particular, peculiar, culture. I don't think slitting the necks of youths prevents 9/11, but ensures it will happen again
Without a doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
By those guys, I didn't mean the Aussie special forces. I just mean the tens of thousands of good guys who risked their necks to defend us. It needs to be acknowledged.Quote:
I wonder how many 9/11's those guys prevented?
you mean it hasn't been? defend you from what? a few troubled towelheads thousands of miles away. Overkill if you ask me!
I agree JL, would we rather fight the enemy here, or somewhere else? The weak afghan government has harbored many terrorist organizations including Bin Laden, and now ISIS so let them dodge the bombs and bullets rather than have time to plan another attack.
Atrocities and bad behavior are the realities of the horrors of war to be dealt with by the committing country or COUNTRIES.
Twenty years is a long time Tal and it is almost that for the war you are referring to. Making continual war on a backward country smacks of war crimes. Afghanistan has no ability to defend itself against you with a proportional response or any realistic response for that matter. so you don't like their religion and form of government, get over it. We wouldn't want them to be a failed democracy on the US model, now would we?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Afghanistan didn't attack america, Al Qaeda did
We aren't at war with Afghanistan, and are aligned with Kabul which I suppose passes as their version of democracy, but with the tribal Taliban who are aligned and give safe harbor to other terrorist groups as mentioned above. Coalition democracies including YOU are there with us hopefully brokering a peace, and training afghans to defend themselves against their enemies the Taliban and company.
You have to deal with your own rotten apples like everybody else. Or go home and let the Taliban have their way. Hopefully your "professionals" can figure it out for you.
Good luck thinking you're safer ignoring the nuts of the world with no uniforms Clete, and we thought we were too, but 9/11 proved us wrong.
Yes so the story goes but the reality is something different, some pursue a policy of pacification by force, which gets you exactly nowhere. Do Afghans use drones, I wonder, piloted by boys thousands of miles away, and which are used to attack gatherings for weddings and funeralsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Who said wars are pretty? They've never been!
Yes Tal and there have been many unnecessary wars. The war in Afghanistan has been carried on too long. the Taliban cannot be eliminated or even pacified. the presence of foreign troops is an effront to them that cannot be ignored and there is a long history of the place being the graveyard of invading forces. Al Qaeda has been eliminated, time to go home
I would agree that the Taliban cannot be eliminated or pacified, but they can certainly be subjected to attrition, and they can be forced to exist in a state of confusion and fear brought on by the actions of our, and other, militaries. There has not been another 9/11 for about 20 years, and our actions in Afghanistan have something to do with that, so I call it a win.
You have just described a war crime, inflicting attrition on a population without being able to identify the enemy, obviously Vietnam taught you nothing. There has not been another 9/11 because Al Qaeda has been defeated and was years ago, and you haven't won, you have just eliminated one threat. You have a mindset, the mindset that anything you country does is essentially good but it isn't true. Your response in Afghanistan was not a proportional response, your attack in Iraq was not a proportional response, they were the actions of a superpower who acted out of their own special interests and wholesale paranoia. We had the same mindset as you do and it has been found to be falseQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Unfortunately, you somehow misread my very plainly worded statement. I clearly was speaking of the Taliban, and not a general population. And if you are trying to liken our experience in Afghanistan to our experience in Vietnam, then possibly you don't know enough about one, the other, or both.Quote:
You have just described a war crime.
Yet there you are sharing yet another military encounter with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes it is hard to find anywhere to practice these days in company and we all need to try out new weapons and use up old onesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You could always practice with you're neighbors or deal with your unprofessionals. Ain't you guys got laws for atrocities?
Oh yes indeed we do, we just stripped the citizenship off a terrorist and while we don't usually have to deal with war crimes committed by our military, they will suffer justice without exception or excuseQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Stuff happens and you just have to deal with it. Can't knock you for that.
yes tal a lot of unnecessary stuff happens
In a press conference on Monday, Prime Minister Scott Morrison strongly condemned a “falsified” and “repugnant” image of an Australian soldier posted online by Chinese diplomat Zhao Lijian. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation reports that the image, which depicts a soldier carrying out an act of violence against a child, was created by an artist who “often makes politically-charged statements”, and was shared on social media in China. Foreign Ministry Spokesperson, Hua Chunying, responded to Morrison’s request for an apology by saying the alleged crimes committed by Australian soldiers in Afghanistan are “shocking and hair-raising.” The incident comes weeks after an inquiry into the alleged conduct of Australian special forces in Afghanistan found war crimes were committed.
Australia demands China apologise for posting 'repugnant' fake image - BBC News
How about that? Fake news from China.
Unfortunately the news from China isn't all fake, China has initiated a trade war with Australia and I'll bet our so called allies will take advantage of this and jump into supplying what were our markets led of course by our fair weather friend, the US of A."the Usury States of Amnesia "you do realise that we are now on the front line of your trade war with China. No matter we will find other markets for our products, they demand a premium in the world
https://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...e6467e4f9ded10
Every time you make a foolish comment like that, it makes me more and more inclined to tell the Aussies to learn how to speak Chinese. You need to remember that we absolutely owe you guys nothing.Quote:
the US of A."the Usury States of Amnesia "
Don't panic, the dufus has been evicted and we just have to let the process play out. Cleaning up his mess will take longer. Let China beetch.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
We owe our allies the dignity of commitment to the alliances and relationships we have formed as they do us. Beetching and throwing shade PUBLICLY to please his base and look like a tough guy ain't the way to go for a POTUS. That's but one reason he was booted from office.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
TDS. terrible disease.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Unlike you I have been to China. The Chinese people are ok but just like yours their government can be obnoxiousQuote:
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Still blaming US for your vassal status with China Clete.
China aint Beetching .Xi is the man of the year for installing Quid into the White House .Quote:
Don't panic, the dufus has been evicted and we just have to let the process play out. Cleaning up his mess will take longer. Let China beetch.
We don't do as much business with them as you do, most of our trade is export, most of yours is import, speaking of vassals, but what is the useQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
We could survive without their imports and have already expanded our supply chain to other nations . We could easily survive without Chinese imports .Yours has been too dependent on China ;and because of that you have always been vulnerable to blowback by China. China is going to do the same thing ;diversify their supply chain. Much of your exports are replaceable . So they can use trade to put political pressure on you. They are doing the same to Canada and the UK so you are not alone .
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I never can quite get by this. People insult the United States daily, but when trouble appears, the question is, "What will you do to help us?"
we don't expect you to help us, as we have observed previously, you are opportunist and will help yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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