https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/m...0e52a9708fc529

Mayalsia's Madhatir is back. This man has incited Muslim violence again and he does it like the coward he is, because he is far from the action and unlikely to suffer consequences. When he was PM he incited Muslim violence and now he is doing it again. You expect people who had some power to exercise restraint, well what I say is may 1,000 asian elephants shlt on his lawn

An Australian PM once called this man recalcitrant but my name for him is stronger, he is a typical Muslim dickhead

did he incite or was he just flapping his gums ?

What I find more disturbing is Twitter's consistent double standard when it comes to monitoring it's site and it's decision about who and why someone's posting should be deleted . I give great credit to the administrator of this site for the wide latitude given to freely express an opinion . That is not the case on Twitter ,which has a near monopoly to the point that news outlets will frequently use that platform to introduce news items .

Ted Cruz in Senate hearings on big tech selective censorship ripped into Twitter owner Jack Dorsey about this issue .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSd2NKT_otQ

Twitter claims it censors death threats ;and routinely censor Trump because his tweets could “inspire harm,” . But when the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for the genocide of Israeli's on Twitter ,they claimed that his tweets pass as “commentary on political issues of the day”.

Doesn't take much to get a nutcase excited. They tend to be already excited. Does the internet need clear rules of the road? Definitely, as obviously self policing isn't a great idea, but it has to be a global thing. Then there is that dark web where the nuts actually hang out.

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I give great credit to the administrator of this site for the wide latitude given to freely express an opinion .

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That was not true when a moderator here deleted a post I made because the mod was "suspicious" of what I wrote. Yes, the word he used was "suspicious". This moderator later deleted other posts of mine simply because they were in disagreement with his religious beliefs. I notified management and they were upset and would "immediately" look into the problem.

That was a long time ago and I'm still waiting for the management person to "immediately" look into the problem.

The site itself, developed by Roel, is excellent and one of the best to navigate in to ensure accuracy of questions and answers.

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obviously self policing isn't a great idea,

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Self-policing is NEVER a good idea - whether accountants or law enforcement.

what?

Big Brother, Clete. We need Big Brother looking over our shoulders at all times. A large, mighty, well financed, all-wise central gov is the key to policing.

what you need is someone watching the politicians

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what you need is someone watching the politicians

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Yep. And we need many fewer of them.

politicians or watchers?

Politicians, or at least that's true in my view. The press should be the watchers, but over here they are largely so politically biased that it simply doesn't work well.

no you need something more effective than the press, a judicial body separate from the courts

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a judicial body separate from the courts

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Who would appoint them, the politicians?

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no you need something more effective than the press, a judicial body separate from the courts

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A judicial body separate from the judicial body now? How/where does it end? Are there turtles all the way down? (That's a famous answer to the origin of the universe. It fits here).

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A judicial body separate from the judicial body now? How/where does it end? Are there turtles all the way down?

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Well said

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(That's a famous answer to the origin of the universe. It fits here).

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Famous answer indeed.

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Who would appoint them, the politicians?

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We have some here called the Crime Commission and the Independent Commission against Corruption they are set up under legislation with Parliamentary inquiry powers and completely independent of the judiciary. They investigate cases of corruption referred to them by parliament or the public and have been instrumental in bringing many corrupt politicians to justice. you might say they are a local version of the FBI but don't have federal jurisdiction

Who appoints them?

The parliament, in fact, a federal body is being considered on the heals of signs of corruption in the public service and no doubt it will look at the role of some former politicians in deals with China. some very embarassing facts were recently disclosed in a senate hearing

An independent commission which has the job of overseeing the people who appointed its members?

Yes but once set up is independent and can only be removed by act of parliament which is very hard to do. What happens is a member of parliament, etc, is stood down during the enquiry. If found guilty there would be criminal proceedings

I can't help but believe that those members of this group were appointed by pols who, for whatever reason, have many of them in their back pockets. It's just the nature of politics. Our independent prosecutors probably try and do a better job, but even that gets saturated with politics before it's over. A small, clearly focused government was, in the view of our founders, the best answer to corruption. Sadly, we have gotten far away from that.

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" it aint the press . They have become the propaganda division of the Democratic Party .

Exactly correct, as their refusal to even touch the Biden email story showed clearly.

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Exactly correct, as their refusal to even touch the Biden email story showed clearly.

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You mean Rudy Giuliani's email story?

Thank goodness the Trump kiddos have no financial connections with any foreign governments!

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financial connections with any foreign governments!

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The Biden family has that covered.

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The Biden family has that covered.

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Naw, Ivanka has outdone any and all of them with her China business dealings.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" it aint the press . They have become the propaganda division of the Democratic Party .

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Fox News? - RT? - OAN? - Limbaugh - Hannity/Ingraham/Carlson? - ??

What you call the propaganda division of the Democratic Party, most people call the truth.

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Naw, Ivanka has outdone any and all of them with her China business dealings.

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Yeah. That was made clear by all those emails that were discovered on the hard drive. No, wait. Those were about Hunter and Joe Biden. Sorry.

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Yeah. That was made clear by all those emails that were discovered on the hard drive. No, wait. Those were about Hunter and Joe Biden. Sorry.

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No emails 'cause she's been very vocal about them.

Having business relations with China is not a problem. There is nothing at all illegal about it. Having business relations with China and then, from what the evidence certainly seems to say, lying about it is certainly a big problem.

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Yes, there is. She's a member of the WH staff.

So what?

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So what?

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She's above the law?

What law?

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Oh, stop it! You sound like a little kid.

Ivanka had legit business dealings in China prior to Trump being President . There would be nothing illegal with Hunter having business dealings either . However if he got those dealings by leveraging his father's position in government in exchange for favors or advantages that his father can give ;and giving kick backs to his father then what we are looking at is racketeering . Hunter's emails more than prove that relationship with revelations of at least a 10% kick back to Quid
One of them was a Hunter rant when he said " “I hope you all can do what I did, and pay for everything for this entire family for 30 years and it has been tough. It’s really hard but don’t worry, unlike Pop, I won’t make you give me half your salary.”

An honest review of Hunter Biden’s career since he was booted from the Navy shows clearly that he, along with Quid's brother James, have been trading on their family name (in James case for decades), cashing in on the implication ; and sometimes the explicit argument , that giving money to a member of Quid's family wins the favor of Quid . Before Hunter it was Beau who was to be the point man to this scheme ;probably reluctantly . But James had no qualms . He and Hunter got Beau involved in the possible purchase of Paradigm Global Advisors. James Biden told executives there he’d have no problem bringing in people looking for an in with Quid , who was a Senator at the time. James Biden told officials with the firm.[“We’ve got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden,” I found this is an investigative report in left wing Politico from last year before the press began to circle the wagon around Quid .

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ampaign-227407

Beau told James “This can never leave this room, and if you ever say it again, I will have nothing to do with this.” “We’ve got investors lined up in a line of 747s filled with cash ready to invest in this company,” a Paradigm executive recalls James saying ;all on the promise of getting an in with the Senator .

Chris Heinz ,son of JFKerry objected to Hunter becoming involved in Burisma for the same reason. “Mr. Heinz strongly warned Mr. Archer that working with Burisma was unacceptable. Archer(nephew of mobster Whitey Bulger ) stated that he and Hunter Biden intended to pursue the opportunity as individuals, not as part of the firm,” the Washington Compost reported. “The lack of judgment in this matter was a major catalyst for Mr. Heinz ending his business relationships with Mr. Archer and Mr. Biden.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...7e0_story.html

I believe that Hunter left his computers in the shop because he wanted secretly wanted this to end. He is a conflicted man . On the computer is clear evidence that he is troubled by drug addiction at a minimum . But I have no proof of intent . The proof now is with the Justice Dept. backed up by eye witness accounts by a former business partner who was a Naval Officer .

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And she, as senior advisor to the US president, still has them.

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Oh, stop it! You sound like a little kid.

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You never, ever have an answer. Never. There is no law to prevent IT from doing business with China or any other country. This gets tiresome.

Since lying to the public and shady business dealings are okay then that sure doesn't disqualify Joe from being the next prez. So what's the problem?

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HUNTER BIDEN: I get calls from my father to tell me that The New York Times is calling but my old partner Eric, who literally has done me harm for I don’t know how long, is the one taking the calls because my father will not stop sending the calls to Eric.

I have another New York Times reporter calling about my representation of Patrick Ho – the f- ing spy chief of China who started the company that my partner, who is worth $323 billion, founded and is now missing. The richest man in the world is missing who was my partner.

He was missing since I last saw him in his $58 million apartment inside a $4 billion deal to build the f-ing largest f- ing LNG port in the world. And I am receiving calls from the Southern District of New York from the U.S. Attorney himself.

My best friend in business Devon has named me as a witness without telling me in a criminal case and my father without telling me.

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https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusi...hief-and-sdny/

Now if this was a child of Trump you know and I know that this would've been front page in the Slimes and Compost and the lead story in every major network news for weeks .

So let's stop pretending that this is normal business for a Senator and VP of the country .