Besides bullying and interrupting anyone within earshot including Moderator Wallace and opponent Biden, Trump explicitly revealed what everyone already knew - that he supports white supremacy.

Chris Wallace: "Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down..."

Trump: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by!"

That was mild compared to his constant loud interruptions and talking over Chris Wallace and Biden. It was a disgraceful performance by a US president.

If this wasn't an utter debacle and a darn shame I don't know what is. 90 minutes of the dufus being the dufus is just too much crap to endure.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjLMl5bU...png&name=small

Here is the complete exchange in context that the left has misquoted for the last 4 years .

He has repeatedly condemned racists and right wing extremists . Clearly many times more than Quid has condemned the "concept "(snicker) of antifa .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

Are you really comparing stand back and stand down with cease and desist as Joe said in his Amtrack stop? There is no clearer racist message than the dufus gave and that's why the proud boys are celebrating acknowledgment from their leader.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...l-out-n1241512

Even Repub Senator Tim Scott said,

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-sen-tim-s...154900757.html

'If he doesn't correct it, I guess he didn't misspeak'

Need more links let me know.

Very interesting that he keeps urging that something be done about Antifa, does he actually have a clue what they stand for ?!
The consequences are extremely worrying, not just for America, but for the rest of the world.
There was a slight skirmish fought in the mid 40's along antifa lines, do we really want to continue down that line again...

Tomder misrepresents Trump in his quote of what Trump said.

When Trump says "sure", he does NOT mean "Sure, I condemn white supremacists". What he DOES mean is, "Sure, go ahead with your question, Chris". Totally obvious to anyone who watched the debate which, btw, Tomder tells us he did NOT watch it.

Today, Trump backtracked on what he said. In the WH driveway "presser", he's now saying "back down" instead of what he originally said. And he's getting law enforcement into the mix. All the while, the Proud Boys are going wild all over social media declaring their undying gratitude to Trump for his support.

Doesn't Trump realize millions saw the debate and see him today. Does he know he's on television? Is anyone testing him for drug use? Is he allowed to watch tv without adult supervision?

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Doesn't Trump realize millions saw the debate and see him today. Is anyone testing him for drug use?

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Was there a drug test for Biden and Trump before the debate, as Trump had tossed out as a possibility? While watching Trump's antics and mostly unchained bad behavior last night, I decided he had temporarily weaned himself off (or been weaned off) his Adderal and opioids so his test would be clean.

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When Trump says "sure", he does NOT mean "Sure, I condemn white supremacists". What he DOES mean is, "Sure, go ahead with your question, Chris". Totally obvious to anyone who watched the debate which, btw,

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The same question came up on a Facebook thread. My response was, "Sure, sure" were tRump's encouraging words to Wallace to keep talking, like "I'm here and listening." Someone else suggested, "sure sure " isn't an encouragement...it's a dismissal.

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does he actually have a clue what they stand for ?

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Please don't get fooled into believing the "Anti-fascist" lie that gets told about them .

Antifaschistische Aktion is the German group they originate from. They presumably were on the so called polar opposites in Weimar Germany from fascists .But both sides goal was the same ;the overthrow of liberal democracy in Germany. The Antifaschistische Aktion was the milita of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) . They were funded by the Soviet Union. They fought for the overthrow of Social Democracy as much as they were fighting the German fascists .The KPD use of the word " Anti-facist "was used broadly to oppose anything anti-Stalinist .

They went underground during Hitler's reign. They reemerged in various manifestations after WWII.

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Antifa would reestablish itself in the early 1980s, also in Germany, out of Autonomism. Autonomism is an anti-authoritarian anarcho-Marxist ideology associated with the Communist urban guerilla organizations of 1970s and ’80s Europe like Red Army Faction and the Red Brigade. Autonomism would find a home among the young punks of Germany’s squatters’ rights movement. Around this time, Antifa tactics like the “black block,” where large numbers of rioters dress in black and move together in formation as part of a larger protest, were developed.

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https://americanmind.org/essays/the-...ory-of-antifa/

In the US they are decedents of the 1960s and 1970s Weathermen Underground and other leftist domestic terrorist groups . The difference is that they are loosely formed ;learning from the failures of groups like the Weather Underground .The leadership of the Weather Underground had become household names .But they were often driven underground because of their high profile . The ones who survived infiltrated the universities and in the ranks of the main stream media and politics to teach the next generation

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Antifa, with its anarchist outer structure and plausible deniability, allows the radical Left to have their cake and eat it too.
And now, with the successful promulgation of the radical message of America as bastion of white supremacy by presidential candidates, cable news anchors, and generations of tenured professors, Antifa is unlikely to lack for recruits and support—rhetorical or otherwise—any time in the near future.
In all turbulent periods of revolutionary politics, whether the 1930s, 1970s, or today, the ability to project force on the streets to punish enemies is a valuable asset. For the Left today, Antifa is that force.

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When Trump says "sure", he does NOT mean "Sure, I condemn white supremacists". What he DOES mean is, "Sure, go ahead with your question, Chris". Totally obvious to anyone who watched the debate which, btw, Tomder tells us he did NOT watch it.

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In your looking glass world you can make words mean anything you want them to mean. And yes I watched the debate on line this morning as I said I would

LOL, to this day the nuance of language still vexes us humans just as it always has. Don't care how you parse it, a loon is a loon, left or right. FRINGERS!

"Mr. Biden, will the democrats pack the Supreme Court if you are elected?" "Mr. Wallace, I'll have to check with my wife on that one. I'll get back to you."

"Mr. Biden, did you call the Oregon governor or the Portland mayor and tell them to put an end to the violence? After all, you said earlier that you yourself are the democrat party." "What?? I'm not the VP now!" "Yes, but did you call or do anything?" "Yes, I was critical of Donald Trump!"

Two questions he completely dodged. The first one is the most concerning. Harris, the real top of the ticket, has dodged it twice now. Guess what that means??

https://scontent.fsyd3-1.fna.fbcdn.n...33&oe=5F9956B3

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"Mr. Biden, will the democrats pack the Supreme Court if you are elected?" "Mr. Wallace, I'll have to check with my wife on that one. I'll get back to you."

"Mr. Biden, did you call the Oregon governor or the Portland mayor and tell them to put an end to the violence? After all, you said earlier that you yourself are the democrat party." "What?? I'm not the VP now!" "Yes, but did you call or do anything?" "Yes, I was critical of Donald Trump!"

Two questions he completely dodged. The first one is the most concerning. Harris, the real top of the ticket, has dodged it twice now. Guess what that means??

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The bigger question is why you crawled in bed with a blatant racists and have yet to get out of it? Do judges and tax cuts mean that much?

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The bigger question is why you crawled in bed with a blatant racists and have yet to get out of it?

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The even bigger question is why people are believing that fake news. There is no evidence that Trump is associated with white supremacist groups. There is, however, plenty of evidence that Harris/Biden is associated with the black supremacist group called BLM, and that they will pack the Supreme Court if they are elected.

Another good question is how Biden can say they don’t support the “Green New Deal” when their website says the candidate “believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face”?

Quid refused to answer some of the biggest questions of the campaign . Will he agree with the Dem plan to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate ,and will he go along with their plan to stack the court ? He also said that he was the Democratic Party when we know that just isn't so . He is their marionette . He lied and said he did not support the Green New Deal and admitted he did support it when he defended it and said it is self funding .
Perhaps the biggest moment of the debate was at the end when Trump brought up the subject that it is now known that BEFORE Crossfire Hurricane that Brennan briefed the emperor that Evita's campaign was getting assistance from the Russians to smear Trump with the phony charge that the Russians were assisting his campaign . Instead of putting an end to it ;the emperor allowed the police and intel agencies of the Federal Government to launch a counter intel campaign against their political opposition ;and to feed false evidence to the FISA court to spy on the Trump campaign . The emperor was briefed that the reason for this Evita misdirection was to diver attention from the investigation into her emails .

Comey and Strzok were both also briefed . They launched Crossfire Hurricane even after they knew the truth . (hat tip to Quid's corner man Chris Wallace for not pursuing that line of questioning even though the news had come out the morning of the debate . )

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo...GNED-FINAL.pdf

This is Trump's complete quote from Cville, and shows clearly how outrageous it was for Wallace to ask the question about white supremacists.

"Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit: “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Isn't it strange that some on this site will praise the "protesters" who go about burning and looting, and yet can't seem to read and understand simple English in the case of Trump and his comments on protesters.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...of_139815.html

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The even bigger question is why people are believing that fake news. There is no evidence that Trump is associated with white supremacist groups. There is, however, plenty of evidence that Harris/Biden is associated with the black supremacist group called BLM, and that they will pack the Supreme Court if they are elected.

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When you tell people of color, that serve in congress no less to go back where they came from, then you are a racists. When you suggest the president of the USA that he is a foreigner, you are a racists. You don't have to be a card carrying white supremist to be a racist, and it's fake news to claim BLM is a black supremist group. It's as false an equivalency
as when the NAACP was labeled a black racist group. So there is plenty of evidence to say the dufus is a BLATANT racist in words and deeds, and I understand you dodging the question and deflecting it to others, but still no direct answer to a direct question.

Just trying to understand why you are still defending this racists. Or maybe we should discuss your evidence that BLM is a black supremist group. Either way express yourself.

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When you tell people of color, that serve in congress no less to go back where they came from, then you are a racists.

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When did Trump tell someone to go back where they came from because they were black?

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When you suggest the president of the USA that he is a foreigner, you are a racists.

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Trump never suggested Obama was a "foreigner", and he certainly never was critical of his race. But I do congratulate you. You can now get your press credentials after demonstrating your considerable talents at concocting fake news. Or is it just your TDS manifesting?

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it's fake news to claim BLM is a black supremist group. It's as false an equivalency

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Oh? If there was a WLM, you would be at the front of the line to label it a white supremacist group. As for the NAACP, if it was the NAAWP, you would be quick to label it as WS. Why the double standard?

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So there is plenty of evidence to say the dufus is a BLATANT racist in words and deeds, and I understand you dodging the question and deflecting it to others, but still no direct answer to a direct question.

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Plenty of evidence? You haven't stated a single one. Does that mean there is so much evidence that you can't find any?

And in case you missed it, there is this. This is Trump's complete quote from Cville, and shows clearly how outrageous it was for Wallace to ask the question about white supremacists.

"Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit: “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Isn't it strange that some on this site will praise the "protesters" who go about burning and looting, and yet can't seem to read and understand simple English in the case of Trump and his comments on protesters.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...of_139815.html

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When did Trump tell someone to go back where they came from because they were black?

Trump never suggested Obama was a "foreigner", and he certainly never was critical of his race. But I do congratulate you. You can now get your press credentials after demonstrating your considerable talents at concocting fake news. Or is it just your TDS manifesting? Oh? If there was a WLM, you would be at the front of the line to label it a white supremacist group. As for the NAACP, if it was the NAAWP, you would be quick to label it as WS. Why the double standard?

Plenty of evidence? You haven't stated a single one. Does that mean there is so much evidence that you can't find any?

And in case you missed it, there is this. This is Trump's complete quote from Cville, and shows clearly how outrageous it was for Wallace to ask the question about white supremacists.

"Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit: “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Isn't it strange that some on this site will praise the "protesters" who go about burning and looting, and yet can't seem to read and understand simple English in the case of Trump and his comments on protesters.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...of_139815.html

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Nobody on this forum has praised rioters and looters. They have unanimously been condemned, even while you try to put protestors and criminals in the same basket. You can't see the difference nor want to and that's a great excuse for you not to listen, and not care what they are protesting about and interject your own clumsy narrative. The dufus wouldn't have to walk back or clarify later his comments if he wasn't so clumsy and loose with his mouth in the first place. He's a bully and he can't help himself, but we all know he needs the racists vote, and must feed red meat to them too. Racist understand that too, so condemning them later is just part of the game. Of course it's less reported, Our side is trying to win an election too, and getting rid of the dufus is a high emotional priority, so maybe he should be more mindful of what he says from the bully pulpit.

You don't get to ignore what he says at rallies and pressers and holler fake news at what comes out of his mouth.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/237c1...ormat&fit=max&
who is Enrique Tarrio ? He is the leader of the 'Proud Boys' .He certainly looks like a White Supremist to me .


https://www.kcbd.com/resizer/RgmaW0m...2000_v3_1_.jpg

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looks more cuban to me

Good research Tom,

https://celebpie.com/enrique-tarrio/

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The dufus wouldn't have to walk back or clarify later his comments if he wasn't so clumsy and loose with his mouth in the first place.

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Or if people would simply pay a little attention.

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You don't get to ignore what he says at rallies and pressers and holler fake news at what comes out of his mouth.

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Well, you would actually have to give an accurate quote for us to be able to analyze it. You haven't, so we haven't.

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Nobody on this forum has praised rioters and looters. They have unanimously been condemned, even while you try to put protestors and criminals in the same basket.

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I don't recall you being willing to admit that many of the protesters were, in fact, criminals. Now that you have, that is good to hear.

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Well, you would actually have to give an accurate quote for us to be able to analyze it. You haven't, so we haven't.

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We have the tape of his comments, and the walk backs later and goes back to what I said about his thoughtless incompetent abusive use of the bully pulpit.

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I don't recall you being willing to admit that many of the protesters were, in fact, criminals. Now that you have, that is good to hear.

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Nice try but many of the protestors are not criminals and it's more accurate to say that many of the criminals are protestors too.

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We have the tape of his comments,

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If you are talking about the silly nonsense from Cville, I gave you the transcript of what he said. It doesn't agree with your preconceived notions, so rather than admit that your version is wrong, you just blew right by it.

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Nice try but many of the protestors are not criminals and it's more accurate to say that many of the criminals are protestors too.

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You say to-may-toe, and I say to-mah-toe. Have it your way. I'm just glad to see that you are willing, at last, to acknowledge it.

I gave other examples of his racism yet you conveniently ignored them to cherry pick your own rather dubious timeline deficient one. Even given the benefit of a doubt for your example this rabble rousing dufus has said a lot more than one thing and often doubled down on his despicable hate speech as recently as his rally in Duluth, MN. the other day. He just keeps running his mouth telling whoppers every single day.

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You came up with two silly examples of Trump supposedly telling people to go back to where they came from which is not at all a racist comment, and of him supposedly calling Obama "a foreigner" which, again, is not racist and which, as far as I know, didn't even take place. And I say "supposedly" since I have no idea if those events even happened. So you are still sitting on zero.

Didn't bother factchecking me? You should do that before you tell an old black guy he doesn't know racism when he sees it.

It's YOUR job to make sure that what you post is accurate. No, wait. I forgot your motto. "I don't need evidence."

Still sitting on zero. I wait patiently.

You're at zero too as your evidence of the dufus denouncing racists groups was not only in error, but written by his former campaign manager, and advisor, so dubious at best.

Just the facts.

OK. I'm going to make this as simple as I possibly can. These are the words of Donald Trump. I know that because it has these little things called quotation marks around them. “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” Now I just don't know how to make it any easier to understand.

Here it is from another site using a different occasion.

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Two days later, on Aug. 14, 2017, Trump issued a statement from the White House, and referred to “KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/tr...-supremacists/

So I don't know what else to tell you. Sometimes I think you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the backside. For you to say, "your evidence of the dufus denouncing racists groups was not only in error," when it was TRUMP'S OWN WORDS that I was presenting is just beyond unbelievable. Do you see that? TRUMP'S OWN WORDS was what I used. HIS OWN WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tuesday evening during the debate, Trump said: “If Pocahontas would have left [the race] two days earlier, you would've lost every primary on Super Tuesday.”

"He's a Mexican,” Trump told CNN of Judge Gonzolo Curiel. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”

I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump was a leading proponent of “birtherism,” the racist conspiracy theory that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is thus an illegitimate president. Trump claimed in 2011 to have sent people to Hawaii to investigate whether Obama was really born there. He insisted at the time that the researchers “cannot believe what they are finding.”

Sadly, I have learned to double check your "facts". Let's start with the lazy comment which is a lie.

What's True. Donald Trump once tweeted, "Sadly, because president Obama has done such a poor job as president, you won't see another black president for generations!"What's False. Trump did not utter the full statement, "Laziness is a trait in blacks ... I believe that ... No black person will be president again any time soon."

This was so easy to fact check that I'm embarrassed for you that you did not do it yourself. Took all of two minutes.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...ait-in-blacks/

As to the comment about the Mexican judge, the reference was to him being prejudiced in favor of Mexican interests. You know, in the same way you are displaying your prejudice against Trump.

Birtherism is racist in what way? It was much more likely simply political.

Pocahontas is Trump's way of highlighting Senator Warren's lie about being of American Indian heritage. If you are suggesting that we should be outraged by her despicable use of a racial lie, then I would agree with you, but there is nothing racist about Trump's comment.

You will have to try much harder and get over your clear prejudice against the pres.

Low information voters think Trump has never denounced racists. High information voters have seen compilation clips of him doing it forcefully and repeatedly.

Ha, ha, JL. I made ya google!!!

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I do it all the time. Unlike you, I try and verify material before I post it.

Such as these plainly racist comments by Mr. Biden.

“You got the first mainstream African American (Obama) who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

Racist slur of Jewish people. “That people would come to him and talk about what was happening to them at home in terms of foreclosures, in terms of bad loans that were being … I mean these Shylocks who took advantage of, um, these women and men while overseas.”

Or this white supremacist moment! “We should challenge students in these schools. We have this notion that somehow if you’re poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

You can find others here. I hope you are developing a taste for truth.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...-years-n673531