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The state of Victoria (Australia) has been shut down, businesses forced to close and a curfew imposed. So lawless and uncooperative were the Victorians that extreme measures have been implemented for their own protection as well as the protection of the community.
CV19 have been escalating there in recent weeks and Victorians have carried the virus to other states. State borders are closed to Victorians
You see ;the problem is that they were not "peacefully protesting " in Melbourne . Had they been doing that they could've not worn masks ,not social distanced ,and still would've been immune from the effects of the virus. By lawless and uncooperative I gather you don't mean arson ,looting ,throwing projectiles at police. You mean going about their lives as free people .
No by lawless and uncooperative I mean behaving like outlaws, flauting the laws, crossing borders against embagos, not isolating when directed, spreading the virus, holding unnecessary demonstrations, behaving like idiots
Only the loons think they are free to spread a disease during a pandemic. I suppose that's okay in their own yards, but not in somebody else's yard. Unlike here though Clete, a few cases has triggered a reaction where a thousand deaths a day get's people wondering what the big deal is.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The thing is tal we don't have a thousand deaths a day, we have ten and it is big, because that just doesn't happen here, I mean people in their seventies, eighties and nineties dying unnecessarily and hundreds of disease ridden people walking the streets without masks and signs, there is nothing else to do but panic, the zombie apocalypse is upon usQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Places like NY and the northeast and California, jumped on their outbreaks early and aggressively, and are still in the slowly reopening stage, and yes rising confirmed cases in some spots while it rages through other states but I think the message is becoming clear...be ready to slowdown or stop whatever your doing and reset, much to the disgust of citizens and lawmakers who want a full recovery economically but the virus is the boss. Something republicans hate. That's the weakness we have is capitalists repubs can't accept a virus dictating there lives, or having to help businesses and citizens through this pandemic.
Unfortunately some make the choice to panic and rebel against common sense.
NY and California are not all that . The little dictator in NJ is putting restrictions back on and here in NY il duce brags about the state's response . But it sucked and his slow reopen is a crawl . You will see him crying that NY needs Federal $$$ because he killed NY 's economy . All he does is talk a good game . He killed thousands of elderly and then dares to brag about what a good job he did ? For shame that faccia di scroto!
Repubs are doing such a great jobs in the south that their numbers have soared past the dems in the northeast, but we won't compare.
You moved the goal posts . Originally the restrictions were to not overwhelm the health care system dealing with a virus we know nothing about except flawed models . As Clet pointed out already . We can't prevent the spread . You playing Dem v Rep . fine . I think that suddenly after Nov 3 that suddenly the Dem panic will subside . Anyway got to go now . Just had a branch from my 100 ft sycamore land on my covered porch . Had a hurricane that decided to run up the Hudson Valley rather than follow the gulf stream . Net is in and out
15 days to flatten the curve Remember that lie ? To answer my question .What did the first lock down buy us ? a larger second wave.
if this is true are you willing to shut down the economy for years ?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/we...?ocid=msedgntp
Biggest crime wave in NYC history . il Duce takes no responsibility for it even though half the state's population lives in NYC . But ;let there be a crowded bar and il duce is right on top of it .
Yeah he has his priorities right ,
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EemSNqlX...pg&name=medium
They screwed up and fixed it, so we have the other 56% to lay the blame with.
Overwhelming the system by slowing the spread was the reasons behind the shutdown. You're supposed to reopen slowly and be ready for adjustments as the data dictates. Even NY didn't shutdown completely, as you well know, and most white collar folks work from home.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Florida thanks NC and NY. Stay safe. Tis the season.
Bought you time to catch a break and do the smart thing. I don't know about a second wave as you're still in the first one like the rest of us are.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Heckuva challenge for sure but we rise to it or drown in covid shat. It's a global challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
its a chinese challenge, China has no where near the rate of infection, ask yourself why? a genetically engineered virus?
Guess we'll find out, but I'm more worried about saving my own arse at this point, and keeping it safe. Conspiracy theories pale with the reality of the here and now. There has always been the haves and have nots, so nothing new there, and people find ways around the rules rich, or poor. Money, and the lack of it are tremendous motivators.
yes Tal stay covid safe, mask up, isolate up. the reality is we are all surrounded by idiots who think it is a conspiracy aimed at curtailing their freedoms to do dumb things
Copy that! Though any excuse will do for loons wanting to do dumb stuff. Poor humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I asked myself and I came up with a possible answer. They ain't telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You think they have found a cure and don't want to share it? Their cure was shutdown followed by lies and intimidation or so they would have us believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
No, I suspect they're not telling us about cases, tests, deaths, how widespread, etc. I don't think they have come up with a cure for the simple reason that they would exploit that information all over the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes they are quick to tell us how good they are and slow to give any information. The comms in China live in fear of being seen as anything but great managers and world leaders
Whatever the agenda, actions, words or behavior of the Chinese, it would be a mistake to dismiss them or not acknowledge that they are as capable and as formidable a people as any in the world. Global finances are scrambled and even they feel the pinch, and I would not underestimate their will to survive and thrive by whatever means they deem necessary just like the rest of the world. Xi, and China just don't have the impulsive big mouth that the dufus has, nor the impulsive reactions to his words, or anybody else's for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Unlike the dufus though Xi, and Vlad aren't trying to desperately hold onto their power and influence and neither are big goofs either.
Xi has an atrocious record on human rights, far worse than anything Trump has ever done. Vlad is a murderer and has seized the Russian economy for the benefit of himself and his cronies, far worse than anything Trump has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
This is not to absolve Trump who is easily the worst president and public figure this nation has ever produced. I have no doubt that given the power of the other two Trump would be their equal in tyranny. But he's not there yet, and he never will be if enough US voters cast an intelligent ballot on November 3.
It is all relative, Trump hasn't implemented any "reeducation" camps, or restricted religious freedoms, he just doesn't like riots, ah the quiet life, don't we all yearn for it
Let's hope the American peeps puts an end to the dufus steady march toward inhuman authoritarianism, and lying, cheating, stealing, bully tactics. He has managed to surround himself with sycophants and enablers to carry out his tyranny effectively while dismantling and degrading our checks, balances and oversight mechanisms.
Maybe because you have migrant camps and detention centers yourself you can overlook the ones the dufus has set up here, or by his lies that equate lawful protestors with rioters Clete, it's easy to buy into that disturbing the peace meme and ignore the whole reason for the protests in the first place which is decades and even centuries of terrorism and brutality against minorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You shouldn't buy Kool-Aid from a snake oil salesmen.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
I definately think you have been drinking the koolaid, the only detention centres we have are for those who come here illegally and, of course, criminals. We abandoned migrant camps in the last century, back in the days when we were accepting the displaced of Europe. Lawfull protesters are those who wave a placard, march down a street and go home. Like you we have no shortage of them although what they are protesting about appears a little vague and borrowed, however, we lack the police brutality and violence that gives rise to your demonstrations
I ain't drinking YOUR Kool-Aid or snake oil or spin to sanitize those camps/centers for those you deem undesirables.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The issues are vastly different it seems between our counties.Quote:
Lawfull protesters are those who wave a placard, march down a street and go home. Like you we have no shortage of them although what they are protesting about appears a little vague and borrowed, however, we lack the police brutality and violence that gives rise to your demonstrations
There are very few people left in those camps, a few die hards who won't accept the generous offer to go home or relocateQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
yes indeed we don't have millions of illegals and thousands of deportations so I think you should clean up your own mess before preaching to othersQuote:
The issues are vastly different it seems between our counties.
You don't have hundreds of millions of people, nor the attraction for millions of people either. Population brings it's own set of issues and messes to clean up and fix. Nobody is preaching to you so don't get your nose in a snit.
We won't have hundreds of millions, not because this is not a desirable place from a distance, but people cannot simply walk in. There are millions who would like to come here, however, not being blessed with water as you are, the land could not support them. The organisation of your society is in no way superior to ours, as demonstrated by those issues you speak of, and untill you can deal with them, you should devote your resources to the taskQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
this is true The Aussies are sucking the Great Artisan aquifer dry though gross mismanagement .
Now look who is giving advice. Few places in the world don't have issues to deal with and that includes the oldest, and those that have long disappeared, changed, or moved. So really none have superiority, and all can be considered a works in progress. I never saw us as being superior to you Aussies Clete, just bigger, stronger, meaner, and more aggressive. Not saying you are not good capable people at all, but like us you have snobs and loons to deal with as well as your own unique issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Don't all societies and cultures?
Yes you certainly areQuote:
just bigger, stronger, meaner, and more aggressive.
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The Aussies are sucking the Great Artisan aquifer dry though gross mismanagement
I don't think aquifer is the correct term and yes it is the only water there but then how else do you tame arid lands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...d%20Australia.
we all suffer the same issues to different degrees, the only thing that makes them unique is attitude and aptitude.Quote:
your own unique issues.
LOL, from your provided link, glad your attitudes and aptitudes are a works in progress, as are ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes our attitude is we do what sustains us, our attitude is we adapt, we are not chained to the past
Not to press the point, but you deserve credit for shaking off your criminal past and finding a better way forward, and have much room for growth and development. I think eventually we will shake off this virus and the dufus and recover from our own past and be better for it. We have a history of thriving in the face of adversity, and foolish it is to bet against we won't again.
Progress isn't always pretty, but it is what we do.
pity you haven't shaken off your colonial past and CV-19 in some way is the legacy of it. There must be a reason why your nation is the worst affected in the world right now, that we know of, of course, no centralised authority, except a president who has failed to grasp the essentialsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The dufus being a failed leader is a given, but the notion that states are free to do as they see fit about the virus is a consequence of that. I'll dismiss the colonial past comment as useless blathering without explanation, since obviously we have far exceeded that and achieved an independence that has led to a global influence that even you haters have to acknowledge.
I don't begrudge the little dog for barking from the porch when the big dog walks down the street.
Yes dogs are very good at barking
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