These are some of the global reactions to Trump's incredibly moronic idea of doctors testing the injection of disinfectants into the human body to cure Covid-19.

The makers of Lysol had to go so far as to issue a statement that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should any of their products be injected, ingested or by any other route into the human body.

At the same time Trump promoted this idea, he referred to himself, pointing to his head, as "I know things, I am very....." He was interrupted before finishing his statement with "smart".

God help us from this madman.

This is his quote. “I see that disinfectant knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. By injection inside…or almost a cleaning. Cause you see it gets in the lungs and does a tremendous number on the lungs. It would be interesting to check that so you’ll have to use medical doctors,” he told Bryan following his presentation. “But it sounds interesting to me. We’ll see, but the whole concept of the light the way it goes in there in one minute. It’s pretty powerful.”

So at no place does he suggest that anyone inject themselves with Lysol. He was simply thinking out loud, which one could hope he would have learned by now not to do. It could certainly qualify as a dumb statement, but he did not say what you suggested. He did not tell anyone to do anything.

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It could certainly qualify as a dumb statement, but he did not say what you suggested. He did not tell anyone to do anything.

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To even suggest such a thing amidst this climate of fear and uncertainty is both preposterous and dangerous as well as totally bizarre and to pass it off as a dumb statement undermines his propensity for dumb statements EVERYDAY.

Injecting a poison is not a cure, there are other drugs that have been shown to be effective

ABC News reporter Jon Karl :“The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?”

Bryan:“No, I’m here to talk about the finds that we had in the study,” “We don’t do that within that lab at our labs.

”Trump :“It wouldn’t be through injections, you’re talking about almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object.”

Only complete idiots believe he meant injecting bleach or Lysol. Which makes sense considering who’s claiming he said that.

and here is the technology for using UVA internally .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

I will agree that Trump should defer to his medical experts when discussing medical issues.

Isn't it amazing how people on this board who endlessly accuse Trump of lying are so fast and loose with the truth?

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Only complete idiots believe he meant injecting bleach or Lysol. Which makes sense considering who’s claiming he said that.

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Isn't it amazing how people on this board who endlessly accuse Trump of lying are so fast and loose with the truth?

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Two of them (Republicans) hit the news when they drank fish-tank cleaner that contains a chemical Trump talked about and hyped.

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I will agree that Trump should defer to his medical experts when discussing medical issues.

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I totally agree with you, tomder! In fact, he shouldn't even mention possible cures.

yup idiots Trump never suggested to anyone to drink fish tank cleaner ,just like he did NOT suggest that anyone should inject themselves with Lysol bleach or IPA .

Trump did what he always does: he played a single person game of telephone, in which somebody gave him information, he processed it, and it came out of his mouth in a completely different way.

circa 1928 . Coolidge asks one of his scientist 'would it be possible to target nuclear radiation at a patient to cure cancer ? '

or Lincoln asked his surgeon ; Can fox glove be used to treat heart disease ?

or maybe one day Trump could ask if using low dose arsenic can potentially cure leukemia .

can the venom of a yellow scorpion help cure brain cancer ?

I know hydrogen peroxide is used topically . What if we injected it into a tumor or cyst ?

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yup idiots Trump never suggested to anyone to drink fish tank cleaner ,just like he did NOT suggest that anyone should inject themselves with Lysol bleach or IPA .

Trump did what he always does: he played a single person game of telephone, in which somebody gave him information, he processed it, and it came out of his mouth in a completely different way.

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We all agree he should leave the scientific facts to his experts, then maybe we would have to be shocked at his 'injecting disinfectant" comments, but from Dr. Binx's reactions via body language and the reporting on the reaction of staff he should definitely stick to the script, or leave before he has to answer questions, or rift from the top of his head.

That would make for a dull presser no doubt and leave the media with NOTHING new.

@Tom. what a president and his staff and experts discuss should be between them, but like you said the dufus blurts out whatever his distorted brain comes up with because there was no suggestion of using disinfectants on people, just sufaces.

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Two of them (Republicans) hit the news when they drank fish-tank cleaner that contains a chemical Trump talked about and hyped.

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Complete and total falsehood. Shame on you.

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Why is that in quotes? He did not say that.

1. Wonder if they would be alive had they not listened to the dufus?

2. Yes he did in his NYy dialect.

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Complete and total falsehood. Shame on you.

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"An Arizona man died after swallowing a chemical used in fish tank cleaners...The man and his wife both ingested chloroquine phosphate, reportedly believing it to be a miracle cure for coronavirus."
https://reason.com/2020/03/24/chloro...arizona-death/

"The man who died ingesting fish tank cleaner thinking it was the drug championed by Donald Trump to beat COVID-19 has been remembered as a 'level-headed' engineer.

Gary Lenius and his wife Wanda, both in their 60s, took chloroquine phosphate, confusing it with hydroxychloroquine, last month. Gary died and Wanda was left in critical condition after drinking the chemical."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ned-Trump.html

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Why is that in quotes? He did not say that.

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Yes, he did.

AYESHA RASCOE, NPR: Mr. President, can you clarify your comments about injections of disinfectant? They were quite provocative.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...sarcastic.html

Too many people don't recognize sarcasm when it comes from our dear leader, President Trump.

in light of today's statements I can no longer defend his comments . Also it is wise that they are pulling him back from the daily briefing .

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Yes, he did.

AYESHA RASCOE, NPR: Mr. President, can you clarify your comments about injections of disinfectant? They were quite provocative.

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You say he did, and then you quote Ayesha Rascoe. So in what way does that show that Trump made the comment?

As to the fish tank cleaner, it has been hashed and rehashed on this board. If you are saying that an older couple made a tragic mistake, then that's fine, but then we have to ask why you would even bring it up. If you are suggesting that Trump was in any reasonable manner responsible for the man's death, the you are engaging in a falsehood.

I am not defending the president's comments. He needs to learn to keep his big mouth shut, but to give these fake quotes does not help matters any.

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in light of today's statements I can no longer defend his comments . Also it is wise that they are pulling him back from the daily briefing .

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President Donald Trump no longer calls his daily press conferences “Coronavirus Task Force briefings,” but up until Friday they still usually last up to two hours, including his robust attacks on the White House press corps. Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx were absent from Friday’s briefing, which lasted only about 21 minutes.

Clearly in response to Trump’s extremely dangerous remarks Thursday, suggesting doctors test the “injection” of disinfectants into the human body to try to cure coronavirus, along with dangerous quackery of inserting ultraviolet light or heat into the body to generate a miracle coronavirus cure, the White House decided to draw a line and stop the President from answering any more questions.

“A number of Trump’s most trusted advisers — both inside and outside the White House — have urged him to stop doing marathon televised briefings,” Axios reported minutes after the briefing ended.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/tru...ection-crisis/

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You say he did, and then you quote Ayesha Rascoe. So in what way does that show that Trump made the comment?

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Here's Trump's quote plus the video is available to see if you click the link at the end of the quote:

Trump: "So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."
https://news.yahoo.com/see-full-vide...133316003.html

I have posted that quote myself. I have looked at it very carefully and do not see where Trump made reference to "injecting disinfectant". Tal made that a direct quotation, so the exact wording would have to be there. Correct?

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I have posted that quote myself. I have looked at it very carefully and do not see where Trump made reference to "injecting disinfectant". Tal made that a direct quotation, so the exact wording would have to be there. Correct?

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I bolded the "injecting disinfectant" part. Please put on your reading glasses.

instead of dissecting yesterday's statements I am concentration on his clear lies today in saying his comments were sarcastic. HE acted like he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and still denying it while his hand is still in the jar . He lost all possible credibility on this issue . Someone in the White House made the call to limit the damage by reducing the time he has at these daily briefings . I'm betting that what he says going forward will be controlled . His tweets we shall see.

Isn't the resident "grammar expert" rather disgracing herself here? First you quoted someone other than Trump. When that failed, you put a passage in bold text. Well, I put your bold section below, and then put the two words in question in bold. Now surely a bonafide "grammar expert" can see very clearly that Tal's direct quote ("injecting disinfectant") is nowhere to be found in the passage. Honestly, I'm somewhat embarrassed for you.

And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see.

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Isn't the resident "grammar expert" rather disgracing herself here? First you quoted someone other than Trump. When that failed, you put a passage in bold text. Well, I put your bold section below, and then put the two words in question in bold. Now surely a bonafide "grammar expert" can see very clearly that Tal's direct quote ("injecting disinfectant") is nowhere to be found in the passage. Honestly, I'm somewhat embarrassed for you.

And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see.

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First of all, "injecting disinfectant" is tal's shortening of Trump's rambling and horrific suggestion that a disinfectant can be injected into a human body to cure covid-19. (From tal's post #10 in this thread: "We all agree he should leave the scientific facts to his experts, then maybe we would have to be shocked at his 'injecting disinfectant' comments....")

Be sure to watch Dr. Birx's face while he's babbling on and on about the UV light and the disinfectant as hopeful cures. Today he backtracked and said he was just being sarcastic toward a journalist (*giggle giggle*).

And be sure to read my post #16 and tomder's post #20.

Oh, and there's this:

In a letter, Mark Grenon* told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

A few days after Grenon dispatched his letter, Trump went on national TV at his daily coronavirus briefing at the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus. To the astonishment of medical experts, the US president said that disinfectant “knocks it out in a minute. One minute!”

*Dubbed the "archbishop” of Genesis II – a Florida-based outfit that claims to be a church but which in fact is the largest producer and distributor of chlorine dioxide bleach as a “miracle cure” in the US. He brands the chemical as MMS, “miracle mineral solution”, and claims fraudulently that it can cure 99% of all illnesses including cancer, malaria, HIV/Aids as well as autism.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...dApp_News_Feed

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that is not dangerous quackery . The technology is there and was in use in the 1940s and 50s . It was shelved and forgotten . But the treatment exists and is being reintroduced . It is new for this application . I had posted a YouTube that was taken down by the company . But I was able to retrieve a still shot .
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-cont...0-UV-Light.jpg

It is from a company called Aytu Bioscience in partnership with

Cedars-Sinai- The machine is called

‘Healight’ Medical Device

https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b[/

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First of all, "injecting disinfectant" is tal's shortening of Trump's rambling and horrific

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You know full well what a direct quotation is, and I pointed that out from the outset. It is genuinely sad to see your political inclinations so extreme as to override your professed knowledge of basic grammar. The difference between what a person actually said (direct quotation) versus what you might think they meant is a wide, wide chasm.

Besides all of that, how could you possibly know what Tal's intent was? He never stated that. Check out posts 11, 12, and 13. When I pointed out his use of quotation marks, he simply doubled down and asserted it was true. I'm really astonished to see you continue this insane line of reasoning.

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You know full well what a direct quotation is, and I pointed that out from the outset. It is genuinely sad to see your political inclinations so extreme as to override your professed knowledge of basic grammar. The difference between what a person actually said (direct quotation) versus what you might think they meant is a wide, wide chasm.

Besides all of that, how could you possibly know what Tal's intent was? He never stated that.

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First of all, "injecting disinfectant" is tal's shortening of Trump's rambling and horrific suggestion that a disinfectant can be injected into a human body to cure covid-19. (From tal's post #10 in this thread: "We all agree he should leave the scientific facts to his experts, then maybe we would have to be shocked at his 'injecting disinfectant' comments....")

Yup, Athos is correct!!!

Yes, but when I pointed out that his use of a quote was wrong, he doubled down and said it was not. If he had simply claimed to be summarizing Trump's comments, then it would have been a different matter. I thought you understood grammar. Perhaps not? It's actually rather shocking to see you pursue this.

BTW, the quote came from Tal, and not from Athos. If he is correct, it is not in this matter.

Everybody is talking meanings and you are stuck on grammar. Even the brand companies are coming out and disavowing what the dufus said about their products, which have had warning labels since I was a kid and I bet you and your wife schooled your kids about what not to eat and drink no matter how good it looked.

Everybody thinks what the dufus said was BIZARRE, LUNACY, DANGEROUS, AND IDIOTIC, all over the freaking world and you trip off quotations? its like you proclaiming all those ancient scholars said one thing and the ones that disagreed were wrong, so in this case do those rules apply? If they do, that makes you dead wrong.

Geez can we move on to his being happy about just having 60,000 deaths projected (Instead of millions?), and we just crossed the 52,000 threshold? Still a week in April to go!

@Tom, anything to stop the infection from getting to the lungs I'm for. So catching it in time may be the key which means more early testing, and not just this rationing crap. I mean does anybody think this virus will stop at a million? If you don't have enough then you don't have enough, and given the hotspots. I suppose JL will argue that the dufus said we don't need no more tests, because we tests more than anybody in the world already.

Let's vote...is this guy a dufus or NOT?

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it is a vote he wins hands down, we all know this, politics doesn't guarantee intelligence

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Everybody thinks what the dufus said was BIZARRE, LUNACY, DANGEROUS, AND IDIOTIC, all over the freaking world and you trip off quotations? its like you proclaiming all those ancient scholars said one thing and the ones that disagreed were wrong, so in this case do those rules apply? If they do, that makes you dead wrong.

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You made a dumb comment so now it's my fault? I see.

"...all those ancient scholars said one thing and the ones that disagreed were wrong..." What???

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Tom, anything to stop the infection from getting to the lungs I'm for. So catching it in time may be the key which means more early testing, and not just this rationing crap. I mean does anybody think this virus will stop at a million? If you don't have enough then you don't have enough, and given the hotspots. I suppose JL will argue that the dufus said we don't need no more tests, because we tests more than anybody in the world already.

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What exactly do you hope to accomplish by early testing ? I did not have it one day and now I do. Had I stuck the alien probe up my nose the day before I was infected I would've tested negative . It is bizarre how this is being treated . It used to be that the sick were quarantined . Now we isolate the healthy. That is an unsustainable model. We already know which segments of the population are vulnerable to serious effects of the virus . They should possibly be singled out for special concern including frequent testing .A single one off test is a waste of resources . The young and healthy should be out there doing their jobs ;living a purpose driven life.
So if you think we need mass testing then it should be within the high risk population .


Now the antibody tests coming out are much more valuable .The virus came to California much sooner than to NY . Antibody tests are yielding some stats that are revealing . Stanford University Medical School tested

3,330 residents of Santa Clara county using blood tests to detect antibodies to determine whether or not they had been exposed to the coronavirus. Their study shows the percent of people infected with the disease who die is "A hundred deaths out of 48,000-81,000 infections corresponds to an infection fatality rate of 0.12-0.2%, That gives us roughly the same death rate as the annual flu.

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While our study was limited to Santa Clara County, it demonstrates the feasibility of seroprevalence surveys of population samples now, and in the future, to inform our understanding of this pandemic's progression, project estimates of community vulnerability, and monitor infection fatality rates in different populations over time. It is also an important tool for reducing uncertainty about the state of the epidemic, which may have important public benefits.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...463v1.full.pdf

Surely there would have to be different results in NYC then in Santa Clara . All the more reason for CDC to take Sanford's methods on the road for a nation wide test ;starting in the hardest hit areas .

[ The USS Theodore Roosevelt the infection rate should be higher but the lethality rate will be lower (much younger and healthier than the general population). The Navy tested the sailors and found that 14% (660) of the crew had the disease. There was one death. That is a mortality rate of 0.15%. Note that the infection rate does not include those that were infected and cleared the virus. They are starting to do antibody testing now. Assuming there will be a higher mortality rate from

Diamond Princess cruise line ]

Very good post, Tom. It is quite possible that when this whole thing is over, we will discover that we absolutely panicked and thus made poor decisions. If I read your post correctly, then you now have this virus? If that's the case, then take care of yourself and get well.

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I suppose JL will argue that the dufus said we don't need no more tests, because we tests more than anybody in the world already.

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You're the one who makes up quotes, so now you think I'll copy you? You can be sure that is not going to happen.

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You made a dumb comment so now it's my fault? I see.

"...all those ancient scholars said one thing and the ones that disagreed were wrong..." What???

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Well excuse me for paraphrasing the dufus meandering comments and cutting to the chase. I blast you for semantic and grammar antics and you well deserved it.

The rest of the blast pertaining to ancient man comes from the very obvious fact there were many bibles and from which whomever had the best sway adopted as the official sanctioned version for the masses. Back (As NOW) then religious leaders were like politicians, always trying to keep ahead of the competition for followers and supporters. Indeed the whole history of religion is more domination and power than divinity.

I don't want to get into a religious discussion here, just point out how easy it is to prop up a dufus who clearly has no clue what he is talking about and thankfully the huge blowback to his commentary at this presser has reduced his face time big time for now. That's a good thing.

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For one, who can infect others, and those people can take the appropriate safety actions. One thing that has become painfully obvious, especially in nursing home, and confined close quarter populations, is this virus spreads fast and brought in often unknowingly from the outside. You have no choice I think, but to identify and isolate the healthy people since the virulence is so fast and pronounced. Maybe it's not sustainable, but fact is we just can't know who is healthy and who is not. That suggests regular health monitoring of darn near everybody and that is a huge undertaking considering we just don't have enough tests. Important though we make the most of what we have to learn everything we can so we can at least find a course of action that works.

As you've acknowledge before, those in a high risk group should be more cautious of contacts and those still working essential or soon to be workers are more likely to facilitate more infections than not for sure so the numbers will increase and not decrease. Just because we have few good options doesn't mean we just say screw it and go back to work since we know that even essentials get sick. Cops, nurses doctors, grocery workers, all are having increases.

I think we just have to recognize we are far behind the curb and playing catch up as we learn, and it's likely to be a while before business as usual is not a death defying event. We may have to adjust to a new normal for the foreseeable future. That's just reality as I take note of your numbers. They cannot be accurate without testing to verify the projections.

Personally I would be afraid to go to work and may sue the MF who makes me and I got sick. I cite the Amazon walkouts as a precursor to the concerns of those workers. Pay attention to those food processing plants, but give me masks and gloves and I'll hustle some haircuts. We just cannot predict what comes next Tom, but we better get better prepared to deal with it than we were when it hit.

In that we have NO choice, but to ramp up testing capabilities and capacity, and that requires a strong supply and delivery chain which we have already found to be lacking.

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You didn't paraphrase and you know you didn't. That was the whole point of my question that you and WG have practically exhausted yourselves denying. But at least you have now corrected yourself and admitted your mistake, so thank goodness for that.

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there were many bibles and from which whomever had the best sway adopted as the official sanctioned version for the masses.

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There is some truth in that, but not in the way you think. It largely did not happen that way.

1. It's more like I had to clarify what you missed multiple times, but if your spin makes you feel better then okay, whatever. Just curious as to what your own perception of his comments were, and did it make sense to you?

2. I would much prefer we moved this part of the discussion to the proper place and will copy/paste to a more appropriate thread if that's okay as I am more than interested in your explanation.

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It's more like I had to clarify what you missed multiple times,

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Tal, you're just being untruthful . Period. End of story. You were very clear with your direct quotation which I asked directly about and you affirmed. Maybe you don't know what that means?? At any rate, don't blame your falsehoods on me.

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Tal, you're just being untruthful . Period. End of story. You were very clear with your direct quotation which I asked directly about and you affirmed. Maybe you don't know what that means?? At any rate, don't blame your falsehoods on me.

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I didn't assign the quotes and maybe it would be grammatically correct to do so, or stipulate I was paraphrasing but no excuse for you not to answer the question posed unless you are intentionally ducking it, or just missed (OMITTED) it as usual.

"Just curious as to what your own perception of his comments were, and did it make sense to you?"

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I think he was doing what he frequently does which is "thinking out loud." It is extremely unwise. Probably the greatest disappointment I have with Trump is the fact that he has learned very little about how to deal with the public. He does not govern his mouth. Still, to say that he was suggesting that people go out and inject disinfectant into their veins is flatly untrue. But Trump should know by now that his dumb, thoughtless comments allow liberals who are largely unconcerned with being truthful to distort his statements. He is right in much of what he says about fake news, but when your house is one fire, you don't need to throw gasoline on it.

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That suggests regular health monitoring of darn near everybody

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so public health will be the pretext for the police state . Maybe those of us who were infected can have a tattoo so the public can know ?

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As you've acknowledge before, those in a high risk group should be more cautious of contacts and those still working essential or soon to be workers are more likely to facilitate more infections than not for sure so the numbers will increase and not decrease. Just because we have few good options doesn't mean we just say screw it and go back to work since we know that even essentials get sick. Cops, nurses doctors, grocery workers, all are having increases.

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I assure you the work place already is making adaptions . In my plant everyone is scanned with a thermometer before entering . We also follow CDC guidelines , Mercifully they have eased some of the more onereous ones like anyone who was potentially exposed had to self quarantine for 2 weeks with the company picking up the tab. When they ended that requirment and only workers with doctor's notes were permitted to take the time off using their own benefit time ,suddenly we had a lot fewer workers out .The attrition rate was horrible for a time with most of those out never getting sick

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completely disagree .The only countries ahead of us initially was the ones in Asia who had gone through covid incidents before .We also fell behind because initial test kits were failures .

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Personally I would be afraid to go to work and may sue the MF who makes me and I got sick

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I tell my staff they have the option to resign .This is not a dicatorship . I know when this is done there is going to be a big pool of workers looking for the jobs my employer provides .

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I cite the Amazon walkouts as a precursor to the concerns of those workers

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I will also cite that and just imagine truckers deciding it is too risky to deliver goods into NYC .;or clerks in grocery stores refusing to stock shelves . Or pharmaceutical workers refusing to run the machines that make the medicines we need . I can do without your hair cut (and my clippers will be in next week .I figure using them 3 times will pay for them with the money I will no longer have to pay my hair dresser .)

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I think he was doing what he frequently does which is "thinking out loud." It is extremely unwise. Probably the greatest disappointment I have with Trump is the fact that he has learned very little about how to deal with the public. He does not govern his mouth. Still, to say that he was suggesting that people go out and inject disinfectant into their veins is flatly untrue. But Trump should know by now that his dumb, thoughtless comments allow liberals who are largely unconcerned with being truthful to distort his statements. He is right in much of what he says about fake news, but when your house is one fire, you don't need to throw gasoline on it.

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Yeah I can see commercials running all over the place of videos of his thinking out loud in public, at the podium. They are airing as I speak, so don't blame liberals for that, since he did it himself. He sets his own house on fire, and repubs would and have done the same thing to Biden. We could call this the year of politics in the middle of a pandemic.

Pretty catchy don't you think?

What they did is similar to what you did. Not trying to be ugly, but you concocted a fake quote by Trump ("injecting disinfectant") in an effort to distort what he actually said. Athos did the same thing is saying that Trump encouraged insurrection and called upon people to "storm statehouses", a comment he never made. So it's fine with me if people want to quote him. I just hope they do so accurately.

And remember that Biden is a factory of mass production when it comes to making dumb comments. I guess you can say that both sides will supply each other with plenty of ammo.