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Republicans will turn a blind eye. But history books will say: In April of 2020, when the pandemic had already claimed 35,000 lives, the President of the United States incited people to storm their statehouses with AR-15s and AK-47s.
Trump tweets: "LIBERATE VIRGINIA! Save your great second amendment. It's under siege!"
Yes Trump is a dill
He has to really his base, and it's being reported a number of his rich supporters are organizing and bankrolling these protests. Everything he says and does is about his reelection.
With all the strife, why would he want the aggravation? Better to let some other incompetent inherit the problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
maybe if our Governors werent acting like little despots then the people would not have gone to the street .Much of the draconian regulations depends on the voluntary cooperation of the citizenry .
But you know that they have become power hungry when they fine people in California $1000 for sitting in their cars watching the sunset . Or they fill in skateboard parks with sand in LA to prevent kids from using the parks . Or they close down public parks where there is no evidence that people are violation their social separation edicts . Or that clown Governor in Michigan who decided that it was ok to buy pot and booze but not garden seeds .
I can understand the need for some of the measures in NY . But even here il duce Cuomo has gone too far. There was less ridership in the NYC subways and trains . That was a good thing right ? But instead of leaving well enough alone . They reduced train service and cars . So now even though there are fewer riders . The cars are packed again.
So it is all BS . 99 % of the country should be back up and running. But the truth is that the Dems want to extend their power grab because people dying and the economy tanking during a Republican's watch is good for them.
Wonder if those closed businesses can guarantee the safety of the customers AND employees? How do you eat a 5 course meal in a mask? You think those meat packing guys in Colorado want to go back to work after getting sick? I see a lot of adjustments before the economy can be safely restarted.
I heard the other day how we can bring back sports without the fans and televise the games ala pro wrestling. Sounds good to me as long as the players stay healthy. Here's a clue, the frontline essentials getting sick and cannot work. You know this well in NY. Extrapolate that to the rest of the country. Is that an excuse for the dufus to rally his base against dems governors shutdown orders?
Just can't wait for a test to be on the safe side huh! Cuomo just got one so we'll see.
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You think those meat packing guys in Colorado want to go back to work after getting sick?
I'm sick and will return to work gladly as soon as I clear protocol .
Your example about social distancing in a restaurant is a problem . I say let the restaurants and the private businesses figure it out . The 1st thing to reopen in Penn Station NYC was a Dunkin Donuts . They put marks on the floor and they have plexiglass barriers between the customer and cashier .
What test ? I asked about retest before I return to work and I was told by an agent of NYS Dept Health that often the test comes back positive weeks after initial positive results . And test results big enough to make any meaningful evaluation will take months if not more than a year . You want the economy down all that time ? I know quite a few small business owners who will not be able to reopen and it doesn't matter how much monopoly money they are being given. I know a yoga instructor whoQuote:
Just can't wait for a test to be on the safe side huh!
rented space to have classes in December to start January . She now pays rent but can't conduct classes . Like I said ;the Dems want the economy shut down until November
Shutdown is annoying and many small business owners will not survive, rents and lack of revenue will kill them off, even large chains have closed
Clete you would think the Dem Guvs would want business up and running . Who pays the taxes for their excessive spending ? What we are seeing here is private practices closing down too . Hospitals make their money on the so called elective procedures . And almost all of those have been suspended here even though they wildly exaggerated the demand of Wuhan virus patients in most of the country . BTW some procedures being called elective procedures is a cruel joke. I know a guy who's urinary tract needs a procedure to open it up . He has had a tube running from his bladder into a bag for a couple months now and his surgery has been indefinitely delayed .
Yes Tom any condition that doesn't immediately kill you is elective. making sure hospital beds are available is important. This is just nanny state overkill but if the politicians do nothing they are condemned so overreaction becomes the norm. The US has a bad case of the flu, much worse than many other places and you have to wonder how this can happen in such a high tech place. Our cities are crowded too but we don't have the transmission rate or the death rate and isolation measures appear to be working. maybe it is the fact that you are in the winter season and we are coming out of summer that makes the difference but we never had this panic over h1n1, etc and that kills as many people each year. So I'm off for my annual flu jab this morning, must take preventative measures
COVID-19 isn't a flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I doubt your cities are stacked like this https://images.wsj.net/im-13361?width=620&size=1.5Quote:
Our cities are crowded too but we don't have the transmission rate or the death rate and isolation measures appear to be working. maybe it is the fact that you are in the winter season and we are coming out of summer that makes the difference but we never had this panic over h1n1, etc and that kills as many people each year. So I'm off for my annual flu jab this morning, must take preventative measures
https://theweek.com/speedreads/90436...-are-convincedQuote:
maybe it is the fact that you are in the winter season and we are coming out of summer that makes the difference
And its spring here Clete. Why can't we open the economy back up safely, and keep it open, instead of chancing a relapse? Repubs just don't want to give workers any more money than they have too. Ceo's...now that's okay with them.
Look at the photograph leading this thread.
At today's presser, Trump said, "The protestors are nice. They're keeping six feet apart during the protest". The photographic evidence proves without a doubt that Trump[ is A) lying, or, B) is in an alternate reality.
His constant claim that America has done more testing than anyone else is a distraction from the truth. America is nowhere near the highest in testing when the all-important per capita measurement is used.
Trump did his usual freak-out against the press today at the meeting when uncomfortable questions that he didn't like were asked. Instead of answering, he blasted the questioners with insults and nastiness that had nothing to do with the question.
For those who need factual evidence of Trump's behavior during these press conferences, there are dozens of "fact-check" sites on the internet and also in the newspapers.
It is enlightening (and frightening at the same time) that so many get their information only from Fox-News without a clue as to what the overwhelming media is actually reporting re Trump and his stupidity.
Tal the government ran out of money already . The Repubs want Congress to pass additional funding but Madam Mim Antoinette is eating expensive ice cream from her well stocked freezer ;and won't allow Congress back until May 4 . But again I'll ask this simple question . If people are not working and getting wages . Then who does the government tax to fund their gimmees ?
lol 'fact check sites ' Sites funded by the Annenberg group and Soros .
You're a liar, Tom. Just like your hero Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sydney, Australia. Certainly there must be tenements SOMEwhere in that beautiful city!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bu_BxH3h1cQ/maxresdefault.jpg
And there are videos online of each "press briefing."Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Sydney has less than 5 million people . The NYC area has 18.8 million .
And if it had 18.8 million people, I betcha it would still be beautiful and minus ugly tenements full of the miserable poor, homeless people lining the sidewalks, and panhandlers busking or just holding out a donation cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
FactCheck.org® A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy CenterQuote:
You're a liar, Tom
https://www.factcheck.org/
Media Matters for America is a Soros Open Society construct .
http://archive.discoverthenetworks.o...ry.asp?id=1237
If only you would do your own research instead of relying on left wing propaganda media .
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Originally Posted by tomder55
There are dozens that have no affiliation with Soros. But that begs the question.
I note that you don't challenge the content, you just slam the Soros connection. That's a form of the logical fallacy called ad hominem.
I note that you have relied on right-wing propaganda media. My reliance is media that is dedicated to the truth.Quote:
If only you would do your own research instead of relying on left wing propaganda media .
How do I know this?
Here's one way;
I watch a video of Trump (live TV or the net). Then I check to see how that performance is described on media. The Fox far-right Trump outlet consistently slants the performance or omits points critical of Trump. Sometimes there are outright lies on the opinion shows (Hannity, Ingraham, and that dopey "Judge"). I also check OAN occasionally. It's just as bad as Fox.
The other media that you and Trump call "Fake news" and propaganda then describes the Trump performance and it is always accurate and sometimes slanted (but never slanted to the degree on Fox). I won't list the media because it's generally all other media in the USA and abroad.
Well said Athos, but it's a normal thing for right wing conservative media to blast the liberal news. They have always complained of not having enough conservative news and there is a good reason for that, it's FAKE, and rejected by the public as a whole. One reason is liberal news has only to play the tape of the dufus and his sycophants lying as he feeds red meat to his base.
Now his sycophants are taking to the streets with the dufus chearleading them. That's disgusting, and delusional.
Yes it is the President should be above such behaviour, but then this is a race to the bottomQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
No masks, no social distancing, just hollering.
when Dems protest no one cares how close they get to each other ;or that no one is wearing masks .
https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc...uarters-103282
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The article is headed by the date, March 5, 2020. Social distancing didn't begin until later.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That link showing the animals clogging up a hot line with revolting comments and Hitler references is hardly worthy of a WTG NY!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That tells us a lot about you, Tom.
Tom's never been a Blaso fan, nor has he been a right wing loony either, at least not lock stock and barrel, but we are seeing the loonies come out more as this virus rages on. We all know the dufus and his sycophantic base are behind this and we have seen this play before many times. Holler loud enough and make it seem like it's more than it really is.
Of course I have no evidence, but do suspect this is a small group exercising keyboard courage in a very crass way. Hey loonies need attention too.
this was going to a police link I'm sure NYPD was howling with delight and amusement . A nice distraction from their having to chase down the scum Blas let out of prison
It is defiance to Sandinista Bill's Orwellian call for NYers to snitch . Nothing more or less.
I'm sure you would gladly exchange blaso for the mayor of Vegas who said open the casinos and figure the rest out later.
Money rules even in the middle of a plague, I hear Trump likes the way we handled the crisis, can't figure out why, it is the opposite of what he has doneQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Could it be the call for investigations into the WHO?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN22401K
Meanwhile, the main street bailout for small businesses was scarfed up by rich guys who are preferrd customers of the big banks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/b...ronavirus.html
So now those small mom and pop businesses still need money.
Yes strange the way things turn out over there, seems the little guy doesn't need any money
Leave it to conservatives to make the rich richer and forget the poorer.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and speculate that there will never be such a crazy entry in a history book since Trump has never suggested such a ridiculous thing. He has not called for an insurrection in Virginia or any other state. He has not asked for people to "storm their statehouses". He has not asked people to open carry AK-47s. Suggesting that people exercise their Constitutional right to peaceably assemble (which seems to be what they did, unlike what the dems did in Ferguson) is hardly a new statement for a president.Quote:
But history books will say: In April of 2020, when the pandemic had already claimed 35,000 lives, the President of the United States incited people to storm their statehouses with AR-15s and AK-47s.
You've already said you don't want your taxes raised to support the poor. Other than voting for people who agree to take money from people OTHER THAN YOU to give to the poor, what are you doing yourself?Quote:
forget the poorer.
1. Ferguson was peaceful during the day, and the loonies came out at night, and just as you can defend the rights of one group, then at least defend the right to disagree with such protests, like the supremists in Charlotteville, and the good people on both sides comments.
2. Have said no such thing, and have opined my position very well several times, so no need to twist my words. In truth you have voted for people to take your money for poor people too. As to what I'm doing for the poor that's easy, I vote for people who will help the poor, even if it means taking your money JL.
So you think the people of Ferguson will be relieved to find out that the burning and looting merely occurred at night? Is that supposed to be comforting? As to your right to disagree with those protesters, I've never suggested otherwise. I will suggest, however, that calling peaceful protests an "insurrection" is lunacy.Quote:
1. Ferguson was peaceful during the day, and the loonies came out at night, and just as you can defend the rights of one group, then at least defend the right to disagree with such protests, like the supremists in Charlotteville, and the good people on both sides comments.
Thank you for verifying what we already know. You can't be troubled to get off your rear end and help poor people with your own resources. Forcing other people to do what you are not willing to do yourself is the very essence of liberal democrat politics. It's on the level of a combat officer standing tall and saying, "Follow him!"Quote:
In truth you have voted for people to take your money for poor people too. As to what I'm doing for the poor that's easy, I vote for people who will help the poor, even if it means taking your money JL.
1. You brought up Ferguson in your muddled comparison to repubs open it up protest now. Ferguson was years of pent up rage and frustration, while the repub protest small in scale was organized and allegedly funded by rich people to foment dissension among frustrated scared repubs. Many changes came from that for the better. More on that later.
2. Easy preacher dude, poor people don't have resources and depend on help, and just because you are involved in church/charity work, don't even try thinking others never have. I force no one to do anything, and maybe it's just sour grapes that you get outvoted for the things that you peeve about. Don't blame me and stop assuming I've never worked with churches and charities. I ain't got no money, but I do have time and experience to love, guide, and support those that need it, and do!
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