The 2nd Court Of Appeals REVERSED a lower courts decision on the withholding of Federal funding to New York City and seven states in another victory for President Trump. This is a fight over immigration enforcement and the capacity for some of these large "progressive" municipalities to become "CITY STATES" and wield the power to make laws counter to Federal Laws or IGNORE Federal Laws altogether. Whether or not you agree with Trump, it stands to reason that none of these cities should operate OUTSIDE of Federal JURISPRUDENCE: When you allow this to happen, you end up with the creation of little "CZARS" like NYC Mayor Di Blasio and former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel who think they are above the law. This is a BOMBSHELL RULING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP. further solidify his rule and the rule of the people over those forces that have conspired against him for so long.

But when the federal laws are stupid and senseless....

W.G.: I don't even feel its about the immigration matter portion of it as much as it is about the fact that these large cities have the temerity to flagrantly go against Federal Laws: At some point these SELFAPPOINTED KINGS (mayors) think they are bigger than the Federal Government and think that nobody can tell them what to do....you know that has to stop. Di Blasio, for instance, has shown himself to be a raving lunatic that the Police Union cannot stand because he has purposely and without fail promoted the interests of criminals and their rights over the safety of the city's LEOs and still thinks he knows best: Thank goodness he tried to run for President so everyone could see what a fraud he is really.

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W.G.: I don't even feel its about the immigration matter portion of it as much as it is about the fact that these large cities have the temerity to flagrantly go against Federal Laws

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Sorta like the current president sticking his nose in the business of the Supreme Court and telling two of the justices to sit out cases involving him or his administration?

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At some point these SELFAPPOINTED KINGS (mayors) think they are bigger than the Federal Government and think that nobody can tell them what to do....you know that has to stop.

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At some point he thinks he is bigger than the other two branches of the federal government and thinks that nobody can tell him what to do....you know that has to stop.

A President is elected to rule, to enforce the laws, that appears to be forgotten

W.G.: But Di Blasio has NO BUSINESS telling anyone what to do: His policies got LEOs killed and he is an astounding air-head, as seen on the debate stage.

Look, I know you don't like our President, and I don't like some of the stuff he does, either, but what we are talking about here transcends that debate: This is about the nature of Federal Laws and the will power of the Federal Government to enforce those laws and not permit rogue cities within the borders of the U.S. to nearly declare themselves "independent" nations while still nursing the tits of the Federal Government. This large cities still suckle the Federal Government and ask for handouts but they are willing to follow the laws laid out by the Federal Government: This behavior cannot be tolerated. Trump, in this case, but I could care less WHO the President is, is telling them that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, that they have to get back into line if they expect to get fed. I think its the right thing to do to crush this "REBELLION" before radical ideologue mayors try something like "breaking away" from the U.S.

Not rule, co govern is a more apt description Clete as ascribed in the Constitution. This dufus is a bully that surrounds himself with sycophants and loyalists and is as lawless as it comes so he destroys the processes and norms of good behavior which why should we listen and succumb to such an arse, who corrupts and subverts the very rule of law he is charged to uphold and defend with his authoritarian actions. I have listened to the 2nd amendment crowd holler about defending the country against tyranny and I will be dog gone if the fools didn't up and elect a would be tyrant!

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W.G.: But Di Blasio has NO BUSINESS telling anyone what to do: His policies got LEOs killed and he is an astounding air-head, as seen on the debate stage.

Look, I know you don't like our President, and I don't like some of the stuff he does, either, but what we are talking about here transcends that debate: This is about the nature of Federal Laws and the will power of the Federal Government to enforce those laws and not permit rogue cities within the borders of the U.S. to nearly declare themselves "independent" nations while still nursing the tits of the Federal Government. This large cities still suckle the Federal Government and ask for handouts but they are willing to follow the laws laid out by the Federal Government: This behavior cannot be tolerated. Trump, in this case, but I could care less WHO the President is, is telling them that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, that they have to get back into line if they expect to get fed. I think its the right thing to do to crush this "REBELLION" before radical ideologue mayors try something like "breaking away" from the U.S.

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If you can tolerate a bully tyrant, then maybe you should tolerate opposition to him, and his tyrant regime. Like liberals are going to abide by that crap! You conservatives got life and BS all screwed up!

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If you can tolerate a bully tyrant, then maybe you should tolerate opposition to him, and his tyrant regime. Like liberals are going to abide by that crap! You conservatives got life and BS all screwed up!

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Opposition is one thing, rebellion another, but as the nation was founded in rebellion this is nothing new. When the government enforces the law, opposition becomes rebellion in the name of tyranny

Trump is simply enforcing Federal Law: Federal Law is entirely unbiased as to parties and it is secular. SURELY, YOU CAN UPHOLD FEDERAL LAW? If not, why not? Its not Trump's law: Executive Branch does not make laws! Courts are only there to INTERPRET laws.

You want the U.S. to become a nation of "KINGDOMS", ruled by WARLORDS, like Di Blasio? That's where this is headed: We would end up like old Italy once was with a bunch of "City States". Trump, in this case, is simply bringing back some sanity to the situation as he will force these little despots (mayors) to heed the will of the land: These cities, no matter how large they are or how many people tell them that their sh&t don't stink, MUST ABIDE BY THE LAWS OF THE LAND!

Vac, it's what we've been seeing all along here. Some don't like Trump and it clouds their views of his actions. It would seem to be the most obvious thing in the world that if you want to take fed money, then you ought to obey fed law. I think the fed is way too large and powerful and is assuming powers that are reserved for the states, but it is what it is, and so until we can get that changed, everyone needs to follow the law.

How about we follow the law the same way the dufus does? FAIR?

Talaniman: These little mayors "think" that THEY are the President! They need to be brought back down to earth and follow the Federal Laws that, by definition, force them to stop BREAKING FEDERAL LAWS and abide by Federal mandates. As much as California and their larger cities think that they are an independent nation, fact is that California and New York are still part of the United States Of America and they must act accordingly OR President Trump is well within his rights to stop the Federal handouts! You know where I stand with immigrants who come here because they are fleeing hardships and seek employment but there are legal routes to doing this the right way: These SANCTUARY CITIES are a bunch of crap and they need a strong dose of reality!

It's a good fight brewing, but for now this fight moves to the back burner, and those warring factions face the test of can they get together and handle this coronavirus deal, and the economic fall out of it. Everything else seems kind of small compared to a real crisis. That seems to have taken control of everybodies attention rather suddenly.

The sanctuary cities will become epicentres when the coronavirus hits and the "immigrants" have another reason to flee their countries. Borders are closing and it will take a mammoth effort to contain population movement

keep in mind this is the 2nd circus court . If they are ruling in favor of the President exercising his constitional authority then you know they could not find a pretext to deny it .

Paraclete: I believe you may be correct.

Talaniman: The Trump tariffs on China were very, very opportune: These tariffs began forcing American Manufacturers to begin looking and developing OTHER SOURCES for manufactures and materials and parts outside of RED CHINA...this will become a more profound movement in the future for us and others around the world...the U.S. Manufactures may even begin to pull more manufacturing base back to the U.S. itself....the net effect of this will be the weakening of the ChiCom economy and the strengthening of ours, long term: A GREAT THING!

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keep in mind this is the 2nd circus court . If they are ruling in favor of the President exercising his constitional authority then you know they could not find a pretext to deny it .

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Very good post.

Vac, that's a good point as well. We had to do something. China has enough advantages without allowing their govt subsidies to give them even more.

jlisenbe: I know this is akin t blasphemy for the left but: I would not be surprised is the ChiComs put this virus out there to try and derail the economy so keep Trump from being elected.....REMEMBER THIS ABOUT THE CHICOMS: They are atheistic communist who HAVE NO MORAL COMPASS WHATSOEVER!

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jlisenbe: I know this is akin t blasphemy for the left but: I would not be surprised is the ChiComs put this virus out there to try and derail the economy so keep Trump from being elected.....REMEMBER THIS ABOUT THE CHICOMS: They are atheistic communist who HAVE NO MORAL COMPASS WHATSOEVER!

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Ah, another InfoWars reader!!!

You didn't hear about the bat?

W.G.: I don't read InfoWars…..not Right Wing....I heard about cobras and bats.....But let's face it: ChiComs are Godless communists and that is a fact....they have no moral compass, which is another fact: With ChiComs, you can't make a smiley face with ChiComs, just the same analogy as the fact that you cannot make a silk purse out of a hog's ear....Trying to NORMALIZE RED CHINA is like putting lipstick on a pig: You can do it but its still a pig!

Vac, you just have to understand that there are those who despise Trump and will have their lips hanging out about anything and everything good that might be ascribed to him.

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W.G.: I don't read InfoWars…..not Right Wing....I heard about cobras and bats.....But let's face it: ChiComs are Godless communists and that is a fact....they have no moral compass, which is another fact: With ChiComs, you can't make a smiley face with ChiComs, just the same analogy as the fact that you cannot make a silk purse out of a hog's ear....Trying to NORMALIZE RED CHINA is like putting lipstick on a pig: You can do it but its still a pig!

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You are incorrect. I have known, am friends with, and have worked with many Asian-Americans, especially those whose families are from China and Korea. They are very intelligent, very friendly, and very hardworking. Please stop disrespecting them.

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You are incorrect. I have known, am friends with, and have worked with many Asian-Americans, especially those whose families are from China and Korea. They are very intelligent, very friendly, and very hardworking. Please stop disrespecting them.

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It is doubtful that vac has ever been to China or have first hand experience of their society.

He is not talking about all Chinese. He is speaking of the Chinese communist core.

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He is not talking about all Chinese. He is speaking of the Chinese communist core.

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And he should stop disrespecting them.

He should stop disrespecting the Chinese communists???

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He should stop disrespecting the Chinese communists???

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What did Jesus say?

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He should stop disrespecting the Chinese communists???

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Not everyone is bad, The Chinese government has enabled development and millions have come out of poverty. Ok they over stimulated their economy but they have made remarkable progress. They have bad attitudes towards various religions and minorities and this needs to change, you cannot see them through the prism of 50 years ago. They oppose any nation that seeks to dominate China or in their eyes threatens China, but isn't that what your own nation does?

Yes, 'Clete. I especially like the sentence that says [people in the US] "have bad attitudes towards various religions and minorities."

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He said we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. He did not say we should be delusional and profess to have great respect for a communist regime that has murdered innocent people by the thousands. If you think it's so wonderful, try going over there and speaking your mind. Try going to China and see if you can pass out Bibles on the street corner. It is still the government of forced abortions for women who become pregnant past the government approved quotient.

https://www.pop.org/forced-abortion-...ed-birth-laws/

https://www.npr.org/2016/02/01/46512...lion-bachelors

And you really suggest we should respect that government, and try to suggest Jesus would approve of that? That is incredible.

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He said we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. He did not say we should be delusional and profess to have great respect for a communist regime that has murdered innocent people by the thousands. If you think it's so wonderful, try going over there and speaking your mind. Try going to China and see if you can pass out Bibles on the street corner. It is still the government of forced abortions for women who become pregnant past the government approved quotient.

https://www.pop.org/forced-abortion-...ed-birth-laws/

https://www.npr.org/2016/02/01/46512...lion-bachelors

And you really suggest we should respect that government, and try to suggest Jesus would approve of that? That is incredible.

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In Matthew 5 (Sermon on the Mount), Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy' but I say love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven."

Not a message anyone wants to hear these days

W.G.: I am really amazed by the left's dichotomy of what constitutes good and bad, acceptable and nonacceptable, and evil and nonevil. So, you don't remember history at all when it comes to RED CHINA: You don't remember that RED CHINA attacked U.S. Forces in Korea or that RED CHINA supplied equipment and advisors to North Vietnam to help kill U.S. troops there or that RED CHINA CONTINUES TO SUPPLY WEAPONS TO THE ENEMIES OF THE U.S. RIGHT TODAY! You have classic selective memory. And don't try to turn this into a racial thing: I specifically state "COMMUNIST CHINESE", not Chinese in general....and please don't throw Koreans in the mix: I have close working relationships with Koreans and Koreans are not Chinese, W.G.: just because they are Oriental doesn't make them all Chinese! Who is being XENOFOBIC, me or YOU? I find it odd that your memory doesn't allow you to remember Mao's murdering of 30-40 million Chinese. And you want me and others to RESPECT the ChiComs? Not in this lifetime I will not. Why don't YOU respect Nazi Germany? There are many Christian and hardworking Germans, too, like Chinese, as you say. Why not RESPECT Islamic radicals, while we are at it? Why not RESPECT the KKK and Skinheads?

Your problem, and the problem of the left, is that you don't realize that we are in a WAR with RED CHINA: we are only a match away from an inferno with a Godless communist state. Meanwhile, you think it is just fine to condemn RUSSIA....you and the left think it is "IN FASHION" to hate RUSSIA, but RED CHINA gets a pass....Hhhmmm, I see: RED CHINA "GOOD", RUSSIA "BAD"...that makes all the sense in the world.

Just as you mean the Chinese government, so do we mean the Russian government, as I think we all seperate the people from the politics. Hope they do the same. Proxy wars rage on, and those battlegrounds are just as devastating to those involved as a major war. So do we really have to play this word game of left and right when it's governments fueling these wars? Still it represents breakdowns of relationships around the world and that can't be good.

To be fair Vac, the left is totally bewildered by the dufus catering to Vlad, and blasting his own people, because we see Vlad as a thug criminal that suppresses his own people, as much as your ChiComs do, maybe worse when you figure what he does to political foes and defectors.

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Jesus is speaking of what we are to do on a personal level, but even then He said nothing about respecting a murderous, tyrannical government. In fact He said nothing about respect at all. If you want to urge us to love and pray for them, then that's a great thing, but to respect?

It's really fascinating that forced abortions have no impact on you. Wonder why?

Talaniman: Somewhere along the way, we lost our way, the American Way: I think this crap started after WWII with regard to the PROXY WARS you speak about here...these PROXY WARS are nothing short of terrorism and it really doesn't matter WHO is in support of them. When you think about it, the Proxy Wars are quite cowardly and slimy: A nation trying to impose its national will upon another nation but trying to use other people to produce that outcome and keep blood off its hands in terms of using its own troops: WHAT A DASTARDLY CONCEPT! I also blame the initial foray of the Proxy Wars on the Germans (is there anything they haven't initiated?!!) when they started these types of wars in the regions of Africa and the M.E. held by Britain and France as a means of forcing those countries to commit troops and reduce strength in Europe. The U.S. should remove itself from entering into any Proxy Wars: I don't think its a good way of doing business. As for your beloved "Dufus" and Russia: Maybe he is not handling this attempt at a "relationship" exactly right but the relationship we have with Russia is a dysfunctional one that needs to be restructured and reexamined: There is no way we should keep up the COLD WAR with Russia...this should change.

Jlisenbe: I agree: I RESPECT rattlesnakes for their poison but that doesn't mean I like them and I certainly don't love them!

I think we have a different understanding of what "respect" means.

What do you mean by "proxy wars"? Please give an example.

jlisenbe: Respect can mean "to be cognizant of" or, even, "to be wary of" or it can also mean "regards"....it can also connote a certain level of "decorum".

Proxy Wars is where you use another nations troops (or any description of "fighters") to further the national interest of your nation....you supply equipment and support for the other nations fighters but you, yourself, do not directly enter into combat: Its warfare conducted through somebody else.

Can you please give an example of a U.S. proxy war.

jlisenbe: Yes, a good example of a Proxy War is where we opposed a perceived Russian expansionism effort in the M.E. and, instead of directly confronting Russian funded adversaries with our own troops, we elected, at John McCain's and others urging, to fund radical Islamic "Moderate" Rebels instead as our PROXY combatants to resist Russian efforts in Syria aimed at preserving Assad. That is one example.