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Athos: Trump may be a lot of things....and a very large EGO is amongst those traits.....but I don't think you can point to EVIL as being one of his character traits.....he has a high opinion of himself....he is getting a lot of things done....and if he has some peace and tranquility to operate, I think we will see more.....Trump is definitely not and ideologue.
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Originally Posted by Vacuum7
For you fundies out there, check out Trump's similarity to your AntiChrist. He's almost perfectly described in Revelation.
For those not afraid to click, here's a link sent by a friend that is scary in its accuracy.
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could...l-predictions/
Athos: What did you do to me? Leave it up to you to turn my head inside-out! I took good, hard look and read of the link you put up but I think you knew that once somebody started reading it, there could be no stopping...pretty sneaky of you!: What I was so sure of before I started is now thrown into question.....This bit is very troubling to me and makes me question a lot things that I previously had taken for granted....I started to read it and thought it was a joke but it is no joke.....NOW, I am really perplexed. Not to put you out, but do you have any other similar links?
interesting however the Bible says there will be many manifestations of the anti-christ, Trump could be one of them just as Bush and Clinton could have been one of them, the US is certainly a manifestation of the anti-christ in this age, but then so is Russia. It's the system AthosQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Paraclete: For a man to keep winning when it seems he is always on the precipice of losing is notable: It can be because the man is divinely secured or because the man is supported from a force 180 degrees out of phase with divinity.
It was sent to me without comment. Many of us had the same reaction as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
There have been several "manifestations" of the anti-christ, but they have all been obviously forced. None of them have ever been so close to what is described in the Bible as Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Vacuum7 had the courage to read it, do you?
Yes I did and as I said it is interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
I never needed the gospel to think this dufus was an agent of evil despicable moral intent, but I found it more than interesting that it could be found in scripture. That was truly profound in my opinion.
Talaniman: Quite a surprise to me, as well....still haven't come to terms with what I read.
It will all be mote if he doesn't get reelected
I plan for the worst! Not a lot of hope for the best in that he gets defeated.
In my 66 years I have heard it said that any one of a number of people were the Antichrist. Many people were convinced it was Obama. I imagine the early Christians were surprised to find out that Nero was not the Antichrist. Ultimately, I'm with Clete on this one in that the references to an Antichrist might refer more to a spiritual force or world system.
Yes afterall Jesus told us the anti-Christ was already in the world and that was two thousand years ago so the spirit of the anti-Christ will have many manifestations and Trump may well be one of them. remember the end times are upon us and the manifestations will become more obviousQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Paraclete: You think the end times are upon us?
If he does, and he turns out to be wrong, then he can join the immensely large crowd of people who also thought the end was near and turned out to wrong. It is a club with a long, and in some cases distinguished, membership role.
Guess we wait and see if the dufus proves to be the anti Christ, or if he is just a rich evil dude. Doesn't matter to me as long as he is held to account for his words and actions and booted out of the WH. Don't know about end times but troubled times can also apply to whatever we are going through, and the dufus adds to the troubles in my opinion. Him and his enablers, sycophants, and protectors. Without the gospel he is still the face of evil as it gets.
jlisenbe: Must agree with you: My belief is that man is not deterministic in when that time will be, it is not a decision OF MAN.
I do find it funny when I think about how ALL OF US would live our lives so differently IF we knew precisely when our last day on earth was to be: If we knew when our time was up, the entirety of our lives would be built around that specific day, hour, and minute...our lives would become a countdown for our rendezvous with destiny.
Betcha a great number would try to cheat even then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Talaniman: NO DOUBT ABOUT IT: I am sure many would still try to cheat!
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Originally Posted by Vacuum7
The one thing you cannot cheat is death, you may think you have bought extra time, but it is an illusion
seems cheating in Iowa is out too, no result, at least not yet, just an IT nightmare, the demonrats have been undone by thier own technology, which foreign nation will they blame this time?
Bet it was those pesky Lithuanians! Either that, or they were trying to use Hillary's old email server.
Nanny Bloomy takes a swig of a Big Gulp Coke, a drag from a cigarette, and smiles while caressing his 12 gauge shotgun. His diabolical plan is working to perfection
Mayor Pete is going to NH victorious and that would be big if it pans out. We'll know at 4PM alledgedly.
He declared victory yesterday . That would be a hoot if he won Iowa because Bolshevik Bernie is going to win NH and then Biden will show up on Super Tues . I want a contested convention the likes we haven't seen since 1980 when the swimmer undermined Carter .
Funny thing about dems and computers. They just don't seem to mix well.
Much like the Russian bots that invaded Facebook during the last presidential campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
wow the Dems act like the Ruskies invented using the other nation's media to influence politics in another nation . Our CIA has employed that since it's birth in 1947 . And that is the least of the means we have used . Solmetimes we use covert means .But often we are upfront in out efforts ;like we did in Russia when we openly supported Boris Yeltzin (a move that ultimately led to the rise of Putin) .https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../yelt-j14.htmlQuote:
he United States is the world leader in interfering in other countries’ elections. Professor Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University has assembled a database documenting as many as 81 occasions between 1946 and 2000 when Washington interfered in elections in other countries. This number does not include military coups or regime-change efforts following the election of candidates the US opposed, as in Iran, Congo, Guatemala, Chile and many other nations.In fact, the number of countries whose elections have been affected by US meddling is much higher. There is scarcely a country, large or small, where the CIA, the State Department, the Pentagon or their various nongovernmental agencies, including the AFL-CIO, have not intervened in an attempt to obtain the election result desired by Washington. This includes nominal “allies” such as Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Britain, Australia and Japan.One fairly recent election stands out for the brazen and open manner in which the United States government, directed from the White House, intervened to put its candidate in office in a foreign land. The targeted country was none other than Russia.In 1996, the White House and President Bill Clinton personally mounted a massive campaign to secure the reelection of Boris Yeltsin, whose comprador regime had been installed in the first place to oversee the dissolution of the Soviet Union and restoration of capitalism. One of the ironies of the current contrived scandal over alleged Russian intervention in the 2016 election is the fact that the supposed victim, Hillary Clinton, is the wife of the president who oversaw the very real interference by Washington in the Russian election 20 years earlier.By the time Yeltsin announced in early 1996 that he would be running for a second term in the presidential election scheduled for that summer, he had become one of the most despised figures in Russia, having presided over the catastrophic consequences of the privatization of the Russian economy. The impact included a GDP decline of 50 percent, hyperinflation, rampant corruption, skyrocketing violent crime, the collapse of medical services, food and fuel shortages, nonpayment of wages and pensions, and a plunge in life expectancy. Added to this toxic mix was Yeltsin’s highly unpopular war with Chechnya.By late 1993, these policies had provoked such massive opposition that Yeltsin, by means of a dictatorial decree, dissolved the parliament. In response, opponents in Moscow took over government buildings. To put down the rebellion, Yeltsin, using critical intelligence provided by Washington, called out the military, shelled the parliament building and in the ensuing bombing and shooting killed an estimated 2,000 people. This was the supposed hero of democracy whom the United States backed in the 1996 election.The oligarchs and generals who supported Yeltsin urged him to cancel or postpone the election, fearing that Gennady Zyuganov, the right-wing nationalist leader of the Stalinist Communist Party, would win. Instead, US political operatives were sent to Russia to rescue Yeltsin from likely political defeat.Far from concealing this intervention, the American ruling elite boasted of its success after Yeltsin’s victory. Timemagazine made it the cover story of its July 15, 1996 edition.
So Russian influence is just returning the favour, an interesting quid pro quoQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes indeed. That was all part of the Russian conspiracy that was aiding the Trump campaign. No, wait. That has been debunked. Never mind.Quote:
Much like the Russian bots that invaded Facebook during the last presidential campaign.
The interference that never was, that dog don't hunt, nor does Ukraine interference, now what about republican interference, now that dog does huntQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Soaring rhetoric aside but the Russians and the US were at war, and still are and alls fair. Sure we have used the tactic all over the world to keep our foes at bay but now everybody knows the tricks and traps so you better get the edge back or lean a new language. It's still a war.
Tal, I think you are quite right.
The Russians are not "at war" with the US, they are rivals, just as China is a rival. All this talk of war is outdated. There are four camps in the world at the moment all vieing for economic supremacyQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That's true and none of us plays nice. Like I said a war. Be glad we have other ways to fight that doesn't cause mass destruction of lives and property. We are just more civilized about it than we have ever been before.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Civilised, is that what you can it? millions displaced, areas devastated, whole countries barely livable. War in the past 150 years has suppassed what was done beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yes those proxy wars are still quite devestating.
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