BOMBSHELL!!! Ukrainians want investigation of Burisma, election meddling! Not good for Demos.
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BOMBSHELL!!! Ukrainians want investigation of Burisma, election meddling! Not good for Demos.
We could sure use a link or something to read about it Vac.
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I'm reminded of the words of an old song, and I paraphrase;
What ever Trump wants, Trump gets
Paraclete: Yes, the left goes "conventional warfare"....TRUMP GOES NUCLEAR!
Are you sure it isn't a GAS attack?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Paraclete: Gas isn't a big enough show for Trump!
Rigging the 2020 election is right up his alley though!
Trump didn't rig the last election and he won't rig this one. Trump doesn't look worried, he knows the Domonrats got nothing and Bloomberg proves itQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
He lied cheated and stole the last election, and is actively doing the same with this one, hoping to use the Ukraine this time along with Vlad again. He has repubs cowed to protect him but he has made some staunch enemies this time around and some of his tactics and antics may well backfire and those he fooled once may not be fooled as easily again so we'll see.
You lost because the other guy cheated, forgetting it was an overwelhming victory over a small part of the country, Trump won in thousands of counties, the majority of states
I guess it's easier to say that than to say, "We ran an incompetent, unaccomplished, unethical candidate who thought she would win just because she was a woman, and we shockingly got our rear ends kicked." Yeah, it just had to be because Trump stole the election.Quote:
He lied cheated and stole the last election, and is actively doing the same with this one, hoping to use the Ukraine this time along with Vlad again.
Actually it's easier to say the truth the dufus won the electoral college by less than 100.000 votes in 5 states. He lost the popular vote by 3 million nation wide and neither candidate won a majority, and the dufus had Vlad on hiis side.
"Russia if your listening", and they responded! No body knew the dufus was under investigation, but everybody knew about HC. I don't think that will happen this time and that's why we are treated to the Biden's and Ukraine 2016 interference conspiracy crap, which is right out of Vlad/s playbook, and every repub is spouting it, and the r/w loony noise machine is at full volume. !
The margin he won by doesn't matter, he won by the rules, no doubt you cried foul when GW Bush won by a narrow margin, that one had us all scratching our heads, but you have rules. Where I come from we don't like the idea of first past the post, we like to see a result based preference, that is, if more people don't like you even though you have the most votes you don't get up and your electoral college is something like that. You claim victory because a number of people in a small part of the country voted a particular way, but your system is designed to prevent that happening, you see Tal you don't just win with the majority of votes, you also have to carry the majority of states, so accept the resultQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Oh I accept the results of the election Clete, we got what we deserve, but I don't like the words, antics, and behavior of the lying, cheating dufus, that the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind, and repubs defend. Strange bedfellows indeed, but I suppose that's what happens when you let the loonies have their way.
Tal, I agree the man leaves much to be desired, he truly needs to think before he speaks, but he made some promises and unlike many, he didn't forget them when the election was over. However, it is an imperfect world, so whatever was implemented didn't survive the politiciansQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That's the most racially prejudiced statement I have seen on this board. I thought you were above such things, Tal, but I guess not. Very disappointing. "You voted for Trump? Well, you must be a racist white Christian." I suppose it couldn't have had anything to do with the corrupt little person the dems ran, or with policies such as economic growth, pro-Constitution fed judges, an approach that is pro-life, or advocating for free speech. Nah. Everyone who voted for Trump must surely be a racist Christian. I truly hope I have somehow misread your position, because it would certainly be a pathetic view. It's yet anther reason I'm glad I'm not a liberal democrat.Quote:
the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind
Those are YOUR words not mine, I just stated a fact, a few facts amongst many, such as voter turnout, a transitioning population, a poor campaign by dems, voter purges and suppression, cyber interference by Vlad, and a few others but of course you over simplified it to your own narrative because I was fascinated by the demographics of the 2016 electorate? It's hard to even have a debate with a closed minded ultra sensitive conservative southerner who sees gains in conservative judges and anti abortions as a main credential, and can ignore the rest of the baggage we've seen for the last 3 years, like lying cheating and really dirty tricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The 2018 midterms should have given you fair warning that more things are on the minds of citizens beside repression of liberal policy fears, which lost repubs the House, and may well cost them senate as well, even if the dufus manages to survive his current opposition, and court rulings.
You cannot deny the support the dufus enjoys as part of his base that keeps elected repubs in line for his antics and behavior, because it's their base too essentially. So don't deny I made a specific distinction between racists, and white evangelicals while you draw the erroneous conclusion that I somehow lumped them together as racist white Christians. I did not, merely pointed out they backed the dufus rather strongly, and I found that rather a strange coalition, though I think it represents less than half of all repubs and there may be a sizable number who will look for better in the upcoming 2020 elections. Just a speculation and no reason to twist your nose in knots.
Sad to say, that's been my experience too during the past three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
More Blacks will vote for Trump than they have for any other Republican ever before in 2020.....and, it is possible, that he will get even more than anyone thinks given the outrageously great Black employment numbers Trump has put up. Liberals tend to think that Blacks have to led around by the nose in order for them to understand what is good for them: THERE IS A VERY RASCIST ASSUMPTION AMONST LIBERALS THAT BLACKS HAVE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO....and I have seen this demonstrated many times during my lifetime...….I can tell you that ideal is patently racist....Want to talk about Systemic Racism in the U.S., look no further than how liberals "handle" Blacks in this country: its demeaning as hell!
No, you didn't. You stated an opinion. When you say, as you did, that Trump was elected by a "coalition pf racist and white evangelicals ", then you are making a prejudiced, racist observation. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump. I can't think of a one who is a racist, and quite a number are not evangelical Christians. It seems you go by the liberal motto of, "If you do it it's wrong, but if I do it it's OK."Quote:
I just stated a fact
Oh? So that settles it then? Since that has been your Chicago experience, then all Trump supporters are white, racist evangelicals? Like I said, I'm so glad I'm not a liberal with that two-tiered system of ethics.Quote:
Sad to say, that's been my experience too during the past three years.
It's about on the level of saying that all Obama supporters were black, welfare recipients. Both statements are equally wrong and racially prejudiced, but liberals would only reject one of them.
The good news is that the revived economy has spurred black support for Trump. A passage from the linked article states, "Rasmussen proclaimed that black approval of Trump had hit 29%, even though most of the media ignored it for reasons AT readers well understand. But the surge in black support for President Trump is real – so real that even the far-left NAACP discovered it in a poll, though that poll (perhaps with a differently worded question) put the support at 21%."
So evidently there will be a significant number of black voters allying themselves with those racist, white evangelical voters. Go figure!
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JL: Liberal PRACTICE INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM to the point that they don't even know that what they do is racist.
The attitudes, old and outdated as they are, that the NORTH is advanced and not racist and the SOUTH is backwards and racist still are perpetuated by liberals: I find it disgusting.....I grew up around Blacks...I played with Blacks....ate with Blacks...worked with Blacks....busted my knuckles on Blacks and visa versa....and have interacted with Black on a daily basis almost my entire life IN THE SOUTH! Yet, Northern liberals are self-righteous about SOUTHERN attitudes of Blacks: How can they do this? I have met Northern liberals that have never even interacted in any capacity with Blacks: Went to a major University and met Northerners who never, to that point, met a Black from where they were from....yet were quick to condemn the SOUTH and me! WHAT GIVES????
Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone on this board is a racist. I don't believe that at all, but it was a racially prejudiced remark, or at least in my view it was.
So, could it be that those black voters are also Christian and they are opposed to the thinking of the leftist demonrat who would swamp their nation with cheap hispanic labour who might be aligned to their viewsQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'm sure the Christian element is there, but just as likely is the historic low in black unemployment. We underestimate what a blessing it is to live in this economy. Good GDP growth AND low inflation is remarkable.Quote:
So, could it be that those black voters are also Christian and they are opposed to the thinking of the leftist demonrat who would swamp their nation with cheap hispanic labour who might be aligned to their views
Or possibly the dem candidates themselves may be scary to some blacks. No telling but a bump in the polls is a bump in the polls. Hmm maybe black evangelical are for the dufus, or some are as racists as whites. Makes those bedfellows even stranger doesn't it?
"So, while it might not be 36 percent, 14-21 percent is a massive improvement from Trump’s meager eight percent draw in the 2016 election."
Yeah. If they are for Trump, then they surely must racists. What a strange world you live in.
People are people.....and MOST people want to lead themselves in a democratic society, NOT BE LED.....There are outstanding people of all races and extreme low lifes of all races.....I am all about the U.S. taking an Australian approach: You don't even identify RACE AT ALL....if we could ever get to that point in the U.S., it would be a great leap forward!
It does get old as hell being lumped-in and identified as "the racist, White, Southerners": I just don't identify with that.
You pretty well said it, Vac.
Oh stop twisting words to make yourself some kind of misunderstood victim. Just because you have said a few times you personally don't know any racists doesn't mean they don't exist, or didn't voted for the dufus. That's all I said was that they exist and DID vote for the dufus. If you cannot even acknowledge such people do exist, then you will never understand why it's an insult to say blacks unemployment is as low as it's ever been and they should be grateful to the dufus for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
One has to wonder if you did meet a racists what would you do about it besides hold your nose and vote for them any way. I'm the one who lives in a strange world? I find it very strange you cannot acknowledge the existence of those that hate based on race.
Well somebody is giving you a bad name and I wonder who that might be? Might have something to do with that war of northern aggression stuff you were taught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
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People are people.....and MOST people want to lead themselves in a democratic society, NOT BE LED.....There are outstanding people of all races and extreme low lifes of all races.....I am all about the U.S. taking an Australian approach: You don't even identify RACE AT ALL....if we could ever get to that point in the U.S., it would be a great leap forward!
It does get old as hell being lumped-in and identified as "the racist, White, Southerners":I just don't identify with that.
Tal, I looked at your response to vac who was trying to undo this race debate and what was your response? You made one of those vailed remarks that went straight back to the long held racial issues.Quote:
Well somebody is giving you a bad name and I wonder who that might be? Might have something to do with that war of northern aggression stuff you were taught.
Yeah so what's your point? You can't undo the history of racial unrest by ignoring it, or holding onto the entitled nobility that justified it in the first place. Obviously I don't completely agree that the Aussie way of race relations is a viable one. Forced assimilation to the majority is not my idea of a solution at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Tal has a habit of exposing people to the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Your original statement was, "the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind." I'm glad you have now cleared up your meaning. I would certainly agree that racists do exist. Many of them voted for Trump, and many others voted for Obama and Clinton. Some are repubs, and others are proudly democrats.Quote:
That's all I said was that they exist and DID vote for the dufus
What is with the forced assimilation nonsense, we have a multiracial society but we don't emphasise our differences, ok you have some more definite issues of colour, but this is because you didn't deal with the issues, and you think you have to point out the differences using two words where one will do. maybe it is because we have a hotter climate and we need to keep our mouths shut to keep out the insects and conserve moisture. Tell us what your solution is Tal, we all want to hear this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well said. Much of our problem lies in the fact that politicians have figured out how to manipulate our differences to their advantage.Quote:
What is with the forced assimilation nonsense, we have a multiracial society but we don't emphasise our differences, ok you have some more definite issues of colour, but this is because you didn't deal with the issues, and you think you have to point out the differences using two words where one will do
Yes you did distort my intention and made this about YOU, but worse you throw out the statement that the racists supported Obama and Clinton, and that's your MO, throw those two in the mix to lessen the blasts against the dufus, like everybody does it. The difference though is night and day, since the dufus openly courted the racist vote from day one, and still does. Morever he has a history of racist behavior, and that doesn't hurt his credibility with them not one bit. Like what would a racist gain from supporting HC or Obama? This should be good.
In truth I must say the dufus will lie, cheat, and steal from anybody, and everybody, because his whole hustle is about what he gains from it. Putting race aside for a moment, let me ask what blaming Ukraine for 2016 election interference in collusion with the dems helps whom? If you said Vlad and the dufus go to the head of the class.
LOL, you can explain and correct me about your multicultural society dominated heavily by ONE culture, as well as those other issues you reference whatever the heck that means. My solution is very simple Clete and that's just treat others as you want to be treated and be willing to listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
There is a lot of truth in that JL. Makes you wonder how we fall for that okey doke. I suspect hate born from FEAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Actually, you made it about me and many others when you alleged that Trump supporters were racist white evangelicals. As to Obama and Clinton, I'm always the one who has to bring them up since you can't bring yourself to acknowledge even the slightest fault with those two whom you practically worship.Quote:
Yes you did distort my intention and made this about YOU, but worse you throw out the statement that the racists supported Obama and Clinton, and that's your MO, throw those two in the mix to lessen the blasts against the dufus, like everybody does it. The difference though is night and day, since the dufus openly courted the racist vote from day one, and still does. Morever he has a history of racist behavior, and that doesn't hurt his credibility with them not one bit. Like what would a racist gain from supporting HC or Obama? This should be good.
Trump a racist, or Trump courting racist votes? I'd like to see the evidence for that. While you're looking, remember this quote from Obama. "Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: 'They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.'" Yep. No prejudices to be found there. What a big-hearted guy he was.
Don't forget to mention the guy who profited more than anyone, that person being Hunter Biden, the famous gas, petroleum, and business expert.Quote:
In truth I must say the dufus will lie, cheat, and steal from anybody, and everybody, because his whole hustle is about what he gains from it. Putting race aside for a moment, let me ask what blaming Ukraine for 2016 election interference in collusion with the dems helps whom? If you said Vlad and the dufus go to the head of the class.
Mixed in with a healthy dose of willful ignorance and stupidity.Quote:
I suspect hate born from FEAR.
I alleged no such thing, I said they were a PART of his base supporters. Which is true and accurate. Never said racists were white evangelicals nor white evangelicals were racists. You just drew your own conclusion and were grossly inaccurate of my statement, as well as whom I worship which is neither. They were and are irrelevant to the current discussion on the dufus, his words, and actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Take off your blinders and read just like I do. Plenty of evidence for BOTH statements.Quote:
Trump a racist, or Trump courting racist votes? I'd like to see the evidence for that.
What's illegal about that? Why is he the only board member you want investigated at Burisma? He wasn't the only American either. Nothing but a smear campaign concocted by Rudy and the dufus to get talking points against ole Joe and you righties got manipulated into parroting the dufus line.Quote:
Don't forget to mention the guy who profited more than anyone, that person being Hunter Biden, the famous gas, petroleum, and business expert.
What do you call a guy who parrots the LIES of a LIAR?
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